cartoon_soldier
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There is footage?
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Elder Scrolls Online Game Informer Details
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There is footage?
Star Wars, for all the hate it gets, justifiable or not, at least had some things it tried that were new and different and (I think) improved the genre even. Even for the most inane of quests, the dialoguing that went with it was great and it's hard to go back to WoW and quest and not feel like you're in 2004. The companions and the love interests there, their story, a unique story for every class, all things I think TOR brought to the genre as a whole.
And what does Elder Scrolls bring? A TBC era list of bulletpoints and vague allusions to maybe the PvP being as good as you remember DAoC's to be because there's totally these two dudes who worked on DAoC on the Elder Scrolls dev team.
At least other MMO's released after WoW tried to blow smoke up our asses with their half baked features and and delusions of grandeur. The PR on this one couldn't even come up with completely made up bullshit that, at the very least, sounded remotely interesting. Like their designer said "eh, I got nothin', just run with it".
And what does Elder Scrolls bring? A TBC era list of bulletpoints and vague allusions to maybe the PvP being as good as you remember DAoC's to be because there's totally these two dudes who worked on DAoC on the Elder Scrolls dev team.
At least other MMO's released after WoW tried to blow smoke up our asses with their half baked features and and delusions of grandeur. The PR on this one couldn't even come up with completely made up bullshit that, at the very least, sounded remotely interesting. Like their designer said "eh, I got nothin', just run with it".
maniac-kun
Member
My favorite so far is:
BeTESdenburg
BeTESdenburg
mysteriousmage09
Member
Everywhere I look, nobody wants this shit. Hell, even majority people on the official Elder Scrolls Online forums don't want it.
Sounds about like the people who didn't want Final Fantasy XI when it was announced. Turns out that it was the last great Final Fantasy game to be released.
Alpha-Bromega
Member
what is even the purpose of the existence of this unnecessary wart of a game? Who were they trying to entice here? Clearly not MMO fans, they have other MMO's. Clearly not TES fans, they have real TES games.
The RPG experience of TES is literally one of a kind, it's a genre of its own, and they want to fist fuck the rich experience into the most generic, tired and not to the strenghts of the genre fitting format that even Star Wars could barely do with TOR?
You can't just keep reskinning WoW over and over again with different themes
The RPG experience of TES is literally one of a kind, it's a genre of its own, and they want to fist fuck the rich experience into the most generic, tired and not to the strenghts of the genre fitting format that even Star Wars could barely do with TOR?
You can't just keep reskinning WoW over and over again with different themes
Interrobang
Member
Although looking through those first screenshots was like a bullet to the heart, I agree with this. I've been whining to my friends all day about the Hero Engine and the design not even being TES-related, but I whined about FFXI and even hated it during my 30-day trial with the PS2 HDD.
Afterwards it was the only MMO/game I played for 5 years.
PairOfFilthySocks
Member
The art style in the screenshots make me wonder if this was originally not called Elder Scrolls Online and just had the Elder Scrolls IP thrown onto it.
My favorite so far is:
BeTESdenburg
Star Wars is familiar with these assertions.
After all, BioWare is the architect of the ToRTanic.
maniac-kun
Member
The marketing team fails too:
Is this for real?
Damn, I felt that shit. :lol
Bethesda's gameplay is pretty bad as well, but huge, detailed, sandbox worlds and mods are why I play the Elder Scrolls series. MMO-style basically kills that.
I can't wait to see what excuse/lore they come up when Cyrodiil still isn't a jungle.
Laughing so hard, ty sir.
Most WoW-like MMOs. You press a number for an attack or skill and wait a second or two for it to happen.
WoW, SWTOR. As opposed to, say, Planetside Online which is a MMOFPS, yes?
Right, so i'm late. Ideally you don't need to wait that second, or even half a second... though i swear i haven't had lag free day in SWTOR, unlike in WoW.
CambriaRising
Member
You would think it would be cheaper to just put like 4-8 player co-op in ES6 and call it a day. At least then they could have avoided putting millions into a stillborn product.
mysteriousmage09
Member
The marketing team fails too:
haha holy shit
What in god's fuck.
I can only imagine the weeks before they had to make this reveal; the realization that WoW-types are declining in favor and popularity and profitability, the debut of a fresher combat experience in TERA and Guild Wars 2 and the upcoming TITAN, which, by the way, is Blizzard's way of saying that even they are getting off the WoW train pretty soon, the realization that the HERO Engine is... subpar (putting it mildly) at best, that not even STAR WARS in the traditional MMO format can keep subs up reliably AND that its method of having fully voiced dialogue renders it quite difficult to be profitable, and so on and so forth.
