Freezie KO
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First they intentionally leak their new console, and then they do a stealth conference right under GAF's nose. That wily Nintendo!
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Wii 2 (Project Cafe): Officially Announced, Playable At E3, Launching 2012 [Updated]
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Stephen Colbert said:
In your strange parallel Universe, the Colbert Wii would have had to have matched the power of the 360/PS3 or it would have gained nothing with respect of the 3rd party situation. It would also have had to have a harddrive for the same reason. Or a large amount of flash storage, which would have been unreasonable at the time.
So in conclusion, it would have been very costly. Lost Nintendo money. And cooked itself to death, destroying Nintendo's reputation for family friendly reliable hardware.
Now, you are doing your dog/bone thing again when this thread is trying to get back on topic again with what is going on in this Universe.
EricDiesel
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I really don't get this gamer obsession with fiscal success and who "wins" a generation. I only care about developers that matter supporting a platform. I guess I'm just lucky I could afford all 3 consoles and a decent PC. But really, people put too much stock in sales figures. Personally, I only care about quality experiences.
http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/04/26/nintendo_million_sellers/
NSMB Wii almost at 22 million and Donkey Kong CR at almost 5 million.
NSMB Wii almost at 22 million and Donkey Kong CR at almost 5 million.
Sadist said:http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/04/26/nintendo_million_sellers/
NSMB Wii almost at 22 million and Donkey Kong CR at almost 5 million.
Great for Retro!
Chuck Norris
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That's a big call. 80 million in the next 2 years?agrajag said:
I'd say 30 million from 360 the way it is selling faster than ever, and PS3 yet to drop to a mass market price.... Seems a little more likely. That works out to an average of 1.25 million world wide per month. Very doable if Holiday sales continue to be huge.
Freezie KO
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mj1108 said:
I can't wait to find out on Twitter that Project Cafe was released last holiday season.
Net_Wrecker
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Freezie KO said:
:lol this had me dying for some reason.
Stephen Colbert
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No new info on the controller/ipad hybrid is a huge disappointment.
DECK'ARD, you do realize that there are versions of the 360 out there without a hard drive don't you? And you do realize that those 360s are all also perfectly capable of running every game?
DECK'ARD, you do realize that there are versions of the 360 out there without a hard drive don't you? And you do realize that those 360s are all also perfectly capable of running every game?
Death Dealer
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Stephen Colbert said:
Yeah they played it a little too safe. Nintendo didn't even know how successful Wii and its motion controls would turn out, so they tried to maximize profit from day one. On launch day, a Wii probably didn't even cost $150 to manufacture. But I agree with your thesis, had they made the system more powerful, not necessarily PS360 powerful, but not 1.5x a GC, and launched at a similar price point of $250, which they could have done and still earned profit selling the hw, they may well have earned even more revenue from additional hw and software sales and Wii could have rivaled PS2 for best system of all time. Of course it's all in hindsight and a bit pointless to debate now.
jufonuk
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probably been guessed at (haven't had time to look through all the pages) but ono was talking about the 3DS connecting to project cafe meaning SSFIV on project Cafe?? of SSFIV:AE?
ohhh SSFIV:AE on cafe...3DS downloads extra characters? that's it 3DS SSFIV 3Ded:AE -that's a lot of letters- then?
ohhh SSFIV:AE on cafe...3DS downloads extra characters? that's it 3DS SSFIV 3Ded:AE -that's a lot of letters- then?
Graphics Horse
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jufonuk said:
It's not out for a year or more... more likely NGP.
Chuck Norris
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Wii sales have bottomed out, and will bottom out even further now that the next gen system has been announced. Isn't it the worst selling system in every territory now?confuziz said:
Stephen Colbert
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Chuck Norris said:
I would hope for Nintendo's sake that they are atleast managing to top the 5 or so copies of the Xbox 360 sold every month in Japan.
Stephen Colbert said:
You just don't get it, do you?
You are assuming that they would be able to include a better implementation of cpu and gpu, yet still bundle in the motion controllers and offer it at $249, and still make a profit.
Yet, Microsoft created exactly what you are pushing here, less the motion controller, and was selling at a loss.
Can you imagine what kind of losses Nintendo would be taking if they went down your path and offered what you are asking?
If they could offer all that for $249, then why is the X360 with Kinect bundle and the PS3 with Move bundle selling for $400 today? Why are they not selling all this for $249 and making a profit?
Chuck Norris said:
I never said that, I gave a 4 year timeline for Cafe. I also expect Wii to sell around 30 mill in the next five years. Wii 30 mill + Cafe 45 mill in 4 years, total lifetime to date for both consoles: 160 mill. That's a pretty conservative estimation for Cafe.
Chuck Norris said:
Yes but they are still expecting at least 10 million sales for this fiscal year. With the price cut coming and possibly some more interesting games this is not unrealistic. It also means the 2 years after that it is at least going to sell 10-15 million (7 in 2012 and 4-5? in 2013). It isn't just going to stop you know.
Wtf is this thread about? Has any info been released yet? All I can see is people arguing about shit that was thrashed like a dead horse years ago.
Well that's a relief for me at least. I wasn't looking forward to some of the buttons on a touchpad talk that was floating around
Well that's a relief for me at least. I wasn't looking forward to some of the buttons on a touchpad talk that was floating around
Stephen Colbert
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There was barely anything revealed at the investigator's meeting 
Spike, like I said, the Gamecube was being sold for a retail price of $99 by Christmas of 2002, while still eeking out a small profit for Nintendo.
