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Media Create Sales: Dec 21 - 27, 2009
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jeremy1456
Junior Member
test_account said:
I think (I could definitely be wrong on this one) that the Saturn reached sales of over 6 million in Japan.
test_account
XP-39C²
Ah, i totally forgot about the Saturn :\ I dont know much that it sold though, but i wouldnt be that much surprised if it sold something around 6 million units in Japan.jeremy1456 said:
LiquidMetal14 said:
Nintendo and 3rd parties clearly stacked the deck for December betting their software would benefit. Can't really argue with that, though it makes Q1 look even worse. Imagine if RE: DC had actually came out in November as well.
Really? At least 10 strong-selling games in Q1?Nirolak said:
Admittedly, I've been too busy to keep up on all the stuff scheduled to come out for the PS3 in Q1, but I'm having a hard time trying to remember 10 or more big games coming in Q1.
Honest request here - would you mind listing the 10+ big PS3 releases for Q1? (Keep in mind that Wii titles like Wii Sports Resort, Wii Fit Plus, Mario Kart Wii could all possibly sell 100k+ each in Q1, not to mention whatever NSMB will put up. So I would expect important PS3 releases to be able to sell 100k minimum for the quarter, and even then, many titles that sell in the 100k LTD range do next to nothing for hardware.)
If there really are that many important titles coming out, then yeah, it would be hard to imagine the PS3 dropping back below 20k. But if the releases are more in line with what I seem to recall, then I wouldn't be all that surprised to see it drop back to 18k or 19k for a week here or there. But the PS3 did hold up quite nicely following the Slim launch, so if it really has significantly turned the corner, then it could very well hold above the 20k threshold.
Anyway, just to toot my own horn for a moment. This was from last week's thread, before any of the data was known (I have a friend who stays in Japan a couple times a year, and he commented that he couldn't believe how much Nintendo stuff was flying off the shelves - so I guess it wasn't really a gut feeling after all
):Dalthien said:
Wii hardware doubled the PS3.
DS hardware doubled the PSP.
Wii with 4 of Top 10 and 17 of Top 50 software.
DS with 5 of Top 10 and 20 of Top 50 software.
Yeah, I'd say Nintendo had a MONSTER week with both hardware and software.
The_lascar
Member
Total hardware sales for the week 52 :
2005: 632 247
2006: 472 860
2007: 619 255
2008: 568 277
2009: 658 986
2005: 632 247
2006: 472 860
2007: 619 255
2008: 568 277
2009: 658 986
distantmantra
Member
Dalthien said:
I didn't make the claim, but off the top of my head here's six big titles coming in Q1.
Heavy Rain
Hokuto Musou
Ryu ga Gotoku 4
Star Ocean 4 International
Ar Tonelico 3
End of Eternity
That's not including stuff like Last Rebellion, RE5: Alternate Edition, No More Heroes, Arkham Asylum, etc.
Yeah, looks like I may end up being wrong. Oh well, that's what I get for sticking my neck out and entering GAF's predicta-thon.
If it does indeed prove incorrect, I'll just gloss over this, and continue to make Playstation-friendly predictions until I am correct. At which point I will have proven that the Wii really was a fad after all.
If it does indeed prove incorrect, I'll just gloss over this, and continue to make Playstation-friendly predictions until I am correct. At which point I will have proven that the Wii really was a fad after all.
I didn't say strong selling exactly. I said 10 games people would want to buy.Dalthien said:
Like for example, even if Ar Tonelico 3 sells not that great, it has a pretty dedicated fanbase that I could see giving the system a 2k-5k bump during its launch week, which for the Q1 weeks, isn't a bad bump by any means.
But as to listing them:
100k+:
-Gran Turismo 5 (Assuming it isn't delayed again)
-Yakuza 4
-Hokuto Musou
-End of Eternity
-Star Ocean 4
Perhaps Sub 100k, But Can Still Sell To Niche Audience Bumps:
-Resident Evil 5: Alternative Edition
-Ar Tonelico 3
And if the Sega leak is still true, the motion controller is targeted for March in Japan.
