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The Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks thread Zelda choo-choo-chooses you.
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manueldelalas
Time Traveler
OK, after thr third dungeon (water...) I can say that i definitely don't agree with reviewers.
In almost every review I read, they said the game fixes ALL of the problem with PH, which is absolutely not true.
PH vs ST so far:
The tower is less annoying in ST because of no repetition (but they could have added an elevator the damn thing). It is still annoying, controlling Zelda (spoiler) can be very boring.
Puzzles were definitely better in PH, which has the best puzzles in any Zelda game. And most of what I've played are the same as the old PH puzzles. Been there done that.
I think boat is better than train (more freedom) but hard breaking is addicting; it's fun to carry passengers (although not too fun defending them...) too and the train music is awesome.
The music of ST is a hundred times better than the music in PH and should be included in future Zelda games.
Difficulty is almost the same (easy as fuck), and the dungeons are very short too; I thought they would change that...
Flute can be hard to play (getting the tempo while skipping notes... ugh! and I do know how to play real musical instruments (flutes, ocarinas, piano, etc))
Also, I have a hard time finding money, because if you sell treasures, you can't upgrade the train (need money to buy bomb bag, shield (which are optional items; shield is almost useless and bombs are used to discover secrets) and a heart; and also to play the postcard thing to win prizes or whatever that's for).
All in all I am enjoying the game, but will be my third Zelda game that I will not replay (WW, PH and this)
In almost every review I read, they said the game fixes ALL of the problem with PH, which is absolutely not true.
PH vs ST so far:
The tower is less annoying in ST because of no repetition (but they could have added an elevator the damn thing). It is still annoying, controlling Zelda (spoiler) can be very boring.
Puzzles were definitely better in PH, which has the best puzzles in any Zelda game. And most of what I've played are the same as the old PH puzzles. Been there done that.
I think boat is better than train (more freedom) but hard breaking is addicting; it's fun to carry passengers (although not too fun defending them...) too and the train music is awesome.
The music of ST is a hundred times better than the music in PH and should be included in future Zelda games.
Difficulty is almost the same (easy as fuck), and the dungeons are very short too; I thought they would change that...
Flute can be hard to play (getting the tempo while skipping notes... ugh! and I do know how to play real musical instruments (flutes, ocarinas, piano, etc))
Also, I have a hard time finding money, because if you sell treasures, you can't upgrade the train (need money to buy bomb bag, shield (which are optional items; shield is almost useless and bombs are used to discover secrets) and a heart; and also to play the postcard thing to win prizes or whatever that's for).
All in all I am enjoying the game, but will be my third Zelda game that I will not replay (WW, PH and this)
DeathbyVolcano
Banned
lulz WHAT
manueldelalas
Time Traveler
What you read, definitely PH puzzles are the most out of the box and overall best puzzles in the series. There is nothing to argue here; other Zelda games relied too much on pushing box puzzles and shit like that, but in PH the puzzles were on an entirely new level.BrandNew said:
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Deleted member 30609
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manuel, you're just before the bits where the game gets INCREDIBLY difficult at times. I currently stuck on (DON'T READ IF YOU HAVEN'T REACHED THE TOP OF THE SoT)
post-fifth dungeon SoT floors. Super-difficult stuff.
beelzebozo
Jealous Bastard
i am learning to like my like-like.
Pseudo_Sam
Survives without air, food, or water
manueldelalas said:
Oh, well looks like you win then. :/
Seriously, ST>PH in every way imaginable. I didn't think I'd like it as much as I do, to be honest.
manueldelalas
Time Traveler
I hope it gives me some challenge =D, I'm all for difficult Zelda (I hate when those damn snow wolves hit you and get one fucking quarter of a heart!! how ridiculous can that be?)Rez said:
Game is still getting better. Also, the music is SO rad. Some of the best in the franchise history, imo.
I don't know what to think of the Spirit Flute still, it's very wonky. Picks up goddamn every sound around, constantly making things frustrating if you're playing in public. And fuck blowing into the mic. Timing is also incredibly difficult to nail.
Shoulda removed blowing into the mic altogether.
If your standard for what makes a good puzzle is "how many retarded gimmicks can I utilize of the DS functionality", then sure. It's the best EVER! Totally outside of the box!
if your standard is "how many of the puzzles are actually clever, remotely challenging and integrated into the dungeon in novel and interesting ways", then no. Fuck no. Jesus christ no. It's like goddamn LEARNING WITH ELMO type bullshit easy.