But even though the announcement would earn them a nice, slow hatefucking with a barbed mallet, they knew they had no choice; somehow 2007 disappeared and now, in 2012, they have to show off a HEROic WoWClone with barely any TES elements and boring hotkeyed combat, full of fully voiced dialogue at an E3 with people still hyped about the upcoming retail release of games like Guild Wars 2 and salty as all fuck about THIS ONE, and make people like it enough to buy it and pay monthly for it when it comes out in 2013, which may or may not be a TITAN beta year.
I do not envy them their position.
I can only imagine the weeks before they had to make this reveal; the realization that WoW-types are declining in favor and popularity and profitability, the debut of a fresher combat experience in TERA and Guild Wars 2 and the upcoming TITAN, which, by the way, is Blizzard's way of saying that even they are getting off the WoW train pretty soon, the realization that the HERO Engine is... subpar (putting it mildly) at best, that not even STAR WARS in the traditional MMO format can keep subs up reliably AND that its method of having fully voiced dialogue renders it quite difficult to be profitable, and so on and so forth.
But even though the announcement would earn them a nice, slow hatefucking with a barbed mallet, they knew they had no choice; somehow 2007 disappeared and now, in 2012, they have to show off a HEROic WoWClone with barely any TES elements and boring hotkeyed combat, full of fully voiced dialogue at an E3 with people still hyped about the upcoming retail release of games like Guild Wars 2 and salty as all fuck about THIS ONE, and make people like it enough to buy it and pay monthly for it when it comes out in 2013, which may or may not be a TITAN beta year.
I do not envy them their position.
Deified Data
Banned
IMO, this is for the best. People will always think they want a TES MMO because, well, it sounds "right". It sounds like a franchise that would make the transition well. Fans want it, devs want to make it...I think it's for the best that they realize sooner rather than later what a stinker it'll be so we can just move on with our lives and forget such nonsense. I don't want TES:O to be cancelled - I want it to release, and to fail miserably. I can predict no better outcome for the series.
The problem in keeping quiet for as long as possible means there's no real way to gauge reaction to your product until its too late. I'm expecting some worried expressions over at Zenimax today.
When your very announcement is met with derision, you are truly, truly fucked.
Boss Man
Member
I agree 100% with this post, but wasn't FFXI at least a little bit unique? FFXI went in its own direction and turned out to be a pretty damn solid MMO and a great online venue for fans of the franchise (a last bastion, even). I don't think it's fair to write this game off because of third person, no real time combat, and stuff like not being able to fly on a dragon...but I understand the backlash for it being a WoW clone. I mean, it doesn't look the least bit interesting from any standpoint other than being an MMO in TES universe, and then it seems like it's even shitting on that.
Everything about this and the angle that Zenimax is approaching it from just seems completely wrong. I mean, "1000's of players all prophesied to be the hero hurrr." was so easy to avoid in an Elder Scrolls MMO. And why not let players join factions freely, perhaps with just a few race restrictions? The Nord-Dunmer-Argonian thing is still irking me really bad. It's just so lazy. Oh, and their solution to multiple players completing important quests is going back in time. Again, extremely lazy.
Interrobang
Member
Unfortunately, when you're this deep in, and whether they do it consciously, they'll probably all be stricken with "haters gonna hate" syndrome.
They'll just find the 6 people that haven't bitched about the logical shortcomings and say these are the true fans.
Damn, what a failure of a reveal.
I won't comment on the lore side, but on the gameplay side all the bulletpoints in the OP make me wonder why they removed everything I like in Elder Scrolls games. I mean 'no player housing'? It reads like a huge troll post. I guess it's okay if they're making a generic fantasy MMO ('looks like everquest'??), but I don't think that cuts it in 201X
I was excited for games using Hero Engine... in the 90s. Seriously though, it sucks, stop using it please.
I'm no game designer, but every idea I can come up with that would equal an interesting online experience for this franchise pushes it in the opposite direction of what's been announced. More like EVE and UO for starters, a sandbox for people to create their own stories and storylines in.
I think that's what makes this announcement more disappointing than anything else - the potential for an open, make your own fun online experience in Tamriel is inherently intriguing. Just because ZeniMax decided to follow in the footsteps of WoW, LOTR, D&D, Conan, Rift, Warhammer, etc. doesn't make online TES a bad idea, but it certainly makes me grow even more weary of the inherently addictive and barely iterative design philosophy all those games are based on.
