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Familienoberhauptvogel · Jul 9, 2016

Thinking about tertiary colours for keywords I thought about how a set not messing those up like Planar Chaos but where pretty much everything has them would be interesting.

Like say how would a set play out if all creatures in it had haste.

kirblar · Jul 9, 2016

Won the event, immediately became THE deck to beat- http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=1070627

Familienoberhauptvogel · Jul 9, 2016

Why isn't legacy elves sideboarding a Gladecover Scout or thrun?

Malvolio · Jul 9, 2016

Daedardus said:
What do you guys use for deck boxes? I'm looking for something durable, easy to handle but with a nice aesthetic. Price isn't an issue, decks are more expensive anyway and it's more important to me that it keeps the deck safe.

A bit late, but I picked up one of these and love it:

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It's big, but works great for keeping my two EDH decks protected when traveling. Expensive, but as you said it's worth the extra cost. The value of my EDH decks make me feel very uncomfortable when traveling, but at least with this I feel like they are as secure as possible.

ultron87 · Jul 9, 2016

Familienoberhauptvogel said:
Why isn't legacy elves sideboarding a Gladecover Scout or thrun?

What would those accomplish for the deck?

Supast4r · Jul 9, 2016

OnPoint said:
What? Zombies was tier 2 at best back then. Even when RTR came about with BG zombie support, people played other stuff.

the deck shell was the deck to beat for a long time. It outclassed many decks until the thragtusk/restoration angel synergy caught on.

kirblar · Jul 9, 2016

Per his FB Page, John Avon has a 5-cycle of Acryllic artworks in the block following Kaladesh, the first time he's used them in 14 years. He also specifically says they'll "make a splash."

Zen fetches inc. (Also fits with the spec that Kaladesh is Enemy colored- they seem to like printing fetches in a block where they're not syncing up fully)

Supast4r · Jul 9, 2016

Firemind said:
Huh? In what world were zombies busted? Sounds like a mythical world.

Innistrad-return to ravnica standard (aka the best standard)

Familienoberhauptvogel · Jul 9, 2016

ultron87 said:
What would those accomplish for the deck?

removal heavy decks might just not be able to deal with them and they are fetchable with GSZ meaning 1 is enough.

Crocodile · Jul 9, 2016

kirblar said:
Per his FB Page, John Avon has a 5-cycle of Acryllic artworks in the block following Kaladesh, the first time he's used them in 14 years. He also specifically says they'll "make a splash."

Zen fetches inc. (Also fits with the spec that Kaladesh is Enemy colored- they seem to like printing fetches in a block where they're not syncing up fully)

The impression I have of Kaladesh is basically that of Ravnica but with an Indian twist and stronger steampunk focus. It doesn't seem like the type of plane to have Misty Rainforsets and Arid Mesas? I'm not making an emphatic argument that they aren't there though.

kirblar · Jul 9, 2016

Crocodile said:
The impression I have of Kaladesh is basically that of Ravnica but with an Indian twist and stronger steampunk focus. It doesn't seem like the type of plane to have Misty Rainforsets and Arid Mesa? I'm not making an emphatic argument that they aren't there though.

Fetches appear to be the block immediately after. Spring 2017.

SigmasonicX · Jul 9, 2016

Crocodile said:
The impression I have of Kaladesh is basically that of Ravnica but with an Indian twist and stronger steampunk focus. It doesn't seem like the type of plane to have Misty Rainforsets and Arid Mesas? I'm not making an emphatic argument that they aren't there though.

We saw in Chandra's origin story that there are plenty of forested areas and small villages. Compared to Ravnica and especially Mirrodin, there appear to be a lot more natural areas. Still, we're definitely not getting fetches in Kaladesh with the tangolands still in Standard. Anyway, kirblar was talking about "Barrel" block.

cuc · Jul 9, 2016

cuc said:
I need help recalling an old set. Which set from the 1998-2000 era featured a smoke-like monster in its promotional art? The monster is black and humanoid in general shape, with memorably wavy outlines. I think it's moving its arm to smash its opponent in the art.

Figured that out myself. That's Thorn Elemental, the marquee card of 7th Edition.

And here's some 90s CGI from the 7th Edition tutorial CD-ROM showing THE POWER! of Thorn Elemental.

