The constraint on it is the sensitivity in the game. You get some more fine control with the mouse but turn speed is going to be the same as a controller with a maxed sensitivity, since youre basically just emulating stick movement to mouse movement.
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Xbox One adapter unlocks support for mouse and keyboard, DS4 and more controllers
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The constraint on it is the sensitivity in the game. You get some more fine control with the mouse but turn speed is going to be the same as a controller with a maxed sensitivity, since youre basically just emulating stick movement to mouse movement.
You people seriously think that the Xbox One using a Wii U Pro controller is some latent ability that Microsoft gated access out of?
There were plenty of KBM converters for the last generation of consoles as well.
iJudged
Banned
What about stick sensitivity adjustment? I can see what you are trying to say, this is something I will have to try though.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
Keyboard and mouse on a console shooter? My horns are already growing >
It's already been debunked with some snark, but games designed for a gamepad aren't going to suddenly have great 1:1 mouse free-look and acceleration guys.
intheinbetween
Member
is this thread title correct? I mean, I get this is an add-on not a mod, isn't it?
BigDaddyFatSack
Banned
Nothing a little patch can't fix and block this mod.
iJudged
Banned
Awesome, please do thanks.
terrific. i'll be watching this thread carefully. if you have access to some wheels it would be great if you could test those as well.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
Less than 1% of the userbase would even use m&kb even if the option was there. And no, for reasons listed above.
The big news here is bc for fight pads and racing wheels.
This. I heard that so far, Madkatz is the only company that is allowed to release fightsticks for the Xbone.
So why not just give the option up front?
Noisepurge
Member
Didn't last gen either? Converters were available.
Good to hear. See a console "modded" so early is worrying.
silver.tongue
Member
Well these consoles are basically PCs now, I expected modding and Piracy to happen a lot sooner than last gen.
dragonelite
Member
So they are just conversing HID scancodes?
Totaly a Duder
Banned
M$ won't let this stand, expect a firmware update asap that will brick all consoles that uses this.
^^^They didn't care about Xims on the 360, I sincerely doubt that will happen.
Yes, you have to do that to get it to work properly, but you can adjust the sensitivity via the Xim's own software.
Yes, you have to do that to get it to work properly, but you can adjust the sensitivity via the Xim's own software.
No. It is a peripheral.
Marvel
could never
Doubt that.
Patch out whatever device you are using sure, but not a console brick.
Ludicrous Speed
Banned
Wow, this is awesome! I probably would never use it but it's cool that this is available (for now)
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
It's totally leet hax, bro. Don't get your console banned.
This is not a mod and the title should be updated!
This is potentially great for us stick owners who don't want to get scammed out another $200 to rebuy what we already have (Sanwa sticks and Sanwa buttons).
I wonder if M$ can ban it (I bet they'll claim it's to avoid cheating, lying greedy bastards..)
Let me use my goddamned USB stick already! the U stands for UNIVERSAL you ...you...
Ok, I'm going to stop now because I'm upset.
Edit: Goddamn. The adapter costs $60 ? Ridiculous! Call me when it's $30 or cheaper...
This is potentially great for us stick owners who don't want to get scammed out another $200 to rebuy what we already have (Sanwa sticks and Sanwa buttons).
I wonder if M$ can ban it (I bet they'll claim it's to avoid cheating, lying greedy bastards..)
Let me use my goddamned USB stick already! the U stands for UNIVERSAL you ...you...
Ok, I'm going to stop now because I'm upset.
Edit: Goddamn. The adapter costs $60 ? Ridiculous! Call me when it's $30 or cheaper...
gregor7777
Banned
It's not a mod, and it doesn't "unlock" anything.
That Wont Fit In There
Member
That's cool. I want a ps4 mod so I can use that beautiful one controller.
Just a quick FYI, This isn't a mod, it doesn't chnge the XB1 at all, it's already working on PS360/Wii and already has a ps4 proof of concept video so will be coming to PS4 too, This is a standard adapter.
Microsoft won't brick your console fr this because they don't do it to the x360 and it's been working on 360 for a long time.
Just relax people.
Microsoft won't brick your console fr this because they don't do it to the x360 and it's been working on 360 for a long time.
Just relax people.
What exactly is different about this gen vs last gen with regards to this paradigm?
I see no difference at all....
Oppo
Member
Yeah, I do. It's a USB port, and USB input devices have standard HID commands that are fairly universal. While it's not considered proper support (adjusted for each controller's quirks), yeah, MS definitely blocked this functionality.
I could plug a Wacom tablet into a PS3 and use it to scroll through the XMB. Because they didn't gate off the normal HID signals.
sixteen-bit
Member
Nice, a way to use 360 arcade sticks on X1 for Killer Instinct.
Sons Of Anarchy
Banned
No doubt MS patches this so the mod doesn't work right ?
I'm guessing it just sends the same signals a xbone controller would send, so unless they can add additional authentication that works with existing controllers there is hope that they might not be able to. They likely can somehow, but hopefully they don't because this isn't hurting them much and it'd be great to use my 360 fightstick.
Senor Kami
Banned
Outside of the Wii U, what systems let you use last-gen controllers?
old
Member
MS has to fix this or I will not buy an Xbox One. The reason I play online shooters on consoles is because like many others I'm very good with sticks. I will not put myself at a significant competitive disadvantage by playing against K/M players while I use sticks. If I can't trust that my competition is playing on sticks like I am then I have no reason to buy the XO version.
