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Does The Walking Dead winning GotY at the VGAs meaning anything for the industry?
- Thread starter Archurro
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My favorite game is Rome total war bro. Been playing videogames since muds/ zaxon. Just because I think twd, (which I bought) is a visual novel doesnt mean Im a shootbang guy.
Even If that was the case, I play games for the honing of skills. Learning and getting better online or off is awesome. Honestly I
play everything man. Don't try to typecast people because they called this
It was already announced
Dyni Crippler
Member
Just because you play for skills doesn't mean WD isn't a game. It's a (poor) adventure game with a great story. Unless you want to say stuff like Grim Fandango aren't games.
meltingparappa
Member
The arbitrary walls people are erecting between what constitutes a game and what doesn't is utterly bizarre.
I can't tell the serious posts from the people who have got to be joking.
Maybe if season two has an arbitrary jump button that isn't used for anything, everyone will relax about this heinous attack on their favorite medium.
I can't tell the serious posts from the people who have got to be joking.
Maybe if season two has an arbitrary jump button that isn't used for anything, everyone will relax about this heinous attack on their favorite medium.
Goldenroad
Member
Basically that 5 games just won GOTY. Isn't that kind of weird?
CoffeeJanitor
Member
It means nothing. The VGA's are irrelevant.
Well being a non game is harsh. But I do think this is a poor adventure game. Honestly It gave that monkey island, Indiana jones lucasarts vibe.
Being held in the same class or higher than gameplay focused games is what bothers me.
Dyni Crippler
Member
I can agree that gameplay is poor, but as I've said in the past page there are other reasons why a game can be good.
DidntKnowJack
Member
Other than selling video games, the VGA's have no effect on the industry whatsoever. So, no I don't think so.
I wouldn't call it a "traditional game", it's interactive fiction really.
That said, clearly there was a consensus that it delivered a richer experience than the other games up for GOTY, and in that I agree. Dishonored was pretty good. But TWD definitely left more of an impression.
Personally, I tried Journey and I thought it was some of the most boring shit ever. I didn't "get it". Doesn't mean it's a bad game, but I'm not sure what it is I'm missing.
I think if TWD winning means anything, it's that there is a market for interactive fiction going forward, and I think that is tremendous. I assure you that somebody at Quantic Dream noticed the win, and was very pleased. I paid full price for Heavy Rain, and it was arguably worth it. I don't think they are necessarily $60 experiences due to the lack of replayability, but certainly there's a market for it.
That said, clearly there was a consensus that it delivered a richer experience than the other games up for GOTY, and in that I agree. Dishonored was pretty good. But TWD definitely left more of an impression.
Personally, I tried Journey and I thought it was some of the most boring shit ever. I didn't "get it". Doesn't mean it's a bad game, but I'm not sure what it is I'm missing.
I think if TWD winning means anything, it's that there is a market for interactive fiction going forward, and I think that is tremendous. I assure you that somebody at Quantic Dream noticed the win, and was very pleased. I paid full price for Heavy Rain, and it was arguably worth it. I don't think they are necessarily $60 experiences due to the lack of replayability, but certainly there's a market for it.
It is a fantastic game, very deserving, but the bolded is also a huge factor.
I disagree, the industry is going to start treating it as the premiere award show like the oscars of video games. The media actual takes it more serious then any gaming site awards and companies are already showing world premieres on the show. The fact that gaming companies develop segments with sam jackson and the character of the year stuff simply shows interest. At the end of the day Its free publicity because the ratings is very much impressive. I would like to see actual video game developers hosting and presenting but that is just me.
Xilium
Member
I didn't realize anyone had any issue with considering QWOP a game... Unlike TWD, QWOP relies entirely on gameplay. It's no different than many of the games you will see on app stores (and quite a few retail releases as well) that jettison story, character development, world building, ect. in favor of focusing entirely on an objective and the mechanics necessary to achieve that objective.
I'm typically not even a big fan of gameplay exclusive/intensive games (i.e. Mario games). I like having a story to play along to and interesting characters to interact with along the way. That said, going to the complete opposite end of the spectrum and providing the bare minimum of gameplay (and that bare minimum not being very good), and crowning that as being the finest example of games this year is just, odd.
kOsmikcoffee
Member
You're a fan of the television series? Better not play the game then; it's actually fun, immersive, and the writing is top-notch.
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Deleted member 81567
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I'm glad it won. Some of my friends were saying it shouldn't have won cause it isn't even a game. Get the fuck outta here with that shit, I replied.
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Deleted member 81567
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You don't need deep gameplay mechanics to have something as your GOTY. The story can excel gameplay.
It can but I don't think it does in this case, and when the gameplay is subpar then you might as well watch it on youtube. It would be like calling something Album of the Year because the lyrics were excellent even when everything else wasn't
DidntKnowJack
Member
While I personally wouldn't give GOTY to Walking Dead, it most certainly is a video game. Some of you are being silly.
Is it really so hard to understand that TWD resonated and made a better impression on people than AC3 or ME3? Forget the silly game play amount criteria, that's what actually matters. My top 3 are Journey, Papo & Yo and Darksiders 2, because they hit me at various levels. In two years, I'll probably still have some emotional attachment to those games, and already have forgotten about Halo 4's campaign.
Oh come on.
