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Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread XV: Kübler-Ross Edition

Azure J

Member
I do remember people having some really weird hangups about Marvel's roster. I specifically remember someone equating Spidey and Cap to shotoclones on the level of Ken and Sakura.

That, and all of the "Where's Venom/Gambit/*insertMvC2veteranhere*/etc." complaints.

"Too many sword users" is probably my favorite nonsensical Smash roster gripe, though.

This one will never not get me all
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faced, especially as folks dig ever deeper and invest themselves in things just because "lol how quirky" but the moment a hilt is visible everyone turns their nose up. Alternatively, we need to kick some some of these fist and feet fighters the fuck out of these rosters. :p

I love sword fighters and since Smash will probably never have a character that uses Gun Kata [think Equilibrium, Gunslinger Girl, or Death the Kid in Soul Eater], this is the only niche I have.

I do however agree that we need more weapon specialists stat. More staff users especially.

I remember a lot of complaints over no Gene in Ultimate, and no Cyclops/Venom in MvC3 in addition to the MM uproar.

In a lot of the circles I was in, outside of everyone having their "that one character from MvC2", the roster was mostly accepted. I don't doubt what you're saying though since I do remember the Niitsuma panel at EVO showing concept art of super clashing using a Cyclops sprite that got the entire room hype.

(For reference's sake, Ruby Heart for life.)
 

Crocodile

Member
Smash attracts people other than fighting game fans. I'm guessing that's why there are clone complaints.

Sure and I love this series to death for its ability to make people give a shit about fighting games in ways even Street Fighter can't manage, but I'd think gamers on a "hardcore" site like NeoGaf would at least be aware of some of the common tropes of the game genre Smash Bros is in. Clones are everywhere. Clones are your friends :)

There are a lot of little "isms" like this that you only get with exposure to the Smash fandom versus other fighting game rosters. Hell even other crossover fighters don't get scutinized and cause weird hangups for people like this. I was there for the Marvel to Ultimate Marvel transition somewhat sad because there was no Megaman in Ultimate (or even vanilla) and I was also there for people getting upset because "trenchcoat teleporters" were all the best, but that doesn't compare to some of the stuff here.

LOL I remember some of the MvC3 shitstorms. Good times :) No Mega Man in (U)MvC3 is still a huge fuck up IMO though

I don't think it's a conspiracy. I'm just tired of people making excuses for Sakurai when he's proven himself to be inept and incapable. It's easy to say characters get cut all the time, but Ice Climbers are the oldest non-clone in the series to get the axe.

Excuses? Do you play/follow ANY other fighting game series? Do you know how whiny and unreasonable you sound? Losing characters is unfortunate but pretty common. Would you bitch this much if say Ike got cut? Or Shiek (who some people were legit afraid was getting cut at some point)?

For someone who follows and is aware of the trials and tribulations of the animation industry, your complete lack of understanding of how game development works is pretty surprising :/
 

Kinsei

Banned
What has your main(s) been in each Smash game?

64
Kirby. Why'd he have to get hit with the nerf bat in Melee?

Melee
Sheik. I'm not sure if she was straight up nerfed in Brawl, or if she just didn't work with the new physics, but god damn was she terrible in it.
Mewtwo... Yeah.

Brawl
Wolf... Yeah

Ya'll better hope I don't main a character you like. T_T


DK has been pretty good though Moveset wise.
Don't really see why he's need that much of a revamp.

I'd like to see an animal buddy incorporated into his moveset. Maybe his Side B could be a Rambi charge similar to Wario's bike? It just seems so weird that such a large part of the DKC games is completely absent from D.K. and Diddy's movesets.
 
"Smash has too many sword users!" they shout. "This is Smash, not Soulcalibur!"
Meanwhile, no one takes me seriously when I bring up the obvious Sakurai bias for round characters. As if Kirby and Jigglypuff weren't enough, he had to add Meta Knight and Pac-Man too! Damn Sakurai and his love of spheres!
 

