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Xbox One specs from Hot Chips session (8GB Flash, 1.31TFlops, 204GB/s peak BW)
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I looked for that thread. What's the real name of the thread?
Yeah, I get fed up with the PS4 holding PCs back
I say that in Jest, I don't care...exclusives are worth buying an X1 and PS4
RoadHazard
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If you're a publisher releasing a game on these platforms, that game will be competing with other games on the same platform, not the same game for the other platform. So why wouldn't you want to ensure that both versions look as good as they possibly can? Making sure they do means each version will be hold up better against the other games available for each console. Purposefully holding the PS4 version back for "parity", to make XBO-only owners happy that their version isn't inferior or whatever, would only hurt the PS4's version's chances against other titles on the platform. It would probably also make PS4-only owners annoyed that their version is being gimped for no good reason, and you might lose a bunch of sales of that version without gaining anything. How is that a better scenario for anyone but Microsoft?
On the PS4 you can, which was his point. People were saying the PS4 has no internal flash memory, which it likely does (probably has to).
Kun Aguero
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Pre-order cancelled.
That's what happens when you combine PR fluff with ill-informed assumptions. Suddenly all of the PS4's extra GPU power is being gobbled up by audio processing. -_-
inpHilltr8r
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8GB of flash is going to be for the OS(s) and system apps. U be crazy to use ROM these days. 4/4 split safe/update makes it hard to brick (bet it still happens though).
ConteZero76
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He isn't saying what you are claiming.
velociraptor
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PS4: Bayern Munich (Efficient)
Xbox: Manchester City (Loads of money. Not really effective)
WiiU: Newcastle United
since it was assumed the bone was the weak little sister wouldn't that be the surprise one which is more powerful than previously believed?
He is not saying "one of them is especially more powerful than another" just that one is more powerful than we previously thought
That thing was added to the Bone mainly to handle Kinect audio processing. Noise cancellation and such. But is also useable by devs as well for more than just decompressing/compressing. So in this particular case, it is non-trivial. It isn't some magical thing that brings the bone closer to the ps4, but it is certainly useful.
Depends on what you define as minimal. The difference in processing power here is quite a bit larger than it was on PS3/360 and can be compared more directly due to the architecture similarities.
What IS he saying?
idrinkalone
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So ps4: Budweiser
Xbox: bud light
Wii: Milwaukees best light
Xbox: bud light
Wii: Milwaukees best light
The WiiU would still be Crystal Palace in that comparison.
Semi-knowledge and implications from that:
Afaik you have to use a whole CU because you can't give multiple different instructions to different cores in one CU. So you are not able to get just 10gflops processing power from one CU while the rest of it does other stuff at the same time. You can switch context but that probably wastes cycles. You probably can use one CU for applying DSP effects to more than one channel by switching contexts though.
PopcornMegaphone
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What does that mean in the real world? What do you expect from PS4 multiplats you won't see in XB1 titles? A little better lighting effects? Slightly better frame rates? A small bump in the resolution?
If you want to see a big difference in multiplats PCs will be the only place you'll find it.
I lol'ed.
BleachAndPepsi
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PS4: Miguel Cabrera
Xbone: Curtis Granderson
PC: Ty Cobb+Babe Ruth+Lou Gherig+Micky Mantle+Satchel Paige+Cy Young+Randy Johnson, etc.
WiiU: Fred Merkle (look up what he's famous for)
Ouya: The batboy
Edit: I like these sports comparisons much more than the Dragon Ball Z ones, mostly because I've never watched the show and know nothing about none of it.
They make my brain melt.
RoadHazard
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No. Flash memory isn't RAM, it would be horribly slow for that (even though it's much, much faster than an HDD). It will be used for storing data (probably the firmware/OS), not as working memory.
this is the truth... For PS4 owners, their COD doesnt compare to COD on XB1, they compare it to KZ and BF on PS4 when deciding which game to buy.
I never understood why would people think that money hatting is even possible.
The ESRAM is still essentially its own thing, memory read/writes to it can be 109 gbs right through to 204gb/s, but it's now a two way communication, not just a framebuffer cache like it was on the 360.