So perhaps I exaggerated a bit there, but still, this line-up seems strong enough to hold an average baseline of at least 20k to me. I could be wrong though.
Fear not, your prediction was at least plausible, unlike Pachter's frequent notions that Blu-Ray will lead the PS3 to victory.Opiate said:
Nirolak said:
No, I don't think you'll end up wrong at all. PS3 has enough of an interesting back catalog and a decent price now, too, to help move a good number of systems even in a week with no new releases. I think we're a long way from when it would sell badly, especially considering the relatively low installed base means there is a lot of room to grow.
Nirolak said:
You could definitely end up being right, but I don't think we can tell anything for sure at this point. Look at last years Wii numbers if you want to see how quickly things can change once the holidays are over.
jeremy1456
Junior Member
swerve said:
We can see how well the back catalogue is selling by taking a look at the just released top 50.
SlipperySlope
Banned
Frillen said:
I think it'll go into the double digits by the summer (I believe Sony is going to pull the plug on it soon).
Went the way of the Virtual Boy. Both a disaster, but for different reasons.
A Twisty Fluken
Member
SlipperySlope said:
How do you "pull the plug" on the go at this point? I'd assume at this rate, their initial shipment is going to last for a few
hundred
Well, here's the thing that really gets me about this.schuelma said:
Let's pretend that the PS3 does go sub 20k, with weekly baselines around 15-19k, despite having around 7-ish mid to upper tier titles spread across all three months of Q1.
What does this say about the PS3? If 7-ish mid to upper tier titles including games such as Gran Turismo 5, Hokuto Musou, and Yakuza 4 can't keep the system at a baseline of 20k or higher, what really can? Is there just no one really left in the traditional home console audience to sell to? Has the PS3 become intricately linked the seasons, to the point where having an impressive line-up of titles is far less important than whether it is Spring or Fall?
I'm not saying it is impossible for the PS3 to have less than a 20k baseline, but I feel it raises some very large questions if it does.
Nirolak said:
If that happens, I don't get what would be so unbelievably shocking about that.
For almost 3 years the PS3's baseline was 10K.
For two years the Wii's general baseline was around 40-50K and dropped to 15K last Spring.
The PS3 has a solid Q1 lineup, but I don't see one title on that list that would have any sustained positive effect on PS3 hardware besides maybe GT5. I'll go one step further and say that NSMB Wii will sell more copies in Q1 than any game on that list and do it quite comfortably. EDIT- Probably not GT5.
SlipperySlope
Banned
A Twisty Fluken said:
Dig a hole? Eh, it's happened before
Well, I don't think it would shocking, but I think it would be a sign of home consoles tending to fall apart even more than I thought they had this generation.schuelma said:
If putting them to this price level with a line-up like this can't help them much, I can't really see what they could do to come close to the baseline of say, what the PSP tends to average during non-Monster Hunter Springs.
SlipperySlope
Banned
schuelma said:
How much was the PS2 settling at at this point in its life?
SuperSonic1305
Member
Seems like Japan by itself would cut 360's worldwide lead completely in a few years.
Well, you have to remember though that the 360 is still growing the gap between itself and the PS3 in the U.S. market.SuperSonic1305 said:
Not as dramatically as the PS3 gained on the 360 in Japan this year, but this was still one of the PS3's strongest years in both markets, especially since they were able to do a system redesign and a $100 price cut while Microsoft sadly phoned in the entire year.
Finally some numbers. Thanks.
One week left for our hardware prediction and:
Wii - 649,497
PS3 - 480,473
Kurosaki Ichigo, if possible, could you say how many people are already off the Wii total? (I know I am Haha.) And with at least 150k coming this week, totalizing 800,000, I wonder if anyone bet that high.
And a happy new sales-age year, hopefully with a lot of
numbers for us.
One week left for our hardware prediction and:
Wii - 649,497
PS3 - 480,473
Kurosaki Ichigo, if possible, could you say how many people are already off the Wii total? (I know I am Haha.) And with at least 150k coming this week, totalizing 800,000, I wonder if anyone bet that high.
