I'm by no means an art guy, but this seems like something a high school art student would do.
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Artist spotlighted by NYT and Vice is plagairizing anime and manga
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I'm by no means an art guy, but this seems like something a high school art student would do.
Trojita
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To the people complaining that this is part of a collage. There is a difference between this and what Andy Warhol did with the Campbell Soup Cans and what she did with Bart Simpson. The latter two are distinct very well known subjects that would not be thought of as original pieces in or outside of a collage.
Shintaro Kago's piece is a unique piece of art that they themselves made. The public would not know that this isn't an original piece done by her.
Shintaro Kago's piece is a unique piece of art that they themselves made. The public would not know that this isn't an original piece done by her.
Did she...trace the Wikipedia logo?
benicillin
Banned
Have you ever been to an art gallery?
If your art piece needs it's own paragraph of context for it to make sense, then maybe it's not a very effective piece of art. If you want to make your own little post modern art piece so you can feel unique and special then it's fine, but don't steal other people's stuff and call it "Art"
AtomskEater
Member
This helps put into words why I don't feel this is an acceptable usage of other's works. There's a difference between taking a logo or an iconic character and using them in your work (no one will ever assume you created them) versus wholesale tracing obscure and unknown works, with no attributions or credits to the original artists (people are more likely to think that was your original creation).
Tracing has its place, both in collages/derivative works and as a useful exercise for practice, but you always want to credit the original artist (and preferably get permission first) if you use their work like that. Seeing as she straight up takes credit for other people's work on her social media, I don't feel like I can give her the benefit of the doubt in just being ignorant about plagiarisation.
For Exposure has some examples of this, sometimes artists have to fight tooth and nail to get people not to repost w/o sources or to straight out stop pretending that they drew it.
I have not. Is it always this bad?
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Appropriation as a form of artwork? What the fuck. lol
Yes...and?
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
Northernlights
Member
Apparently this has been going on for years. This happened back in 2014 https://www.google.com/amp/samrolfe...ok-at-this-shit-hayes-ripping-off-hillock/amp
Poor GRIMES
Banned
Warhol ran into copyright law too. He ended up having to settle out of court because he used a womans photograph of flowers for his print.
http://revolverwarholgallery.com/andy-warhol-art-appropriation/
Im not entirely sure why art appropriation is given a pass when musicians, writers, etc. would be completely stoned for lifting passages and production from another person without giving royalties.
That's like asking, "Ever play mobile games?" When people are criticising microtransactions in video games. A shitty practice is still a shitty practice, doesn't matter how popular it is.
Privileged mediocrity pays
Off of the work of PoC
Permanently A
Junior Member
Castor gallery's response is so fucking smug and ridiculous. Hope they get sued into oblivion.
Anybody CCing Lena Dunham?
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Yeah, with song sampling, if it's too much they're forced to give credit to the original songwriter as well. To basically steal visual art from someone and use it in something that I don't even know is transformative in a meaningful way seems really shitty behaviour. Particularly in this case when her behaviour seems pathological.
benicillin
Banned
This is Richard Prince levels of fuckery lol.
Gentleman Jack
Member
This is just hilarious (and kinda sad)
Theft + whitewashing. The perfect combo.
Ban Puncher
Member
Okay I made my own 100% original art now.
Taking all bids.
Taking all bids.
SigmasonicX
Member
Well, there it is.
Only one of us is playing the 'nice guy' role and it is not me. I am tired of white mediocrity hyped up like crazy, and yet another white person building themselves or their career on the back of people of colour yet again.
Tell me again if NYT and others will give Shintaro Kago a spotlight like they gave this white woman. People are tired. You can deflect as much as you want but increasingly we're not buying it anymore.
Poor GRIMES
Banned
Its just funny when the other legendary artists that were posted in this thread are all... White too.
meltingparappa
Member
This is completely antithetical to almost every piece of fine arts since ww2.
Either this is a a statement about the grotesque bombing of civilians by a rising fascist empire, drawn in a style that references early Iberian art, riddled with symbolic iconography, breaking down the form into an abstraction of shapes that still follow tight compositional rules -- itself, part of a larger movement away from rigid modernist art from decades prior as painting further differentiated itself from photography.
Or, "Huh. What a weirdly drawn horse."
All of this is a lengthy aside to that artist making BuzzFeed-caliber quirky art in a dime a dozen gallery.