If this isn't fixed then I'll be very persuaded to play on the PS4 if they have better protection for stick players.
If this isn't fixed then I'll be very persuaded to play on the PS4 if they have better protection for stick players.
You could do this with PS3 and xbox360 too with GIMX http://blog.gimx.fr. They are working on PS4 support.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
Well, in the past, you could use PlayStation controllers on a PS2 and it would work for most games if they didn't require the analog face buttons. You could also use Master System games on a Genesis / Mega Drive, and I think Atari 2600 controllers on an Atari 7800? Documents show the Sega Saturn was actually designed with support for Genesis / Mega Drive controllers, but obviously there's no way to hook them up physically.
Vigilant Gambit
Member
Tons of misinformation bouncing around in this thread, so I'm gonna try to clear up some things based on what I know/suspect.
- This is a converter, not a mod. This will not lead to Xbone "hacks." This will not aid piracy. This will not aid homebrew. Thread title is misleading and should be changed to something like "Xbox One USB converter unlocks support for KB&M, DS4 and more."
- This converter works as a passthrough. I can't be 100% sure, but it should essentially work like a pad hack for an arcade stick; a legit Xbone controller is used for authentication, while the converter takes the input signals from whatever you have, converts the value into what the Xbone expects, then sends it to the console. The "scan for inputs, then convert, then send" step may introduce some lag, although lagless converters are already available for PS3 and 360. However, the authentication should mean that the console will not be able to tell the difference between a CronusMAX and an Xbone controller, so it will likely not be patched out. That is an assumption, however.
- The advantage of using a mouse instead of an analog stick to aim comes from the fact that games use translation data from the absolute position of a mouse over time to calculate how far, and in what direction, to aim. Your mouse is at point Y; 1 ms later, it is at point Z; it moved X amount in W direction, so that is how much your aim should be adjusted right now. On an analog stick, you move the stick, and your aim is altered by a fixed amount every time the game updates depending on how far the stick is from center. Your aim speed increases from slow to fast at the same time. On a mouse, your aim speed is as fast as you can move your mouse. The key is this: changing the input method does not change the interpretation method. The game will not suddenly aim as fast as you can move your mouse just because you used a converter instead of a gamepad. Even if you throw your mouse across the mousepad as fast as you can, your aim will never move faster than it would if you simply held the analog stick at the edge of its rotation. Thus, there is no advantage for mouse and keyboard players using a converter over gamepad players.
And for some conjecture...
There is little practical reason for MS to not, at least unofficially, continue to allow 360-licensed controllers to work on Xbone. The fact that they're licensed for 360 means that they meet a certain input method standard; they'll have all the same buttons the Xbone controllers have. At the very least, they'll know what the hell all the buttons do automatically. The PS4 allows developers to support PS3 controllers, even though they might not necessarily be supported in the OS for navigating menus just yet. So for people who want to use arcade sticks, for example, no extra hardware is necessary on PS4 (assuming developers support the old stuff).
- This is a converter, not a mod. This will not lead to Xbone "hacks." This will not aid piracy. This will not aid homebrew. Thread title is misleading and should be changed to something like "Xbox One USB converter unlocks support for KB&M, DS4 and more."
- This converter works as a passthrough. I can't be 100% sure, but it should essentially work like a pad hack for an arcade stick; a legit Xbone controller is used for authentication, while the converter takes the input signals from whatever you have, converts the value into what the Xbone expects, then sends it to the console. The "scan for inputs, then convert, then send" step may introduce some lag, although lagless converters are already available for PS3 and 360. However, the authentication should mean that the console will not be able to tell the difference between a CronusMAX and an Xbone controller, so it will likely not be patched out. That is an assumption, however.
- The advantage of using a mouse instead of an analog stick to aim comes from the fact that games use translation data from the absolute position of a mouse over time to calculate how far, and in what direction, to aim. Your mouse is at point Y; 1 ms later, it is at point Z; it moved X amount in W direction, so that is how much your aim should be adjusted right now. On an analog stick, you move the stick, and your aim is altered by a fixed amount every time the game updates depending on how far the stick is from center. Your aim speed increases from slow to fast at the same time. On a mouse, your aim speed is as fast as you can move your mouse. The key is this: changing the input method does not change the interpretation method. The game will not suddenly aim as fast as you can move your mouse just because you used a converter instead of a gamepad. Even if you throw your mouse across the mousepad as fast as you can, your aim will never move faster than it would if you simply held the analog stick at the edge of its rotation. Thus, there is no advantage for mouse and keyboard players using a converter over gamepad players.
And for some conjecture...
There is little practical reason for MS to not, at least unofficially, continue to allow 360-licensed controllers to work on Xbone. The fact that they're licensed for 360 means that they meet a certain input method standard; they'll have all the same buttons the Xbone controllers have. At the very least, they'll know what the hell all the buttons do automatically. The PS4 allows developers to support PS3 controllers, even though they might not necessarily be supported in the OS for navigating menus just yet. So for people who want to use arcade sticks, for example, no extra hardware is necessary on PS4 (assuming developers support the old stuff).
Senor Kami
Banned
That's cool. I've been thinking about buying a fight stick but was feeling like I don't want to spend that with next gen coming. If everything will work on everything (PS3/360/PS4/X1) I'll just find the best deal I can regardless of native system.