Vuapol

Member
I love that the video was uploaded in 2009, but the uploader specifically changed the name three years later just to show up in "Pikmin 3 E3 trailer" results.

I'm almost positive looking for the Pikmin 3 trailer was what first...exposed me to that video. Dear lord.
 

Josephl64

Member
What has your main(s) been in each Smash game?

64
Kirby. Why'd he have to get hit with the nerf bat in Melee?

Melee
Sheik. I'm not sure if she was straight up nerfed in Brawl, or if she just didn't work with the new physics, but god damn was she terrible in it.
Mewtwo... Yeah.

Brawl
Wolf... Yeah\

Ya'll better hope I don't main a character you like. T_T


64: Yoshi

Melee: Peach

Brawl: Pikachu
 
I'm almost positive looking for the Pikmin 3 trailer was what first...exposed me to that video. Dear lord.

Oh, I saw it long before then. Don't ask me how (as I have no idea), but trying to find that video later was a pain in the ass. Fortunately, I know exactly where to find it now, ready for any good situation.
 

zroid

Banned
"Smash has too many sword users!" they shout. "This is Smash, not Soulcalibur!"
Meanwhile, no one takes me seriously when I bring up the obvious Sakurai bias for round characters. As if Kirby and Jigglypuff weren't enough, he had to add Meta Knight and Pac-Man too! Damn Sakurai and his love of spheres!

It doesn't stop there. Soon Chorus Kids are going to be singing rounds.
 

Gartooth

Member
In a lot of the circles I was in, outside of everyone having their "that one character from MvC2", the roster was mostly accepted. I don't doubt what you're saying though since I do remember the Niitsuma panel at EVO showing concept art of super clashing using a Cyclops sprite that got the entire room hype.

(For reference's sake, Ruby Heart for life.)

I think the Mega Man complaints were justified even though Zero in a sense filled his shoes.

Everything else though I'm fine with. (although I did miss a few characters) MvC3 and UMvC3 introduced me to a lot of characters from Marvel and Capcom that I wasn't aware of beforehand, and made me a fan of many of them. To me (again aside from no Mega Man) it is the best MvC roster to date in terms of playstyles and character selection. So glad that the series put behind its X-Men, Street Fighter, and friends roots to fully explore both companies' character catalogs.
 
It doesn't stop there. Soon Chorus Kids are going to be singing rounds.

People don't even see the problem with having Samus and Sonic turn into spheres too! I'm boycotting this game, unless Sakurai removes these characters. How dare he not cater to all my personal wants for the game?!
 

Toxi

Banned
What has your main(s) been in each Smash game?

64
Kirby. Why'd he have to get hit with the nerf bat in Melee?

Melee
Sheik. I'm not sure if she was straight up nerfed in Brawl, or if she just didn't work with the new physics, but god damn was she terrible in it.
Mewtwo... Yeah.

Brawl
Wolf... Yeah
64
Samus

Melee
Samus

Brawl
Metaknight

Project M
Samus
 

Vuapol

Member
Oh, I saw it long before then. Don't ask me how (as I have no idea), but trying to find that video later was a pain in the ass. Fortunately, I know exactly where to find it now, ready for any good situation.

...on second thought, I may have seen it before then just searching for Pikmin stuff. I don't remember when I saw that video, but I certainly won't forget what I saw, haha.

If you can believe it, the thing I always questioned most about that video was why "Olimar" had a pumpkin on his head.
 
64
Ness
Fox

Melee

Fox
Marth
Mewtwo

Brawl
Meta-Knight (Favorite Kirby character, planned on maining him as soon as he showed up in the reveal trailer, eventual brokenness be damned)
Marth
Sonic

Project M

Marth
Sonic

I've got a question in a similar vein for everyone: What was the first Smash character you ever used? Mine was 64 Pikachu, because I was knee deep in Pokemania at the time, and the prospect of being able to beat the snot out of Mario with Pikachu was too much to pass up at the time.
 
What has your main(s) been in each Smash?