SigmasonicX · Jul 9, 2016

cuc said:
Figured that out myself. That's Thorn Elemental, the marquee card of 7th Edition.

And here's some 90s CGI from the 7th Edition tutorial CD-ROM showing the power of Thorn Elemental.

I don't think that's how regeneration is supposed to work. (And Rhox isn't in 7th Edition, what's it doing there?)

y2dvd · Jul 9, 2016

HK-47 said:
Except they dont because many of the critical cards are mythics?

It's a slow Saturday and I'm bored.

EMA mythics
Card-price today/price during SOI release

Force of Will-110/80 +30
Mana Crypt-93/166 -73
Karakas-75/155 -80
Jace-70/92 -22
Vampiric Tutor-28/31 -3
Natural Order-26/33 -6
Sneak Attack-26/43 -17
Dack Fayden-20/35 -15
Chrom Mox-15/15 +-0
Maelstrom Wanderer-12/25 -13
Argothian Enchantress-9/14 -5
Necropotence-8/9 -1
Balance-4/1 +3
Worldgorger Dragon-2/3 -1
Sphinx of the Steel Wind-2/1 +1

Most cards saw a decent price drop while maintaining some value. Some saw a few dollar difference. There are two cards with at least $70 dropped price. FoW is a unique beast because it's a demanding 4 of and that new art is sweet, so the price actually increased.

Again, even if the prices didn't drop by much, there are more circulation of these cards now. These cards and most of the modern staples we want reprinted would honestly be too busted to be reprinted in standard. So I'm fine with the master sets for the most part, even if I opened pretty crappy with the MM15 set. ;(

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Tcgplayers' response and changes to the buyouts.
http://store.tcgplayer.com/help/buyoutresponse

Daedardus · Jul 9, 2016

Malvolio said:
A bit late, but I picked up one of these and love it:

It's big, but works great for keeping my two EDH decks protected when traveling. Expensive, but as you said it's worth the extra cost. The value of my EDH decks make me feel very uncomfortable when traveling, but at least with this I feel like they are as secure as possible.

I picked up the smaller one with only one deck compartment, looks really nice from what I can see online. Weird that it's apparently so hard to make decent deck boxes, the quality control of Ultra Pro seems really bad.

ultron87 · Jul 9, 2016

Familienoberhauptvogel said:
removal heavy decks might just not be able to deal with them and they are fetchable with GSZ meaning 1 is enough.

Hmm, from what I've seen Elves aren't that worried about the 1 to 1 removal decks. They can just overwhelm them by going wide or comboing off. It's the sweepers or repeatable removal (Jitte, Lavamancer, Darkblast etc) that gives them problems. And having just one body that sticks around, but doesn't contribute to any of the engine, isn't that impactful since they'll just kill the important elves and leave you with a 1/1. Thrun, as a 4/4, could be a little more impactful, but not tussling particularly well with Goyfs and Anglers is a problem. And he's just so expensive.

charlequin · Jul 9, 2016

kirblar said:
Per his FB Page, John Avon has a 5-cycle of Acryllic artworks in the block following Kaladesh, the first time he's used them in 14 years. He also specifically says they'll "make a splash."

Zen fetches inc. (Also fits with the spec that Kaladesh is Enemy colored- they seem to like printing fetches in a block where they're not syncing up fully)

The enemy fetches thing seems pretty likely (I doubt he'd be able to make that comment all that well about a new land cycle, and there's no existing cycle of 5 this would apply to more) but I still think the enemy color spec on Kaladesh is silly.

Malvolio · Jul 9, 2016

Daedardus said:
I picked up the smaller one with only one deck compartment, looks really nice from what I can see online. Weird that it's apparently so hard to make decent deck boxes, the quality control of Ultra Pro seems really bad.

Indeed, the quality is very high. Great texture on the outside for grip and the magnetic closure is very secure. Inside has a soft suede-like material that might be a bit unnecessary, but really adds to the high end feel. You made a great choice.

kirblar · Jul 9, 2016

charlequin said:
The enemy fetches thing seems pretty likely (I doubt he'd be able to make that comment all that well about a new land cycle, and there's no existing cycle of 5 this would apply to more) but I still think the enemy color spec on Kaladesh is silly.

