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Developers: STOP using Chromatic Aberration
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chromatic9
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Another effect in film is to rub Vaseline on the camera lens, it can look nice dreamy and artistic used right but has ruined many a porn film for some. 
ScriptedReality
Member
Didn't know the name for it before but I agree.
You can still do edge-detection through PP (that's how for example outline shader is done in UE4 by default) and that's how I believe it should be done since it's more subtle. CA isn't necessarily meant to be done correctly, but so that it matches the artistic vision.
ashecitism
Member
Ah well. Any links to said pics?
So basically the opposite direction UT is possibly heading. CA out and possible sharpening filter in. lol
qa_engineer
Member
I don't mind it when its applied in moderation. Opinions = buttholes, everyone has one.
Summer Haze
Banned
I too thought the same thing about The Order, and have done with a handful of games this gen. A few games have a certain look to them which just makes them look a cut above every other game. I put it down to the increasing use of PBR in games, though.
When I was saying above that I think devs should be looking at other ways to make games look less 'gamey' without trying to re-create a 'though-the-lens' look, these are the kinds of things they should be focusing on imo. Things like PBR, Global Illumination, high quality textures and assets. No doubt the inclusion of certain camera effects can be used effectively when implemented properly and in conjunction with the things I mentioned above, but that's not what were seeing with so many games these days. What we're seeing for the most part is clumsy, unnecessary, and overdone. Imo of course.
I don't think pixar is a good example. They have stated that they vastly prefer softness to sharpness. They can however get the effect just right as they are using an offline rendering process.
Unless you have an ostomy. Then they sow your butthole up so you can't poo no more. Though I guess you still have a butthole, but it doesn't work.
Dictator93
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legacyzero
Banned
It was the one thing graphically that sucked about Dying Light for me. So much CA.
ashecitism
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shadowsdarknes
Member
Is this effect resource intensive?
TBH a sharpening filter might work ok given the default temporal AA solution used in UE4.
MaximusPayne
Member
So what exactly is it? Anyone have an example (pic)?
chromatic9
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I think for the OP F1 2015 was the last straw and flipped a little, I don't know, he can speak for himself but it is liberally thrown in games now.
Dictator93
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The entire thread is full of 'em. Just scroll back a page even.
Lockjaw333
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I would also venture a guess that people with uncalibrated TVs with overly sharpened torch mode settings may not notice it as much either.
The cleaner and more well calibrated your set is, the more things like CA become noticeable. And like you said, if you are playing on a monitor with a clean image and are close to it (as you would be with a monitor), its very apparent.
MaximusPayne
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Yeah, I see now....most of the images are zoomed in It really isn't noticeable when playing. It never bothered me. Of course I don't have time to pause games much and walk up to the screen to try and find this stuff. Most games on here that people are using examples of I played and thought they looked pretty decent.
Summer Haze
Banned
Yeah, that's the reason. Simply to show how much better our eyesight is than everyone else's. Yep. It doesn't actually bother us at all.
*Rolls eyes*
Who does this? I sit 10 ft away from a 42 inch TV and I see this shit right away.
Dictator93
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The thing is, I likewise see it regardless of distance due to how it changes colors and perceived clarity. It being a fullscreen effect / like colour correction / makes it really obvious to me.
Yup, I'm going to chalk this up as me being dumb but I don't know what we're talking about. I won't let GAF ruin something else for me
Yup, I'm going to chalk this up as me being dumb but I don't know what we're talking about. I won't let GAF ruin something else for me
That's right. Stick it to the GAF. I'm going to go home tomorrow and play Bloodborne and have CA all over my face. And then I'm going to email From and tell them to use more of it.
Summer Haze
Banned
Lmao.
qa_engineer
Member
My comment originally included situations in which one would not have a butthole or limited use of said butthole, but I thought it a bit much
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
You actually play the game? Bro your doing it wrong.
I know I'm giving GAF a hard time, but I think the right picture looks better (if a little bit washed out maybe?). On the right I can actually see the armor in detail, the left picture is too dark. Just me tho
Summer Haze
Banned
So are you saying a clear image would make you less uncomfortable? If so, I disagree. Well done art style, enemy design, gameplay difficulty, and sound design are things that are going to make me uncomfortable, all of which are areas that BB excels in, not making the screen look like I'm supposed to play the game with retro 3D glasses on.
Well, that will make me uncomfortable too, but for the wrong reasons. Lol.