Phantom Hourglass puzzles, as most of its dungeon design, were some of the most insulting, preschool level shit in the franchise history. The developer's intent was to apparently "casualize" it, make things easy for people new to the franchise. And that's what they did, but as a direct hit to the quality of said puzzles. Genuinely insultingly easy.
Phantom Hourglass isn't even the Zelda game with the best puzzles on DS anymore.
I don't know what to think of the Spirit Flute still, it's very wonky. Picks up goddamn every sound around, constantly making things frustrating if you're playing in public. And fuck blowing into the mic. Timing is also incredibly difficult to nail.
Shoulda removed blowing into the mic altogether.
manueldelalas said:
If your standard for what makes a good puzzle is "how many retarded gimmicks can I utilize of the DS functionality", then sure. It's the best EVER! Totally outside of the box!
if your standard is "how many of the puzzles are actually clever, remotely challenging and integrated into the dungeon in novel and interesting ways", then no. Fuck no. Jesus christ no. It's like goddamn LEARNING WITH ELMO type bullshit easy.
Phantom Hourglass puzzles, as most of its dungeon design, were some of the most insulting, preschool level shit in the franchise history. The developer's intent was to apparently "casualize" it, make things easy for people new to the franchise. And that's what they did, but as a direct hit to the quality of said puzzles. Genuinely insultingly easy.
Phantom Hourglass isn't even the Zelda game with the best puzzles on DS anymore.
TheCardPlayer said:
It only scored .5 less (9.0 versus 8.5). A different person reviewed both games, but if you read the text, he clearly argues that ST is the better game. Standards change through the years, so better games sometimes get lower scores than their predecessors. It's a sad fact of life.
DeathbyVolcano
Banned
Link Man said:
The "love story" puzzle was real cool.
DeathbyVolcano
Banned
BTW, overworld is still trash.
spent an hour in the spirit temple after I cleared the 4th dungeon (fire temple) and I had to turn it off to use it as my alarm clock for the next morning, so I saved it thinking it would save my progress up to there. Then I turn the game on and all the floors are reset, and I even have to get the 3 light thingies to power up my sword again. Wish these Zelda games would save from directly where you are when you hit save 
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Deleted member 30609
Unconfirmed Member
the ToS is weird like that.vehn said:spent an hour in the spirit temple after I cleared the 4th dungeon (fire temple) and I had to turn it off to use it as my alarm clock for the next morning, so I saved it thinking it would save my progress up to there. Then I turn the game on and all the floors are reset, and I even have to get the 3 light thingies to power up my sword again. Wish these Zelda games would save from directly where you are when you hit save
it saves open door, or collected keys, but it doesn't save the power-ups. luckily, they're usually really easy to get to thanks to the already open doors (thanks to how inter-connected the whole thing is).
it might seem like you've lost everything, but check the doors! I know I panicked yesterday when I did the same thing, only to be relieved when I realised that it does save some progress.
DeathbyVolcano
Banned
ST's music really is that good. The town themes, sanctuary themes, and some of the later dungeon themes (Fire temple omg) are simply wonderful. That's not to mention the overworld theme, which is about the overworld's only saving grace other than the fact that your train looks cool.
upandaway said:
I like a lot of Zelda music. A lot of it is fantastic.
I don't necessarily hold it up on some golden pedestal as some might, but it is fair to say Spirit Track's soundtrack is up there with the best in the franchise. It's the biggest surprise about this game considering Phantom Hourglass had a really underwhelming soundtrack.
Some really wonderful music in this game.
DeathbyVolcano
Banned
Pseudo_Sam
Survives without air, food, or water
There's something awesome about http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwzC9HoFAEM&feature=related
DeathbyVolcano
Banned
Definitely among the best overworld themes in the Zelda series.
My favorites:
1) THE Overworld theme:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XI0m8bhpWM
2) Sort of the same, and even better I think, just not as timeless. LA's overworld:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxxKG2BYwNY
3) The best 3D overworld theme by far. Wind Waker had I think probably the best overall OST, really captures the feeling of adventuring around the ocean:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGal2fBQ3EM&feature=related
4) Listed many times in this thread, because it rocks:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W_bFLwB0WY
5) The definition of epic, just wish it would've included a few remixes of the older themes in the middle of the arrangement. Still awesome...Twilight Princess' overworld:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_-_0XmbK_g
My favorites:
1) THE Overworld theme:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XI0m8bhpWM
2) Sort of the same, and even better I think, just not as timeless. LA's overworld:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxxKG2BYwNY
3) The best 3D overworld theme by far. Wind Waker had I think probably the best overall OST, really captures the feeling of adventuring around the ocean:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGal2fBQ3EM&feature=related
4) Listed many times in this thread, because it rocks:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W_bFLwB0WY
5) The definition of epic, just wish it would've included a few remixes of the older themes in the middle of the arrangement. Still awesome...Twilight Princess' overworld:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_-_0XmbK_g
rollingstart
Banned
Do engine upgrades for your train speed it up any? it doesn't show any stats.