They established U/R as a strong color focus/pair w/ Thopters already, and given we've had a grand total of Zero enemy-color blocks, it's a box they've desperately needed to check for a long time.

Also, MaRo says it's really good, which means it probably isn't using the 10 Equal Pairs horseshit MM1 approach.

Crocodile · Jul 9, 2016

I missed the "block following Kaladesh" in the speculation. Carry on

kirblar said:
They established U/R as a strong color focus/pair w/ Thopters already, and given we've had a grand total of Zero enemy-color blocks, it's a box they've desperately needed to check for a long time.

Also, MaRo says it's really good, which means it probably isn't using the 10 Equal Pairs horseshit MM1 approach.

Why would that influence Maro's thinking on what is and isn't good? I'm not convinced he shares your distaste for sets/blocks that try to balance all 10 color pairs with rigid archetypes. Unless he's said so somewhere?

Santiako · Jul 9, 2016

So I've been doing some cockatrice goldfishing and Emerge seems absurdly good. Like, really really busted.

blindrocket · Jul 9, 2016

Did CVM still not win anything, because I see he still has that beard. Or did he win and just decided to keep it. lol

kirblar · Jul 9, 2016

Crocodile said:
Why would that influence Maro's thinking on what is and isn't good? I'm not convinced he shares your distaste for sets/blocks that try to balance all 10 color pairs with rigid archetypes. Unless he's said so somewhere?

I'm saying that if he thinks it's that good, it's unlikely they have the block set up that way (as only Theros actually succeeded doing it this way.)

Familienoberhauptvogel · Jul 9, 2016

ultron87 said:
Hmm, from what I've seen Elves aren't that worried about the 1 to 1 removal decks. They can just overwhelm them by going wide or comboing off. It's the sweepers or repeatable removal (Jitte, Lavamancer, Darkblast etc) that gives them problems. And having just one body that sticks around, but doesn't contribute to any of the engine, isn't that impactful since they'll just kill the important elves and leave you with a 1/1. Thrun, as a 4/4, could be a little more impactful, but not tussling particularly well with Goyfs and Anglers is a problem. And he's just so expensive.

Well I thought of it after reed got his board tucked by terminus and scrambled for anything getting those final 2 health down off his opponent. He cast GSZ and the best he could get was elvish mystic. The 1/1 could get traded by snapcaster is an issue so thrun might be the next best thing

Schryver · Jul 9, 2016

Santiako said:
So I've been doing some cockatrice goldfishing and Emerge seems absurdly good. Like, really really busted.

Yeah that's what Gerry Thompson and the guys were saying on the GAM podcast the other day. Could be OP

kirblar · Jul 9, 2016

Card to grab a set of: Tallowisp

Big Icarus · Jul 9, 2016

kirblar said:
They established U/R as a strong color focus/pair w/ Thopters already, and given we've had a grand total of Zero enemy-color blocks, it's a box they've desperately needed to check for a long time.

Also, MaRo says it's really good, which means it probably isn't using the 10 Equal Pairs horseshit MM1 approach.

We're also losing the Painlands with the release of Kaladesh. Which would leave enemy colored decks in Standard with just two land cycles for fixing, and they'll need to finish the cycle of battle-lands somewhere. The recent push that UR spellslinger support, WR equipment matters effects, and WB lifegain archetype cards have seen in the past two blocks seems more than coincidental to me.

kirblar · Jul 9, 2016

Big Icarus said:
We're also losing the Painlands with the release of Kaladesh. Which would leave enemy colored decks in Standard with just two land cycles for fixing, and they'll need to finish the cycle of battle-lands somewhere. The recent push that UR spellslinger support, WR equipment matters effects, and WB lifegain archetype cards have seen in the past two blocks seems more than coincidental to me.

I expect the Fastlands to get finished.

Santiako · Jul 9, 2016

Maybe they'll finish the SOI showland cycle, everyone loves them.

Big Icarus · Jul 9, 2016

kirblar said:
I expect the Fastlands to get finished.

That would probably be better than having enemy color dual lands along with enemy color fetches in Standard. It might be more likely that they would want to just finish the Battleland cycle though, but I can can see them going with Fastlands to avoid making the exact same mistakes they just made with fetches in Standard. Fastlands would also be a good way to entice older players to buy packs if this new exotic setting doesn't do anything for them. Just like the fetches did for Tarkir.

kirblar · Jul 9, 2016

Santiako said:
Maybe they'll finish the SOI showland cycle, everyone loves them.