And a happy new sales-age year, hopefully with a lot of
leaks
BlackNMild2k1
Member
jeremy1456 said:
Is anyone gonna post the Top 50?
Nirolak said:Though it'd be kind of sad also that Nintendo could release one game in December then never have to try for the entire quarter.
I predict that New Super Mario Bros. Wii will sell more copies in the 1Q 2010 than the total sales of the Wii games released in that quarter.
Thanks.Nirolak said:
Yeah, those are pretty much the games I was thinking of. When you said 'at least' 10 games for Q1, I thought that you meant there were 12-14 big games coming in Q1. So needless to say, the statement caught me a bit off guard.
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised to see the PS3 hold above 20k for all of Q1. It depends how long the price cut takes to work through the system. Will 25k - 30k be the new norm this year? Or will the boost from the price cut wear off sometime over the next few months? I really can't say.
But I also wouldn't be all that surprised to see the PS3 fall back below 20k for some weeks. Keep in mind that 20k is not a bad number. It's not a particularly good number, but it isn't a bad number either. Both the PSP and Wii had stretches of several weeks below 20k this year, and yet both systems will still top 2 million units for the year. Certainly not numbers to celebrate for either system, but not horrible numbers either.
Now if the PS3 falls back below 15k per week, then it is safe to say that the PS3 used up most of the goodwill that it gained from the Slim, but falling below 20k for a couple weeks during a slow time of year wouldn't be all that horrible.
I'm curious to see what kind of effect the Sony wands have on the sales charts.Nirolak said:
nextgeneration
Member
Effect nsmb has had on wii sales in 2009 vs 2008. Nsmb was released on 12/3/09.
wii in 2008
12/1 - 12/28 = 414,355
wii in 2009
11/30 - 12/27 = 649,497
56.75% increase in the same 4 weeks.
wii in 2008
12/1 - 12/28 = 414,355
wii in 2009
11/30 - 12/27 = 649,497
56.75% increase in the same 4 weeks.
Azelover
Titanic was called the Ship of Dreams, and it was. It really was.
The PS3 basically got a relaunch with the Slim in 2009.
I think it's amazing Nintendo managed to win 2009 with nothing outside of colors and bundles(and software), this year they should be able to do a small refresh to the system. I'd be surprised if they didn't.
I think it's amazing Nintendo managed to win 2009 with nothing outside of colors and bundles(and software), this year they should be able to do a small refresh to the system. I'd be surprised if they didn't.
Hero of Legend
Member
What really amazes me, is that the Wii's weekly HW sales have actually gone UP every week since NSMBW's launch:
Nov 30 - Dec 6: 106.555
Dec 6 - Dec 13: 135.898
Dec 14 - Dec 20: 191.915
Dec 21 - Dec 27: 215,129
JESUS, just how high can it go?! :O
Nov 30 - Dec 6: 106.555
Dec 6 - Dec 13: 135.898
Dec 14 - Dec 20: 191.915
Dec 21 - Dec 27: 215,129
JESUS, just how high can it go?! :O
Second said:I just hope it won't affect games. I'm still waiting for Lost Odyssey 2.
Mistwalker hasn't announced anything for the X360 for two years or so...