At least the series will continue unaffected at Bethesda proper, so if this indeed the trainwreck it appears it could be we can all ignore it and be none the lesser for it.
mysteriousmage09
Member
If they followed SWG, Ultima Online, etc. sandbox route and used a proper engine, the game would be fine. Instead they followed WoW, DAOC, and GW2 and while those games work, it doesn't fit Elder Scrolls in any regard. By going this route, they effectively destroyed everything that makes Elder Scrolls...Elder Scrolls. From the combat, to restricted class system that takes away the freedom of the skill based system, to the lack of housing and other iconic features of the series. You name it, they fucked it up. Down to the engine that's very name pisses people the fuck off.
They shouldn't have kept this secret for 5 years and now the verdict is out, people don't want this shit, and there isn't a damn thing they can do.
Hard-coded factions are much lazier than systems which promote similar motivations and activities that a hard-coded faction would, but that doesn't cut your player base in half (or in this case, thirds).
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I really think the best hope for this game is some sort of of F2P scheme, because what's supposed to draw people away from WoW/TOR/Tera/Rift and into TESO?
Not that I think GW2 is particularly good, but that game's just straight up free, outside of the box and a small cash store. How's TESO supposed to compete with that if it's Pay to Play?
Deified Data
Banned
Hah, and it's not even out yet. I'm sure they're used to the positive hype machine followed by negative backlash when the product doesn't meet the hype. The best Zenimax can hope for is negative hype leading up to release, followed by a lukewarm response. Or the game really could be as bad as everyone thinks it'll be. Maybe worse.
*Seinfeldleavinghisseat.gif* Just all my WHY.gifs here.
Unless it runs better than TOR (which I doubt it will) you can officially count me out and I was hyped as hell to travel the whole world of Tamariel even if I had to pay to play online for it.
Deified Data
Banned
For what it's worth, Bethesda has engineered vast departures from the TES formula before. Redguard, Shadowkey, etc. TES:O will likely join their ranks in the annals of forgotten TES experiments. Only question is how long it'll take.
The marketing team fails too:
I'm sure they mean between Skyrim (the game) and Morrowind (the game). But yeah, it's dumb. Morrowind isn't even the first game.
From High Rock to Black Marsh would be a better analogy, but who the fuck knows about those?
*Seinfeldleavinghisseat.gif* Just all my WHY.gifs here.
Unless it runs better than TOR (which I doubt it will) you can officially count me out and I was hyped as hell to travel the whole world of Tamariel even if I had to pay to play online for it.
Looks like arena is as close as you can get. Not sure how far the Tamriel Rebuilt project got.
Pinko Marx
Banned
People have been asking for a TES MMO for a while. TES has pretty much everything an MMO could need. Plenty of lore, a large variety of races, a huge, diverse landscape, etc.
Thing is it seems like the developers are taking the easy way out and going for lowest common denominator here. Dat WoW market, which I think will prove to be disasterous.
This hardly looks like TES so fans won't be jumping in. People that want WoW already have WoW and hundres of WoW clones. GW2 and Tera are on the horizon so people that want something new are gunna flock to those.
I don't see where this game fits into the market.
Open Source
Banned
Cookie cutter MMO with Elder Scrolls lore? Pass.
How does shit like this even get green lit? This looks absolutely horrific and completely generic. So with SWTOR falling short of expectations and this Elder Scrolls MMO assuredly a flop, will we finally start seeing the end of generic WoW-clone trash?
If they wanted to provide a sense of player freedom like Skyrim, this would be been a perfect opportunity to implement a player-drive game ALA EVE with "easy" mechanics of a standard MMO. Instead of critically thinking about game design, we just get another IP-ruining piece of shit that will hold people's interest for a few months at most.
If they wanted to provide a sense of player freedom like Skyrim, this would be been a perfect opportunity to implement a player-drive game ALA EVE with "easy" mechanics of a standard MMO. Instead of critically thinking about game design, we just get another IP-ruining piece of shit that will hold people's interest for a few months at most.
HarryDemeanor
Member
The screenshots look interesting. I'll give it a shot when closed/open beta rolls around.
Sapphire Dreams
Member
Okay why make an Elder Scrolls MMO when you take out most of the things that made ES games great ?
Well the main problem is that they started this project 5 years ago before WoW and WoW clones completely drained the life out of that design. Their problem was not seeing the writing on the wall and steering the direction another way once it was clear that every other WoW clone released in the past 5 years was a total flop. Maybe it was too late and the money was already spent and the investors liked the WoW clone idea too much.
Disappointing all the same.
Disappointing all the same.
Hero Engine doesn't allow for innovation.