For me:
64 - Samus/Link
Melee - Samus/Marth
Brawl - Samus/Pit

Kind of weird that I've stuck with Samus for so long but she always clicked with me. Loved Marth in Melee, but didn't like his changes in Brawl. Really got into Pit in Brawl, but that faded eventually and I typically hover between Samus, Link, or Sonic.
 

Azure J

Member
What has your main(s) been in each Smash game?

64
Kirby. Why'd he have to get hit with the nerf bat in Melee?

Melee
Sheik. I'm not sure if she was straight up nerfed in Brawl, or if she just didn't work with the new physics, but god damn was she terrible in it.
Mewtwo... Yeah.

Brawl
Wolf... Yeah\

Ya'll better hope I don't main a character you like. T_T

64: Luigi/Falcon/Samus. It's hard to say that I had one main in this game since I juggled between those three often. Luigi had Shin Shoryukens that set people ablaze, Falcon had the most godlike version of his up-air, f-smash, d-air spike and Falcon Punch in this one and Samus was the fastest she ever was in the series here while also pouring on damage and setting up for stupid down air spike infinites into charge shot.

Melee & Brawl: Marth all the way. When I used to mess around casually in Melee, Ganondorf was my second favorite character to use. After getting a bit of practice and experience though, I started playing a lot of Falco. Guess I just love characters with awesome spikes. Brawl was crazy. I played Marth, Ike, Falco, Peach, Lucas, Pit, Mario, Fox... I probably came really close to understanding a large number of characters in that game with how I played. Of all those, I'd say Marth and Pit were my go to characters which were only reaffirmed as my favs with Project M. I'm also enjoying Mewtwo a lot now in the latter.
 

Neoxon

Junior Member
This one will never not get me all
6Nr4K.png
faced, especially as folks dig ever deeper and invest themselves in things just because "lol how quirky" but the moment a hilt is visible everyone turns their nose up. Alternatively, we need to kick some some of these fist and feet fighters the fuck out of these rosters. :p

I love sword fighters and since Smash will probably never have a character that uses Gun Kata [think Equilibrium, Gunslinger Girl, or Death the Kid in Soul Eater], this is the only niche I have.

I do however agree that we need more weapon specialists stat. More staff users especially.



In a lot of the circles I was in, outside of everyone having their "that one character from MvC2", the roster was mostly accepted. I don't doubt what you're saying though since I do remember the Niitsuma panel at EVO showing concept art of super clashing using a Cyclops sprite that got the entire room hype.

(For reference's sake, Ruby Heart for life.)
You guys do realize Marvel chose the Marvel side of the roster for (U)MvC3, not Capcom, right? Capcom did beg for Sentinel & Shuma, but Marvel only allowed Shuma if he was DLC (they approved Sentinel because Capcom wouldn't shut up about him, & played the FGC legacy card). I guarantee you that with MvC4 (if it happens), expect more X-Men characters to be cut in exchange for more Avengers, Guardians of the Galaxy, & more Inhumans.
 

Josephl64

Member
64
Ness
Fox

Melee

Fox
Marth
Mewtwo

Brawl
Meta-Knight (Favorite Kirby character, planned on maining him as soon as he showed up in the reveal trailer, eventual brokenness be damned)
Marth
Sonic

I've got a question in a similar vein for everyone: What was the first Smash character you ever used? Mine was 64 Pikachu, because I was knee deep in Pokemania at the time, and the prospect of being able to beat the snot out of Mario with Pikachu was too much to pass up at the time.

My first was Pikachu as well in 64
 

Vuapol

Member
What has your main(s) been in each Smash game?

64

Fox
Yoshi

Melee

Fox
Yoshi

Brawl

Meta Knight
Lucario
Olimar
Wolf/Fox
Yoshi

As for Smash 4, I plan to be a lot more open-minded and try to play with as much of the cast as I can tolerate. The only newcomers I have no interest in, including the leaks, are Rosalina and the Miis. This newcomer cast is bonkers.
 