Herr Schwarz
Banned
lol my god.
I'm kind of split on this. But the whole topic is kind of giving off gamer gate vibes. Actually, it's about ethics in artistic appropriation.
At the end of the day, you can't knock the hussle, and an artist is able to charge whatever they want dependent on their perceived value.
If you're a connoisseur you're going to see the obvious lifts from other work. And maybe not care because you like the kind of montage and are willing to pay that much for it. If you're not, then buy at your own risk.
I mean, if the artist is literally stating in their artistic notes or preface to their work with "Yes i created this, this is all original work by me, and i'm not doing montages of other pieces of art to create a grandiose piece"
Then that's a problem. But otherwise, CAN'T KNOCK THE HUSSLE.
I'm kind of split on this. But the whole topic is kind of giving off gamer gate vibes. Actually, it's about ethics in artistic appropriation.
At the end of the day, you can't knock the hussle, and an artist is able to charge whatever they want dependent on their perceived value.
If you're a connoisseur you're going to see the obvious lifts from other work. And maybe not care because you like the kind of montage and are willing to pay that much for it. If you're not, then buy at your own risk.
I mean, if the artist is literally stating in their artistic notes or preface to their work with "Yes i created this, this is all original work by me, and i'm not doing montages of other pieces of art to create a grandiose piece"
Then that's a problem. But otherwise, CAN'T KNOCK THE HUSSLE.
I'm tired of this garbage phrase I keep seeing in this forum. I can knock whatever I want.
meltingparappa
Member
Worth noting that if you see this and want to support the original artist, he's offering a to draw you a watercolor portrait of you getting horrifically mutilated for only $65 USD.
Not safe for workplaces or people who aren't cool.
Not safe for workplaces or people who aren't cool.
Gentleman Jack
Member
People have shown receipts on the extent of her plagiarism. She does zero attribution and claims it as her own original work. She never once uses the word 'appropriation,' that's the gallery in its complicity with the scam. Your equivalence is steaming hot shit.
Ban Puncher
Member
Wtf am I reading here. Calling out white appropriation of works of art by people of colour,how she does not acknowledge her theft, being praised for her theft, is gamer gate?
Linkstrikesback
Member
I can't believe this is really how the art world works, is it?
Everything else that springs to mind for me, such blatant plagarism would require you to cite the works you're basing your stuff off of, not do it and hope you don't get caught.
donkey show
Member
Herr Schwarz
Banned
Yeah with that link for example
"she's using work for lesser known, niche authors and media who never come up mentioned because it's very obvious she was expecting to not be found (and has very little to no respect for them). "
So her whole schtick is lifting pieces of art and collarging them, and she's not just using sailor moon, but "lesser" artists, and claiming those lesser artists work as her own.
I just haven't seen any kind of statement, where she's saying "this is my own".
Linking on an instragram account - well that's a blog right? I just haven't seen her explicitly state "This is my own shit".
I mean if her work as an artist is just lifting other peoples work and collarging them, that's fine to me. I just haven't seen her say it yet, I am bad at trawling social media though.
I just assumed this kind of thing was always happening in the art world. There are other mentions in the thread of similiar practices.
Come on, man. The thread isn't that long.
That's my thing, I've seen this exact same style and art all over the place, so why is this one selling for thousands and getting profiles? They're all doing the same lazy schtick, it would be like making @Thefatjewish a headliner.
If it's your thing, it's your thing, go buy the Sailor Moon piece even though you're not really buying something that's Sailor Moon and supporting it. I's not really saying or doing anything unique. When Warhol took pop culture elements and monetized it, it was in itself saying something about consumerism and how we idolize the things we consume. This artist is just doing scrapbooking of things that might sell.
But when you're white you have the privilege and that circle to say "here you go, ma'am, right this way." What's more is her reaction to the criticism. She's not engaging in a dialogue here, she's literally saying "hahaha, look at all these trolls" and "my references are fab, lol."
I'm not giving an artist the benefit of the doubt and not admiring any hustle if she can't even say "This is why I'm doing this." Or give me a reason why her taking something from Japan is meant to say something. She's the equivalent of a Family Guy cutaway gag. Fuck her and her shitty attitude.
Thank you. The NYT has called me and scheduled an interview for tomorrow! I'm making it, guys!
Puck Beaverton
Banned
Copying Jaime Hernandez shows good taste at least
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