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White Man said:
Absolutely!
External power supply moves heat out of the case, reduces noise, and is replaceable if it fries. External PSU = good good good. Not cheap, though.
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Looks like RSX really is downgraded from the original spec (for now at least)
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Absolutely!
External power supply moves heat out of the case, reduces noise, and is replaceable if it fries. External PSU = good good good. Not cheap, though.
Mefisutoferesu
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Diablos said:
Well, I think what pana is saying is that while Xenos may be more feature rich (closer to SM3.0) than RSX (SM2.0), PS3 has CELL to do the various extra that entails like geometry shading... more over, it'll probably do a better job to boot, since SPEs give you a lot more freedom.
Also, unless there are holes in the PCB that fan doesn't make much sense... in such a dense environ it'll end up recycling a lot of hot air, or so I think. It's starting to seem like a large chunk of the PS3 case is empty space for airflow... if that's the case I can imagine there's gotta be a better configuration. Maybe, give the PS3 legs and open a hole on the bottom for the fan to exhaust, it could shrink the case by almost an inch, I'd imagine... man, I really wanna see the inside of the PS3.
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Fafalada said:
About time someone said it.
The size of the machine and the use of an external power supply simply doesn't bother me. It sits out of the way and will rarely be moved. I would never sacrifice power for size when dealing with a stationary machine.
To be fair, the XBOX360 is extremely loud while the PS3 is supposedly as quiet as the PSTwo slim (confirmed by various people). It doesn't seem to have made a difference in this case.beermonkey@tehbias said:
Diablos said:
I remember official Sony PDFs that said A LOT OF THINGS. As I said elsewhere, the system is over a half year late and it's supposed to be in manufacturing now (but it's not). Sony is just doing what needs to be done to get this thing manufactured. I'm sure silence isn't nearly as high a priority as it used to be.
Lord Error
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As far as I know, RSX has never actually been running at 550MHz. A year ago it was announced that final unit will be running at 550MHz, but the models in devkits so far have been at 450MHz (old devkit) and 500Mhz (New (final?) devkit).Diablos said:
The DVD drive is what makes the most noise in X360. BD drive in PS3 has got to be a lot quieter because it rotates a lot slower.White Man said:
Both are fully equipped SM3.0 parts.
SM2.0 is a thing of the past, even GF6800 was fully SM3.0 compliant.
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2 month left to " 2 millions of ps3 available worldwide- failure thread "Elios83 said:
Funky Papa
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What's the origin of that pic? :lolWollan said:
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tahrikmili said:
Yeah because an extra 50 Mhz is the greatest the PS3 had over the 360 right?
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White Man said:
You mean non-unified logins? Are you sure you meant to say this?
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Awesome thread. Makes me feel better since I just realized I retained less than 10% of my Spanish language knowledge.
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Hunter D said:It appears nintendo is the smartest company this gen. The released a gamecube MMX version with a new controller and called it a day. The graphical leap from the current gen to next gen isn't as great as the graphical leap we all saw from the PS1 to the PS2.
Edit-You rat bastard
I rather spend my money on a next-gen system thank you.
tahrikmili
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mckmas8808 said:
Yeah, as a matter of fact, GPU-wise it was the only thing it had over the 360 GPU. Now it has nothing and lacks features.
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tahrikmili said:
You need to read and understand this quote below bad.
PS3 developer said:
Again this is from a PS3 dev (i.e. Heavenly Sword). So what is all this arguing about?
tahrikmili
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mckmas8808 said:
What were you expecting a PS3 dev to say "ZOMG MY HW IS GIMPED OUR GAMES WILL SUCK!" ? People on both camps have been claiming GPU superiority all the while, if you're going to believe the PS3 devs' story this easily, how can you question people who say Xenos will be better in the long run? :lol
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tahrikmili said:
Have you got any quotes to that effect? Ones that don't come from Major Nelson, mind you.
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tahrikmili said:
If you knew Marco you would know he is not one to BS. But carry on since you seem to know more than people creating PS3 games.:lol
sol_bad said:
Aside from getting it to work with Cell (FlexIO etc) and additional caches on RSX (confirmed by the same person confirming the clock) it's possible there could be other customisations.