Masked Man

I said wow
• Peach buffs/nerfs/changes?
She didn't feel a whole lot different to me, honestly. Peach Bomber is /definitely/ not instantaneous, but it seems to travel a logger distance and knock opponents farther away. The effect and sound on her new UAir are cute, though. :3 Taunts are the same as Brawl.
• Customization options from CSS?
I wasn't able to access any from the CSS, but the Customizations button is present on the screen, so I'll try again next round.
• Galacta Knight MK alt?
Couldn't get a good look just from the CSS, but it seems like it's just a palette swap.
• Hawaiian / Black/Red Mario alt?
Neither, unfortunately.
• Mr. L Luigi alt?
Nope.
• Boxing gloves DK alt?
Didn't see one...
• Purple Charizard = Ridley?
The skin is purple but the wings are a dark navy color, so it's not quite the same.
• Toon Link only 6 alts?
Nope! The other two are hard to describe, but one was a sky blue/silver combo and the other was a pastel green.
• Victory themes = Brawl?
The Pokemon and Zelda themes were the same, sadly.

Other updates:
• Rainbow Road medley sounds nice
• N's Castle Medley is really cool! Looking forward to hearing more once I'm not brawling, but iirc it starts off with a rendition of N's Theme then moves into the castle music.
• Palutena is light, floaty, and felt kind of sluggish to me. Her tilts and smashes all felt very punishable and didn't provide much knockback, but maybe I was just doing it wrong. (It's admittedly awkward to revert to playing a regular 3DS when I've grown accustomed to the XL.)
 

dimb

Bjergsen is the greatest midlane in the world
Excuses? Do you play/follow ANY other fighting game series? Do you know how whiny and unreasonable you sound? Losing characters is unfortunate but pretty common. Would you bitch this much if say Ike got cut? Or Shiek (who some people were legit afraid was getting cut at some point)?

For someone who follows and is aware of the trials and tribulations of the animation industry, your complete lack of understanding of how game development works is pretty surprising :/
As a pair of fighters The Ice Climbers fill a unique role in the roster that someone like Ike or Shiek doesn't. I understand perfectly fine how "game development works". Passing off the inclusion of the Ice Climbers as some sort of insurmountable programming task seems silly.
 

J@hranimo

Banned
Is it his blue team color from older smash games? We saw Sakurai do this with Samus and here green costume.

Yeah kinda, except it looks like someone threw his clothes in the wash and they got really faded out :p His old blue team color was basically his normal colors reversed on his overalls and shirt.

What has your main(s) been in each Smash game?

64
Kirby. Why'd he have to get hit with the nerf bat in Melee?

Melee
Sheik. I'm not sure if she was straight up nerfed in Brawl, or if she just didn't work with the new physics, but god damn was she terrible in it.
Mewtwo... Yeah.

Brawl
Wolf... Yeah

Ya'll better hope I don't main a character you like. T_T




I'd like to see an animal buddy incorporated into his moveset. Maybe his Side B could be a Rambi charge similar to Wario's bike? It just seems so weird that such a large part of the DKC games is completely absent from D.K. and Diddy's movesets.

64: Luigi, Ness

Melee: Falco, Marth, Luigi and Ness for fun. I played with everyone except Jiggs and ICs. I even used Peach for a little bit!

Brawl: Olimar, Luigi, Ness. Never thought I'd like Olimar..

"Smash has too many sword users!" they shout. "This is Smash, not Soulcalibur!"
Meanwhile, no one takes me seriously when I bring up the obvious Sakurai bias for round characters. As if Kirby and Jigglypuff weren't enough, he had to add Meta Knight and Pac-Man too! Damn Sakurai and his love of spheres!

LOL!
 

Jawmuncher

Member
64
DK

Melee
DK

Brawl
Snake
with Ike as the 2nd as DK moved to 3rd.

As for my first character to play as in each smash

64
Samus (Didn't like her)

melee
DK (Knew who to stick with at that point)

Brawl
DK Only because I participated in a Gamestop Prerelease Tourney. Refused to play anymore after that until Snake got unlocked.
 