Scythesurge
Member
Man has the tone of this thread changed over the past few days.
Mr. Wonderful
Member
What? The looping in this song made me want to punch myself.Pseudo_Sam said:
DeathbyVolcano
Banned
Same as always.
I just beat the first dungeon and I realise it was the first one, but it was incredibly short and I was a bit disappointed when I got the new item just for killing some standard enemies, not a mini-boss like usual.
I do love the nods to Wind Waker though like the mentions of Tetra and Link being from Outset Village.
I hope WW Link gets mentioned soon or they at least say what happened to him, so far he hasn't been mentioned at all and it looks like he hasn't had any effect on the world outside of the royal guard uniform being based on his clothes.
I do love the nods to Wind Waker though like the mentions of Tetra and Link being from Outset Village.
I hope WW Link gets mentioned soon or they at least say what happened to him, so far he hasn't been mentioned at all and it looks like he hasn't had any effect on the world outside of the royal guard uniform being based on his clothes.
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Deleted member 30609
Unconfirmed Member
hey, I try, but most people aren't up to where I'm up to, so it isn't easy. Most people still haven't finished, I guess.Amir0x said:
DeathbyVolcano
Banned
I'm gonna wait for drinky's inevitable shit-blasting of the game, whether it be warranted or not (most likely not). That will surely start the discussion.
Played through until finishing the first part of the spirit tower. It's definitely warming up to me more than PH did, and I liked that game.
Also got a real kick out of the whole scene in the spirit tower with
Oh and all I can say to the change in rolling mechanics is "thank god"
Also got a real kick out of the whole scene in the spirit tower with
Zelda freaking out about her body and telling Link how she'll stay there and wait for him because it's a "tradition" for her ancestors to do so. And her reaction afterwards when she's told she actually has to help Link out.
Oh and all I can say to the change in rolling mechanics is "thank god"
GeneralIroh
Member
nice tracks but lol no TWW ost was as good or as bad as TP. OOT has the best overall ost.BrandNew said:
Anyway here are my favorites
Best of TP:
Queen Rutela Theme
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7QVDBNPxMM
Boss Room Calm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFZ80ZXqKB0
midna's desperate hour
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pt9v...D5EBF2CC&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=27
hidden village
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVpH...6591867A&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=16
Lake Hylia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCCdv2YqrrE&feature=related
worst of TP
Diababa
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6Ys-Ih9ph0
Fyrus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9M7PTf0B00M
random enemy encounter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXAFE-rLv3Y
The clown music in TP
Best of TWW:
Dragon Roost
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsKyvCeRC7o
Molgera:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNJydQieF5w&feature=related
Worst of TWW:
Puppet Gannon Spider mode
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgjzkSMewNU&feature=PlayList&p=1DBF1332EBC34BEA&index=7
Gohma 1st half
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2DtuqMQGjw
Gohma 2nd half
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQv2Qrh_55g&feature=related
viciouskillersquirrel
Member
I fully want to discuss the game, but everybody who gets it seems to blaze through it in a matter of hours and I'm wary of spoilers, so I haven't been reading a lot of posts. I've only just left the Spirit Tower for the first time.Amir0x said:
I loved the little references to past games though, like
the stained-glass window of Tetra, WW/PH Niko being an old man, the royal guard/army wearing the Hero's clothes and what looks like the spinner from TP.
I think Chancellor Cole might
be a Minish - at least, he had the same colouring as one (yellow skin, pink nose/cheeks, red hair, green clothes) before he went all Phoenix Wright and revealed his true form.
This Zelda is also shaping up to be one of the best sidekicks ever.
DeathbyVolcano
Banned
GeneralIroh said:
Nah, you're crazy. Outset Island, overworld, Dragon Roost, Forest Haven, Windfall, all the various dungeon themes, Hyrule Castle, etc. Ocarina's is great as well, sure, but it's overworld theme is not memorable. I feel like TWW's OST is much more fitting than OoT's.
Pseudo_Sam
Survives without air, food, or water
viciouskillersquirrel
Member
ST's OST is doing pretty well so far. I've been humming the train theme all morning.BrandNew said:
WW was occasionally bland, but when it was good, it was crazy good. The Legendary Hero (prologue) sends chills up my spine.
DeathbyVolcano
Banned
whoops, wrong thread!