I believe they said the left picture is a frost/ice effect. Not the actual texture of the armor.
ShadowSoldier89
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the game is supposed to make you uncomfortable, not nauseous
Honestly OP, i don't really mind it at all.
I liked it a lot in The Order and Bloodborne seems to use it well.
For the most part I would rather devs use the techniques they want to use, this isn't a universal technique so I don't see the problem.
Devs, keep on doing what you do.
I liked it a lot in The Order and Bloodborne seems to use it well.
For the most part I would rather devs use the techniques they want to use, this isn't a universal technique so I don't see the problem.
Devs, keep on doing what you do.
Summer Haze
Banned
You can play and enjoy something while simultaneously pointing out things you dislike about it, you know? I dislike its use in GTA V, but I still have days worth of play time with it.
expect a ton of posts quoting you telling you you are wrong for "reasons"
I do feel bad for the people who claim to experience eye strain (though if an "effect" causes eye strain I have to question how close they are sitting to their displays).. but beyond that.. people in this thread don't seem to get that they are neither the devs deciding to use an effect (whatever that may be) nor are they the people (such as you and myself) that think it actually adds to the presentation in some cases (like Bloodborne). Instead they just want to be "right".
To me CA is like cel shading back in the early 00s. Was it WAY FUCKING OVERUSED!!!?!? yes. Does the fact that it was overused prevent Zelda Wind Waker on GCN from STILL being a gorgeous game over a decade later? Hell no.
I don't think games need to look less gamey. I'm playing a videogame because I want to play a fucking videogame. High quality "realistic" assets are fine. But I want the graphics to serve the purpose of representing a game, not a cinematic experience.
Edit due to typo: I don't know when it became wrong for games to look like games, but I don't agree with that philosophy.
Dwight Schrute
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I like it in Bloodborne. Here, I said it.
Summer Haze
Banned
I doubt this.The people who do notice it and are bothered by it are being genuine, and the people who don't notice it an/or aren't bothered by it are being genuine. That's how it appears to me. I don't agree with the way you're just generalizing everyone who doesn't share the same opinion as you and trying to negate their opinions by making baseless claims. :/
And I'm not sure why you say we need to get that we aren't devs...or that we need to get that some people aren't bothered by it/like it. I mean, I do accept artistic choice, and I accept other people's and opinions...but surely the only thing that should matter to yourself is how you view it. No? "Getting" those other things doesn't change my own opinion on the matter.
Oh, I completely agree. The only reason I said what I said is because keeping games looking like games is simply becoming less and less common in game development these days, we are seeing more and more devs strive for realistic visuals. And if that's the path they're going to go down, I'd prefer it to be achieved more by the means I listed, and less by trying to re-create a 'through-the-lens' look. Or with a nice balance of both.
King Gilga
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Yeah, it makes games look like a mess, horrible thing.
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If CA were to be a living creature, born as a human being, it would look like this:
PhilGPT
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I'm one of the people that suffer from eye strain due to this effect. If you don't suffer from it, or don't notice it, I envy you.
I play on my 24" monitor, which is about 50" from where I sit (I play mostly on my PC). I don't think I'm sitting that close to my display.
Even though I suffer from this, I'm not asking the devs not to use it... they can use whatever they want, it's their game (just don't expect me to buy it if I can't turn it off)
I'm just asking for a toggle, which shouldn't be too hard, but hey, what do I know.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
I just can't see it at all. Jaggie complaints I understand but I made two videos on Bloodborne looking for this Christmas tree effect and I don't see it. The game looks crisp and awesome I just don't see the issue.
Summer Haze
Banned
Fair enough, good for you. But some people do see it, and are bothered by it. That doesn't mean they aren't still playing or enjoying the game, though.
And to be honest, the BB shots in the OP is the worse I've ever seen the CA in that game. It's still overdone overall imo, but yeah, those shots are definitely worst case scenario.
You monster!
It doesn't nauseate me, but it does cause me significant eyestrain - far more than the 3DS with 3D turned to max, as an example.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
But that just doesn't make sense to me. Like I said I can't understand someone saying - "yeah I see the jaggies but they just don't bother me" but I can't see this effect in live gameplay or with the game paused. I'm spinning the camera looking at things in the foreground or background and I just don't see anything at all. Does it have to do with the kind of tv your watching it on? I'm on a 55" plasma
Also the assertion that the effect is hurting IQ at least in BB seems crazy to me. It looks perfectly crisp.
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