Having to finish that and the doublecheck lands is something they're going to be grimacing about in the future.

Santiako · Jul 9, 2016

kirblar said:
Having to finish that and the doublecheck lands is something they're going to be grimacing about in the future.

Hopefully they'll quietly forget about them, such a garbage cycle lol

kirblar · Jul 9, 2016

Santiako said:
Hopefully they'll quietly forget about them, such a garbage cycle lol

The doublechecks have to be done for Commander purposes and such. They're fringe playable in Legacy/Modern too.

Infinite Stars · Jul 9, 2016

Santiako said:
So I've been doing some cockatrice goldfishing and Emerge seems absurdly good. Like, really really busted.

Honestly, I'm not that surprised. Every time that I can think of where Wizards tried to reduce the cost of a card(Delve, P!Mana,Affinity, the Shoal cycle, Emerge if it is as busted as you say) without a cap on the reducing of cost(Whatever the new Delirium Draw 3 spell is), there's always those 2-4 cards with the mechanic that slip through and become super busted(Cruise, Dig, Pod, Mental Misstep).

Hero · Jul 9, 2016

kirblar said:
Card to grab a set of: Tallowisp

Can I ask why? Wasn't too apparent what this goes in.

Santiako · Jul 9, 2016

kirblar said:
The doublechecks have to be done for Commander purposes and such. They're fringe playable in Legacy/Modern too.

Those are fine, I was just refering to the SOI lands.

Angry Grimace · Jul 9, 2016

kirblar said:
Per his FB Page, John Avon has a 5-cycle of Acryllic artworks in the block following Kaladesh, the first time he's used them in 14 years. He also specifically says they'll "make a splash."

Zen fetches inc. (Also fits with the spec that Kaladesh is Enemy colored- they seem to like printing fetches in a block where they're not syncing up fully)

Enemy colored untapped lands are going to be in Kaladesh though. They basically have to be or there would be more allied duals than enemy duals. I really want the goddamn Enemy Scarsfastlands. It's idiotic they don't exist in Modern.

kirblar · Jul 9, 2016

Hero said:
Can I ask why? Wasn't too apparent what this goes in.

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Enemy colored untapped lands are going to be in Kaladesh though. They basically have to be or there would be more allied duals than enemy duals. I really want the goddamn Enemy Scarsfastlands. It's idiotic they don't exist in Modern.

It feels like it basically has to be them up next.

Hero · Jul 9, 2016

kirblar said:
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It feels like it basically has to be them up next.

Hmmmm, we almost have a stew going on here. What kind of auras would this deck play?

"God's Beard!" · Jul 9, 2016

Messing with BW control and a slightly comical first opening hand:

Santiako · Jul 9, 2016

The Eldritch Moon PrePreRelease is starting in LoadingReadyRun's twitch page.

Firemind · Jul 9, 2016

Off-color Llanowar Wastes Kappa

PS. They should finish the Horizon Canopy cycle.

"God's Beard!" · Jul 9, 2016

I've been playing the Reveler in UR Delver and it's definitely good, but it's not crazy. Sometimes it gets awkward with your snapcasters and managing the spells in your graveyard so it doesn't cost 5 mana.

Firemind said:
Off-color Llanowar Wastes Kappa

Reality Smasher and Warping Wail.

Firemind · Jul 9, 2016

you already have 8

i consider it off color

"God's Beard!" · Jul 9, 2016

Firemind said:
you already have 8

i consider it off color

I like 12 so I warping wail people's read the bones.

Ashodin · Jul 9, 2016

Fun watching the cards be opened!!

CANT WAIT FOR NEXT WEEKEND

Santiako · Jul 9, 2016

Marshall's pool is insane lol

Ashodin · Jul 9, 2016

Santiako said:
Marshall's pool is insane lol

Black red looks nuts

Also dat Emrakul

Santiako · Jul 9, 2016

Ashodin said:
Black red looks nuts

Also dat Emrakul

He also has Geier reach bandit and several Eldrazi Werewolves, which is a crazy good combo.

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