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Deleted member 81567
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It's not even subpar to be honest, maybe a little basic, but it fits the structure of the game perfectly. Would you prefer a third person shooter?
Dyni Crippler
Member
Watching on Youtube something that implies choices is missing out. It's not completely linear, and it's the choices (in dialogues and not) that give the game an extra boost.
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Deleted member 81567
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One can still argue they can explore every choice on Youtube, but I think that's total bullshit. If you, yourself, aren't experiencing the game and feeling the burden of your choices, then you're doing it all wrong.
iceatcs
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Yeah I don't mind for 3rd person shooter mini game. That will great boost for gameplay quality.
You can have QTE, treasure hunter, and real shooter and many more (drive the train or vehicles ?) in once.
RealDeadOne
Member
Winning GotY is a symptom of the game's massive success.
So the award doesn't mean a whole lot for the industry, but the fact that the game is such a big hit financially and critically is a good sign.
So the award doesn't mean a whole lot for the industry, but the fact that the game is such a big hit financially and critically is a good sign.
Joseph Flemming
Member
Seing how a "game" can be a crossword puzzle, a riddle, chess, or monopoly; games can take many forms. The fact that this one is played with controllers and its distribution method and platforms is on a machine that gives us electronic multimedia capabilities qualifies it to be in the running for the award. If you we're upset that an non electronic visual novel won, it would be justified.
Complaining that a genre that you don't respect as a game doesn't make your definition of a game true.
Congrats TT, now patch those bugs!
thetrin
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That's kind of a shitty thing to say, don't you think?
You never HAVE to play an adventure game, but by hoping that they never make a comeback, you're hoping other gamers are deprived of something they enjoy.
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Deleted member 81567
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Sure, but that would take all the emphasis from the story. This works for a budget title.
It may not change much, but seeing what's essentially a modern take on the point and click adventure genre win on SPIKE of all venues in 2012 is a breath of fresh air. I was half-expecting AC3 to win after it hadn't won a single thing all night, but I'm glad the VGA's board was better than that.
Edit: People arguing that TWD is barely a game? C'mon son.
Edit: People arguing that TWD is barely a game? C'mon son.
slightconfuse
Banned
More visual novels !
Projectjustice
Banned
I played the demo and then proceeded to delete it off my HDD. Its more of a movie than a game. I already watch the TV show, I dont need to watch another version of it. Im happy for Telltale for winning, good for them but its still not a game.
Don't worry, the people in question simply do not know what constitutes a definition. At some point they will need to learn what a definition is, so no worries.
Kind of this. The video game industry often seems like they'd rather be elsewhere. Usually in movies.
The 3rd person shooter segments in TWD were the weakest link in the game.
You would write it out, just as the scriptwriter(s) originally did. My point is that 999 (and TWD) would lose a lot of what makes it great if it were presented in the form of a [non-interactive] novel. That is, the story -- divorced of the graphics, the music, the interactivity -- isn't that great.
FYI, there are paper-based interactive fiction novels significantly more complex than CYOA. Life's Lottery (by Kim Newman) is one I would recommend to fans of ZE:999.
Phoenixazure
Member
What is gameplay? If gameplay is classified as any sort of interaction with the game world, then the Walking Dead is a great game because the interactive elements *Making timed decisions* complimented the narrative,setting and enhanced a lot of the key moments happening throughout the game (as small or arbitrary that interaction is)
If gameplay has to meet a specific level of fidelity to be considered gameplay, then The Walking Dead will never be able to measure up due to the simplicity of the interactivity the game offers (timed and rapid button presses, choosing multiple options to branch the narrative for one point or another, and a fail state which happens when a player fails the former)
Its a fidelity argument. I think The Walking Dead is game of the year because of the its interactive moments (however simple they are) enhanced the narrative the game was going for with flying colors. Those narrative choices helped develop an attachment between Lee and many key characters. Those timed button presses helped convey the sense of urgency when those actions happened. The rapid button presses went along with high tension moments when your character is struggling. All those very simple actions helped the player feel what the main character feels, and that's why it succeeds as a GAME. I would argue the story wouldn't be as memorable or effective if it was watched simply as a movie or tv show.
This is all in my opinion though, and I'm not as good as Id like to be as far as explaining things, but there.
If gameplay has to meet a specific level of fidelity to be considered gameplay, then The Walking Dead will never be able to measure up due to the simplicity of the interactivity the game offers (timed and rapid button presses, choosing multiple options to branch the narrative for one point or another, and a fail state which happens when a player fails the former)
Its a fidelity argument. I think The Walking Dead is game of the year because of the its interactive moments (however simple they are) enhanced the narrative the game was going for with flying colors. Those narrative choices helped develop an attachment between Lee and many key characters. Those timed button presses helped convey the sense of urgency when those actions happened. The rapid button presses went along with high tension moments when your character is struggling. All those very simple actions helped the player feel what the main character feels, and that's why it succeeds as a GAME. I would argue the story wouldn't be as memorable or effective if it was watched simply as a movie or tv show.
This is all in my opinion though, and I'm not as good as Id like to be as far as explaining things, but there.
DeaconKnowledge
Member
Nope.
If there was a way to prove this either way I would love to bet against you for this. Mainstream award shows boost performance of sales for music and movies. Why can't the same thing happen for games?