Stripping Purevideo and the 8 ROPs would possibly mean a ~50 million transistor discrepency between RSX and a G71 - room for extra logic.
tahrikmili said:
Both have things "over" the other, the only thing that has changed in some cases is to what extent. The differences between Xenos and RSX are overwhelmingly architectural rather than related to clockspeed, so as long as their clocks are within reasonable distance of one another, the relative peculiarities and pros and cons of each that are rooted in architecture are unlikely to change.
knitoe said:
I'm just now catching up on this thread ... so bear with me if this has already been gone over ...
Anyway, I've read this sentiment from you several times already, so I feel it must be discussed. Can you please explain how animation is not directly tied to graphics?
Throughout gaming history, there have been games lauded for being advanced graphically due to their animation while in still pictures they didnt necessarily look as good as some other games. Yet while playing, everyone though the game looked incredible. Stuff like Flashback, Prince of Persia, Virtua Fighter, etc. In this scenario however, we still have a GPU that is very comparable yet a CPU that will allow animation (and physics which IS tied to graphics and potentially gameplay) that may not be realistic on 360.
To separate animation is just ridiculous. If anything I would argue animation is FAR more important this generation since problems with it become more noticeable the better the graphics are.
Now we know that Xenos has 240GFLOPS of shader performance (unified architecture), whereas RSX has 232GFLOPS of shader performance, splittind to 192GFLOPS of Pixel Shader and 40GFLOPS of Vertex Shader. I guess we can see a situation when Xenos is better at both PS and VS
Although comparing only FLOPS number is probably quite lame and is no indicator of real performance.
BTW I wonder why some of you think that PS3 will allow better animation? It has the same amount of RAM as 360 and unless we're talking about some kind of procedurally generated animations I don't see what hardware advantage PS3 actually has to have better animations in games.
Although comparing only FLOPS number is probably quite lame and is no indicator of real performance.
BTW I wonder why some of you think that PS3 will allow better animation? It has the same amount of RAM as 360 and unless we're talking about some kind of procedurally generated animations I don't see what hardware advantage PS3 actually has to have better animations in games.
PS3 developer said:
[note: I'm not a gaming dev, and though I'm a SW dev - I'm not all that familiar with HW architecture and graphics programming]
I believe part of the issue with the 360 is that the (back?) buffer MUST be in the EDRAM for output ... whereas on the PS3 it can be anywhere in memory.
The EDRAM gives 360 certain advantages, but it also has certain costs. Post postprocessing is one of its disadvantages.
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A totally Gahiggid-esque drawing made by himself. I mean, I am sure he is a nice chap in person and all that, but I'll be damned if this doesn't make me laugh :loldalyr95 said:
Edit: Damn you Wollan, this is the GAF way. You make it, we laugh at you
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dark10x said:
I hate to imagine how louder and hotter the 360 would have been with the PSU inside the case. My comment had nothing to do with the 360, just an endorsement of external PSUs in general. They aren't a panacea but that doesn't mean they aren't a good thing.
szaromir said:Now we know that Xenos has 240GFLOPS of shader performance (unified architecture), whereas RSX has 232GFLOPS of shader performance, splittind to 192GFLOPS of Pixel Shader and 40GFLOPS of Vertex Shader. I guess we can see a situation when Xenos is better at both PS and VS
not necessarily. While Xenos is unified, it can still only do one thing at a time. So if its doing 240GFLOPS of vertex shading it is indeed owning the RSX, but then it isn't doing any pixel shading. So its likely that the unified approach would need to be split anyway. Its just that the unified approach allows that split to be flexible.
I'd have thought that the RSX approach is good - spend most of your processing effort on pixel shading (where a GPU really excels in a console environment), and let the CELL back up your vertex processing (where the SPEs really excel).
szaromir said:
Regardless of FLOPS, I believe RSX can perform more pixel shader operations per clock.
They are totally different architectures ... so simply throwing out frequency and FLOP numbers is ambiguous at best.
That's the point ... precedurally generated animation and physics is the direction 3D gaming is moving in (and has been for quite some time).
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PolyGone said:
Yeah because the PS3 controller doesn't have any motion tech in it either.