What is Mistwalker going to do without MS support? Does MS still want to keep throwing money at Mistwalker just to fight the good fight in Japan? They don't really need Mistwalker for NA or Europe, they've got a bunch of WRPGs, both exclusive and multiplatform.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
If current trends continue...Hero of Legend said:
There was a new commercial last month, actually. I'm pretty sure they're not going to "abandon" Japan, as they did that with the first Xbox and it really screwed up their image for the 360 launch, so they're probably keen to avoid that for the future. I'd assume they are going to come up with a fresh push alongside Natal launch. They're pretty screwed on the software exclusives front, though, especially now PS3 has actually started to sell proper numbers.Second said:
01. / 02. [WII] New Super Mario Bros. Wii (Nintendo) - 506.453 / 2.440.280 (-11%)
02. / 00. [NDS] The Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks (Nintendo) - 291.496 / NEW
03. / 03. [NDS] Friend Collection (Nintendo) - 226.920 / 2.316.867 (+37%)
04. / 01. [PS3] Final Fantasy XIII (Square Enix) - 188.511 / 1.690.475 (-87%)
05. / 04. [NDS] Pokemon Heart Gold / Soul Silver (Pokemon Co.) - 124.704 / 3.464.577 (+12%)
06. / 05. [WII] Wii Fit Plus (Nintendo) - 113.909 / 1.315.167 (+23%)
07. / 06. [NDS] Inazuma Eleven 2: Threat of the Invaders - Fire / Blizzard (Level 5) - 99.175 / 908.000 (+40%)
08. / 11. [WII] Wii Sports Resort (Nintendo) - 72.355 / 1.568.000
09. / 12. [WII] Taiko Drum Master Wii 2 (Namco Bandai) - 63.845 / 200.000
10. / 08. [NDS] Professor Layton and the Flute of Malevolent Destiny (Level 5) - 63.549 / 559.000 (+17%)
11. / 07. [WII] PokePark Wii: Picachu's Great Adventure (Pokemon Co.)
12. / 09. [PSP] Phantasy Star Portable 2 (Sega)
13. / 14. [NDS] Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games (Nintendo)
14. / 16. [NDS] New Super Mario Bros. (Nintendo)
15. / 13. [NDS] Pen 1 Grand Prix: A Penguin's Trouble Special (Konami)
16. / 18. [PSP] World Soccer Winning Eleven 2010 (Konami)
17. / 24. [WII] Mario Kart Wii (Nintendo)
18. / 27. [WII] Momotaro Railway 2010: Sengoku Ishin no Hero Daishuugou! no Maki (Hudson)
19. / 20. [WII] Samurai Warriors 3 (Koei)
20. / 15. [PSP] Mobile Suit Gundam: Gundam Vs. Gundam Next Plus (Namco Bandai)
21. / 17. [PSP] Naruto: Shippuden Narutimate Accelerator 3 (Namco Bandai)
22. / 22. [NDS] Powerful Pro-Kun Pocket 12 (Konami)
23. / 25. [NDS] Tamagotchi no Narikiri Channel (Namco Bandai)
24. / 19. [PS3] Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (Square Enix)
25. / 28. [WII] Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games (Nintendo)
26. / 35. [NDS] Doraemon Baseball 2: Nettou Ultra Stadium (Namco Bandai)
27. / 00. [PSP] Monster Hunter Freedom Unite (PSP the Best Reprint) (Capcom)
28. / 32. [NDS] Dragon Quest IX: Sentinels of the Starry Skies (Square Enix)
29. / 00. [PS2] Little Busters! Converted Edition (Prototype)
30. / 30. [NDS] Metal Fight Beyblade: Bakutan Cyber Pegasus (Hudson)
31. / 10. [PSP] Queen's Blade: Spiral Chaos (Namco Bandai)
32. / 36. [NDS] Mario Kart DS (Nintendo)
33. / 33. [NDS] Gokujou!! Mecha Mote Iinchou: MM Town de Miracle Change (Konami)
34. / 00. [PSP] Assassin's Creed: Bloodlines (Ubisoft)
35. / 39. [WII] Karaoke Joysound Wii DX (Hudson)