What that really means is post processing/defferred rendering is slick. Hellishly slick. Rendering is again, a one way traffic system, but any post processing can happen soon as the frame is created in the ESRAM. No GPU to DDR3 read/writes. All win win stuff (like last gen).
Clock speed increase means it has a throughput advantage (over PS4)in terms of the rate at which it process data, with almost zero stall pipeline in place. Very slick. OP/s still low compared to the opposition, but there is enough here to suggest that it will run efficiently enough.
Outside of the raw compute advantage on the GPU (for PS4), the Xbox one has a faster HSA bus, running at 30gb/s compared to "nearly 20gb/s).
It's all half a dozen of one and 6 of the other, someplace's XBO has advantages, others it doesn't.
Raw rendering, hell I wouldn't be at all concerned, it appears there's more than enough caches, and with the esram, and the dedicated swizzle hardware, this will hold it's own.
A good solid piece of kit that shows what a closed box customized system can do to beef up individual components.
Color me far more impressed with the dedicated silicon than I would have been if they had just taped the GPU and CPU together.
There is some smart stuff in here, wherever they know the CPU or GPU are gong to be bogged down doing mundane stuff, they have added silicon to alleviate it.
What that really means is post processing/defferred rendering is slick. Hellishly slick. Rendering is again, a one way traffic system, but any post processing can happen soon as the frame is created in the ESRAM. No GPU to DDR3 read/writes. All win win stuff (like last gen).
Clock speed increase means it has a throughput advantage (over PS4)in terms of the rate at which it process data, with almost zero stall pipeline in place. Very slick. OP/s still low compared to the opposition, but there is enough here to suggest that it will run efficiently enough.
Outside of the raw compute advantage on the GPU (for PS4), the Xbox one has a faster HSA bus, running at 30gb/s compared to "nearly 20gb/s).
It's all half a dozen of one and 6 of the other, someplace's XBO has advantages, others it doesn't.
Raw rendering, hell I wouldn't be at all concerned, it appears there's more than enough caches, and with the esram, and the dedicated swizzle hardware, this will hold it's own.
A good solid piece of kit that shows what a closed box customized system can do to beef up individual components.
Color me far more impressed with the dedicated silicon than I would have been if they had just taped the GPU and CPU together.
There is some smart stuff in here, wherever they know the CPU or GPU are gong to be bogged down doing mundane stuff, they have added silicon to alleviate it.
velociraptor
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lol
Coulomb_Barrier
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PC: Ray Mears
PS4: Bear Grylls
XB1: Ben Fogle
PS4: Bear Grylls
XB1: Ben Fogle
phosphor112
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That's a ROM Bios... not an OS.
BleachAndPepsi
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PS4: Pee
Xbone: Poop
WiiU: Double poop
Xbone: Poop
WiiU: Double poop
I'm mainly expecting differences in IQ, framerate and possibly geometry and texture detail with third party games. But those differences alone can be substantial (see Red Dead Redemption).
And yes, my PC will be playing most of these third party games anyway.
SniperHunter
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What can we expect from GPGPU tech? In the crytek engine demo thread we saw a glimpse of GPGPU tech (water drying up in the sun). But what else? According to Cerny this tech is 3 years away on PS4.
But it sounds like something only the sony first party will take advantage of
But it sounds like something only the sony first party will take advantage of
ConteZero76
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fastford58
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Hey sourcy mcsource. Gotta source to back that assertion up...you know, like how you want a source on the hUMA stuff?
So what you're saying is the WiiU is a boner?
Apparently "Rick Merritt @rickbmerritt
#Microsoft #Xbox One uses #Tensilica for audio and other cores I'm told here at #hotchips"
- https://twitter.com/rickbmerritt/status/372097331568857089
DPU's - DPUs deliver 10-100x more performance than standard CPUs and DSPs. Other benefits include:
#Microsoft #Xbox One uses #Tensilica for audio and other cores I'm told here at #hotchips"
- https://twitter.com/rickbmerritt/status/372097331568857089
DPU's - DPUs deliver 10-100x more performance than standard CPUs and DSPs. Other benefits include:
no because youre going to need the system memory...there are CPU calculations and GPU rendering that need to be done for the the OS to function....the Flash memory isn't going to be available for this...
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