DJIzana

Member
64
Ness
Fox

Melee

Fox
Marth
Mewtwo

Brawl
Meta-Knight (Favorite Kirby character, planned on maining him as soon as he showed up in the reveal trailer, eventual brokenness be damned)
Marth
Sonic

Project M

Marth
Sonic

I've got a question in a similar vein for everyone: What was the first Smash character you ever used? Mine was 64 Pikachu, because I was knee deep in Pokemania at the time, and the prospect of being able to beat the snot out of Mario with Pikachu was too much to pass up at the time.

64
Ness
Pikachu
Fox

Melee
Ness
Fox

Brawl
Lucas
Ness
Sonic
Yoshi
 
What has your main(s) been in each Smash game?

64
Kirby. Why'd he have to get hit with the nerf bat in Melee?

Melee
Sheik. I'm not sure if she was straight up nerfed in Brawl, or if she just didn't work with the new physics, but god damn was she terrible in it.
Mewtwo... Yeah.

Brawl
Wolf... Yeah

Ya'll better hope I don't main a character you like. T_T




I'd like to see an animal buddy incorporated into his moveset. Maybe his Side B could be a Rambi charge similar to Wario's bike? It just seems so weird that such a large part of the DKC games is completely absent from D.K. and Diddy's movesets.
64: Mario

Melee: Mario

Brawl: Mario / Diddy / Lucas
 

Kinsei

Banned
• Peach buffs/nerfs/changes?
She didn't feel a whole lot different to me, honestly. Peach Bomber is /definitely/ not instantaneous, but it seems to travel a logger distance and knock opponents farther away. The effect and sound on her new UAir are cute, though. :3 Taunts are the same as Brawl.
• Customization options from CSS?
I wasn't able to access any from the CSS, but the Customizations button is present on the screen, so I'll try again next round.
• Galacta Knight MK alt?
Couldn't get a good look just from the CSS, but it seems like it's just a palette swap.
• Hawaiian / Black/Red Mario alt?
Neither, unfortunately.
• Mr. L Luigi alt?
Nope.
• Boxing gloves DK alt?
Didn't see one...
• Purple Charizard = Ridley?
The skin is purple but the wings are a dark navy color, so it's not quite the same.
• Toon Link only 6 alts?
Nope! The other two are hard to describe, but one was a sky blue/silver combo and the other was a pastel green.
• Victory themes = Brawl?
The Pokemon and Zelda themes were the same, sadly.

Other updates:
• Rainbow Road medley sounds nice
• N's Castle Medley is really cool! Looking forward to hearing more once I'm not brawling, but iirc it starts off with a rendition of N's Theme then moves into the castle music.
• Palutena is light, floaty, and felt kind of sluggish to me. Her tilts and smashes all felt very punishable and didn't provide much knockback, but maybe I was just doing it wrong. (It's admittedly awkward to revert to playing a regular 3DS when I've grown accustomed to the XL.)

Was there a true Daisy alt, or is it like the one in Melee and Brawl?
 

Josephl64

Member
64

Fox
Yoshi

Melee

Fox
Yoshi

Brawl

Meta Knight
Lucario
Olimar
Wolf/Fox
Yoshi

As for Smash 4, I plan to be a lot more open-minded and try to play with as much of the cast as I can tolerate.

I play as everyone anyways since the first thing I do I story/classic mode. I do end up sticking with just 4 or so though
 

TWILT

Banned
64
Pikachu
Link

Melee
Link
Pikachu
Marth
Falco

Brawl/Project M (exact same characters
Link
Ike
Pikachu

Being a Link main for all these years is suffering at times. At least he's finally good in P:M and will (hopefully) be better in Smash 4...though there's a lot more new characters I want to try now, hmm...
 

Masked Man

I said wow
Was there a true Daisy alt, or is it like the one in Melee and Brawl?

Same as Melee and Brawl although she isn't tan anymore. The only name change and alternate model I saw (in my brief two rounds) was Pikmin & Alph.
Oh, and sadly Palutena's hair doesn't turn blonde for her Viridi costume :(

Will double-check about MK and WolFox. I didn't see any changes to MK's mask, but I'll check again.
 
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