36. / 34. [WII] Kamen Rider: Climax Heroes W (Namco Bandai)
37. / 00. [PSP] Lucky Star: Net Idol Meister (Kadokawa Shoten)
38. / 31. [PS3] World Soccer Winning Eleven 2010 (Konami)
39. / 21. [WII] Tales of Graces (Namco Bandai)
40. / 29. [PS2] World Soccer Winning Eleven 2010 (Konami)
41. / 23. [NDS] Stitch! DS Rhythm and Ohana Adventure (Disney Interactive)
42. / 38. [NDS] Cooking Mama 3 (Taito Corporation)
43. / 45. [NDS] Fresh PreCure! Asobi Collection (Namco Bandai)
44. / 47. [WII] Wii Sports (Nintendo)
45. / 43. [WII] World Soccer Winning Eleven 2010 (Konami)
46. / 37. [NDS] Monster Busters (Namco Bandai)
47. / 46. [WII] Animal Crossing: City Folk (Nintendo)
48. / 00. [WII] Super Smash Bros. Brawl (Nintendo)
49. / 00. [NDS] Taiko Drum Master DS: The 7 Island Adventure (Namco Bandai)
50. / 00. [WII] Wii Play (Nintendo)
00. / 00. [ALL] Weekly Software Sales (All Publishers) - 3.267.504 / 66.132.466 (-17%)
NDS - 20
WII - 17
PSP - 8
PS3 - 3
PS2 - 2
360 - 0
HARDWARE
Spirits Tracks sellthrough: 47,11%
02. / 00. [NDS] The Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks (Nintendo) - 291.496 / NEW
03. / 03. [NDS] Friend Collection (Nintendo) - 226.920 / 2.316.867 (+37%)
04. / 01. [PS3] Final Fantasy XIII (Square Enix) - 188.511 / 1.690.475 (-87%)
05. / 04. [NDS] Pokemon Heart Gold / Soul Silver (Pokemon Co.) - 124.704 / 3.464.577 (+12%)
06. / 05. [WII] Wii Fit Plus (Nintendo) - 113.909 / 1.315.167 (+23%)
07. / 06. [NDS] Inazuma Eleven 2: Threat of the Invaders - Fire / Blizzard (Level 5) - 99.175 / 908.000 (+40%)
08. / 11. [WII] Wii Sports Resort (Nintendo) - 72.355 / 1.568.000
09. / 12. [WII] Taiko Drum Master Wii 2 (Namco Bandai) - 63.845 / 200.000
10. / 08. [NDS] Professor Layton and the Flute of Malevolent Destiny (Level 5) - 63.549 / 559.000 (+17%)
11. / 07. [WII] PokePark Wii: Picachu's Great Adventure (Pokemon Co.)
12. / 09. [PSP] Phantasy Star Portable 2 (Sega)
13. / 14. [NDS] Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games (Nintendo)
14. / 16. [NDS] New Super Mario Bros. (Nintendo)
15. / 13. [NDS] Pen 1 Grand Prix: A Penguin's Trouble Special (Konami)
16. / 18. [PSP] World Soccer Winning Eleven 2010 (Konami)
17. / 24. [WII] Mario Kart Wii (Nintendo)
18. / 27. [WII] Momotaro Railway 2010: Sengoku Ishin no Hero Daishuugou! no Maki (Hudson)
19. / 20. [WII] Samurai Warriors 3 (Koei)
20. / 15. [PSP] Mobile Suit Gundam: Gundam Vs. Gundam Next Plus (Namco Bandai)
21. / 17. [PSP] Naruto: Shippuden Narutimate Accelerator 3 (Namco Bandai)
22. / 22. [NDS] Powerful Pro-Kun Pocket 12 (Konami)
23. / 25. [NDS] Tamagotchi no Narikiri Channel (Namco Bandai)
24. / 19. [PS3] Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (Square Enix)
25. / 28. [WII] Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games (Nintendo)
26. / 35. [NDS] Doraemon Baseball 2: Nettou Ultra Stadium (Namco Bandai)
27. / 00. [PSP] Monster Hunter Freedom Unite (PSP the Best Reprint) (Capcom)
28. / 32. [NDS] Dragon Quest IX: Sentinels of the Starry Skies (Square Enix)
29. / 00. [PS2] Little Busters! Converted Edition (Prototype)
30. / 30. [NDS] Metal Fight Beyblade: Bakutan Cyber Pegasus (Hudson)
31. / 10. [PSP] Queen's Blade: Spiral Chaos (Namco Bandai)
32. / 36. [NDS] Mario Kart DS (Nintendo)
33. / 33. [NDS] Gokujou!! Mecha Mote Iinchou: MM Town de Miracle Change (Konami)