In 2006 (a full four years later), they could have easily used that same gamecube gpu and cpu in atleast a dual core configuration, probably even a triple or quad core configuration, and still managed to keep the costs of the console under $200, and sold it retail for $250.
They would have wound up with something signficiantly more powerful, capable of 720p and without breaking the bank.
Spike, like I said, the Gamecube was being sold for a retail price of $99 by Christmas of 2002, while still eeking out a small profit for Nintendo.
In 2006 (a full four years later), they could have easily used that same gamecube gpu and cpu in atleast a dual core configuration, probably even a triple or quad core configuration, and still managed to keep the costs of the console under $200, and sold it retail for $250.
They would have wound up with something signficiantly more powerful, capable of 720p and without breaking the bank.
EricDiesel
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We have always been at war with Eurasia... I mean... Nintendo.
Stephen Colbert
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What exactly is there to discuss? There wasnt' anything actually announced.
TekkenMaster
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So the Big Secret about Cafe isn't the vitality sensor.
Good.
Good.
Wolves Evolve
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Stephen Colbert said:There was barely anything revealed at the investigator's meeting
Spike, like I said, the Gamecube was being sold for a retail price of $99 by Christmas of 2002, while still eeking out a small profit for Nintendo.
In 2006 (a full four years later), they could have easily used that same gamecube gpu and cpu in atleast a dual core configuration, probably even a triple or quad core configuration, and still managed to keep the costs of the console under $200, and sold it retail for $250.
They would have wound up with something signficiantly more powerful, capable of 720p and without breaking the bank.
Stop.
You're wrong.
You've been proven wrong.
Stop talking.
Freezie KO
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Stephen Colbert said:
Anything else.
Stephen Colbert
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It sounded like they couldn't get the vitality sensor working with more than 80% of the population, so they scrapped it for now, till they can get it to be usable by more people.
Is that how you guys are interpreting it too?
Is that how you guys are interpreting it too?
Stephen Colbert said:There was barely anything revealed at the investigator's meeting
Spike, like I said, the Gamecube was being sold for a retail price of $99 by Christmas of 2002, while still eeking out a small profit for Nintendo.
In 2006 (a full four years later), they could have easily used that same gamecube gpu and cpu in atleast a dual core configuration, probably even a triple or quad core configuration, and still managed to keep the costs of the console under $200, and sold it retail for $250.
They would have wound up with something signficiantly more powerful, capable of 720p and without breaking the bank.
So now on top of not knowing what the hell you're talking about on the business side you actually show that you don't know what the hell you're talking about on the tech side?
protip :
IBM power pc is what's powering the GC/Wii,
the dual/quad core version of that processor is actually powering the 360 (along with another branch that lead to the Cell).
Seriously drop it now, there's no shame in letting this thread die until we get new info.
Freezie KO
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szaromir said:
Literally not working. That's what the Twitter feed of the conference made it sound like. As if they don't want to release it until it's a reliable product for 99% of the population, rather than 80%. Maybe we're just living with 20% zombies?
Stephen Colbert
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Not sure, I can't read japanese.
But it doesn't really matter anyways. What matter is that for now, it seems like it's been scrapped.
But it doesn't really matter anyways. What matter is that for now, it seems like it's been scrapped.
Stephen Colbert
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Mael said:
Again, you're ignoring the facts.
It is a fact that the Gamecube was being sold for a mere $99 just an year or two into it's life.
It is a fact that the Wii launched at $249, a full four years later, with an overclocked version of what's in the game cube.
Basic math dictates that they could have roughly doubled the transistor count, or hell just stuck dual GC cpus and GC gpus in the thing , and still kept the cost under $200. That is at the bare minimum, given the four year gap, they probably could've done a hell of a lot more than that.
Claiming that Wii couldn't be anymore powerful than it was and manufactured for less than $249 or even $199 is just outright delusional. The components in it are a hell of a lot cheaper than that.
Wolves Evolve
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Stephen Colbert said:
This is now a mental health issue. Please stop.
eso76
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manueldelalas said:
Uhh. No, there's still LOTS of room for improvement with 3d graphics, and a lot of improvements that wouldn't even require more work from devs (IQ, lighting etc).
And 2D peaked with NeoGeo ??? Would some of you guys stop considering a machine that could output 320x240 graphics with 4096 colors and some 96 sprites on screen, 3 parallax layers and no transparencies STILL the pinnacle of 2d graphics ?
You might have not noticed because devs stopped making 2d games and people stopped caring, but we're lightyears beyond what a neogeo could offer. And we've been for, like 15 years.
Stephen Colbert
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I picked mine up for $99 over the holidays of 2002. It was regularly sold for that price throughout 2003. But I see the price wasn't officially dropped till Sept 2003. Regardless whether it's three years or four years, the point is the same.
The wii could've been quite a bit more powerful than it was and still sold for a profit.
You've been added to my ignore list. I suggest you do likewise rather than repeatedly troll my posts with inane statements.
The wii could've been quite a bit more powerful than it was and still sold for a profit.
Wolves Evolve said:
You've been added to my ignore list. I suggest you do likewise rather than repeatedly troll my posts with inane statements.
Wolves Evolve
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Stephen Colbert said:
With pleasure, you ill, ill person.
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