34. / 00. [PSP] Assassin's Creed: Bloodlines (Ubisoft)
35. / 39. [WII] Karaoke Joysound Wii DX (Hudson)
36. / 34. [WII] Kamen Rider: Climax Heroes W (Namco Bandai)
37. / 00. [PSP] Lucky Star: Net Idol Meister (Kadokawa Shoten)
38. / 31. [PS3] World Soccer Winning Eleven 2010 (Konami)
39. / 21. [WII] Tales of Graces (Namco Bandai)
40. / 29. [PS2] World Soccer Winning Eleven 2010 (Konami)
41. / 23. [NDS] Stitch! DS Rhythm and Ohana Adventure (Disney Interactive)
42. / 38. [NDS] Cooking Mama 3 (Taito Corporation)
43. / 45. [NDS] Fresh PreCure! Asobi Collection (Namco Bandai)
44. / 47. [WII] Wii Sports (Nintendo)
45. / 43. [WII] World Soccer Winning Eleven 2010 (Konami)
46. / 37. [NDS] Monster Busters (Namco Bandai)
47. / 46. [WII] Animal Crossing: City Folk (Nintendo)
48. / 00. [WII] Super Smash Bros. Brawl (Nintendo)
49. / 00. [NDS] Taiko Drum Master DS: The 7 Island Adventure (Namco Bandai)
50. / 00. [WII] Wii Play (Nintendo)
00. / 00. [ALL] Weekly Software Sales (All Publishers) - 3.267.504 / 66.132.466 (-17%)
NDS - 20
WII - 17
PSP - 8
PS3 - 3
PS2 - 2
360 - 0
HARDWARE
Code:
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|System | This Week | Last Week | YTD | LTD |
------------------------------------------------------------------
| WII | 215.129 | 191.915 | 1.962.367 | 9.441.344 |
| NDS | 213.109 | 183.347 | 3.978.953 | 29.098.588 |
| PS3 | 110.519 | 237.086 | 1.764.531 | 4.386.999 |
| PSP | 109.993 | 82.454 | 2.248.171 | 13.606.274 |
| 360 | 6.489 | 8.965 | 373.357 | 1.202.794 |
| PS2 | 3.747 | 2.982 | 206.625 | 21.606.154 |
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| DSi | 113.984 | 95.227 | 3.015.126 | 4.246.485 |
| DSiLL | 81.430 | 75.241 | 436.264 | 436.264 |
| DSL | 17.695 | 11.879 | 527.563 | 17.830.368 |
------------------------------------------------------------------
| PSP | 105.801 | 79.194 | 2.176.319 | 13.534.422 |
| PSPgo | 4.192 | 3.260 | 71.852 | 71.852 |
------------------------------------------------------------------Spirits Tracks sellthrough: 47,11%
Brofist
Member
schuelma said:
I don't think any one of the Q1 titles is necessarily a big system seller on it's own, but having a steady stream of titles can't be anything but positive. Not trying to make a comparison but the PS2 didn't have huge system pushing titles every week, it was the steady flow of titles that sold the system.
On a separate note I went to a couple stores today, was looking to pick up a blue Wiimote. Wii sections looked like they were picked clean by vultures. No systems, controllers of any color. Most games were gone too, except for MH3, and ToG. Plenty of those for sale
Weekly report from congmnet shows that there was big supply problem for NSMBW last week (like anecdotal reports were suggesting). Maybe there is a big drop this week but assuming there was indeed that big of a shortage next week should be very big too and it won't be the usual week 1>>week 2 of every year.
Don't underestimate Zelda legs and the upcoming huge week 1.Nirolak said:
Michan said:Week four of Mario domination.
Week 3:Week 2:
Week 1:
Is there something equivalent for the Zelda franchise? would love to see that.
I wish Nintendo would do the NSMBWii treatment to Zelda (2D overworld + dungeons, with some Four swords gameplay in the mix), alongside the motion+ 3D Zelda.