I'm wonder if they, along with the drm noise, are jointly responsible.
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MS eliminates its best new feature: 10 person, 60 min Family Sharing plan for Xbone
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I'm wonder if they, along with the drm noise, are jointly responsible.
weren't ready to share all their games instantly? Everyone uses Netflix and Hulu now. Everything is digital.
Now we have to wait 10 years for it? Think about how long that is. Think about where you were technologically in 2003. I'll bet everyone here had a dumb phone.
This never, ever existed.
It was a kneejerk reaction to the backlash by Microsoft without proper planning, that made absolutely no economic sense to them or the publishers once they actually sat down and started working out the details.
The family sharing plan was, and will always be a ridiculous myth that MS execs couldn't even explain properly.
It was a kneejerk reaction to the backlash by Microsoft without proper planning, that made absolutely no economic sense to them or the publishers once they actually sat down and started working out the details.
The family sharing plan was, and will always be a ridiculous myth that MS execs couldn't even explain properly.
They were completely vague and noncommital about Family Share.
It was only the "best new feature" because you imagined it to be this free games magicland where you got to play AAA titles as soon as they were released for free. There is not a chance in hell that publishers would have ever stood for that sort of thing, and if actually implemented Game Sharing would have been pretty restricted.
The reason they dropped the DRM was probably because they sat down at a table to discuss Family Sharing and realized, "Yeah, there's no way this is going to work." And since Family Sharing was really the only customer-friendly conceivable justification for the DRM, they might as well dump the DRM and the Sharing.
It was only the "best new feature" because you imagined it to be this free games magicland where you got to play AAA titles as soon as they were released for free. There is not a chance in hell that publishers would have ever stood for that sort of thing, and if actually implemented Game Sharing would have been pretty restricted.
The reason they dropped the DRM was probably because they sat down at a table to discuss Family Sharing and realized, "Yeah, there's no way this is going to work." And since Family Sharing was really the only customer-friendly conceivable justification for the DRM, they might as well dump the DRM and the Sharing.
:shrugs It's MS decision to keep taking the all-or-nothing route with their policies. There should be a way to do both, but they don't seem all that interested in how to have a true dialog with their customers, they just seem interested in doing what's necessary to save face.
Tripolygon
Banned
This feature could still be implemented and i'll tell you how.
1. When you Get PS+ and download a free game, the game has a time lot attached to it and after that time expires you have to connect to the internet to reactivate it. In this same vein when you Share a game to someone online, there would be a 1 hr time lot attached to it. Said person has to check in hourly to continue playing that game or heck make it so you need internet to play that shared game while everything else stays the same.
2. Also similar to PS+ full game demo time limit.
It didn't have to be either or.
1. When you Get PS+ and download a free game, the game has a time lot attached to it and after that time expires you have to connect to the internet to reactivate it. In this same vein when you Share a game to someone online, there would be a 1 hr time lot attached to it. Said person has to check in hourly to continue playing that game or heck make it so you need internet to play that shared game while everything else stays the same.
2. Also similar to PS+ full game demo time limit.
It didn't have to be either or.
They wouldn't have made it a policy in a release without clearing it, so yes.
:'( Damn.
So will all game still be available through download? I would really like to have titles bound to the account somehow. For convenience and such.
The shit part is that the old way would have allowed you to buy games on clearance at retail (or buy CEs or whatever with physical goodies) and still have a digital copy--have actual sales and stuff on 'digital' games that didn't have to be on the official Xbox store. But now not so much.
dragonelite
Member
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
One-two punch.
This bleating about the "future" and how gamers hate "innovation" is absurd. It was meaningless PR speak. It would have been forgotten as quickly as the two HDMI ports on the back of the PS3.
What about the cloud now? If I dont have to be online at all then are my games gonna suffer?
I think I detect sarcasm here, but yeah, the cloud was never gonna benefit games anyway...
TheOhrenberger
Banned
This was such a cool feature. I'm actually disappointed at the gaming community for being stuck in it's old ways and refusing to move towards the future. Now we're just stuck with a more powerful version of what we have today, just like the PS4.
Don't get me wrong, I'm glad that MS at least listened to gamers and I'm glad that you can play games offline now, but this family sharing feature was HUGE and SUPER INNOVATIVE.
I hope gamers have learned a lesson. Sometimes you have to give a little to get something. I hoe you guys are happy, we just took a step backwards in this regard.
Don't get me wrong, I'm glad that MS at least listened to gamers and I'm glad that you can play games offline now, but this family sharing feature was HUGE and SUPER INNOVATIVE.
I hope gamers have learned a lesson. Sometimes you have to give a little to get something. I hoe you guys are happy, we just took a step backwards in this regard.
It's sad they didn't keep it for DD.
It also have a massive impact on the UI.
No flicking between all your games library, no matchmaking in one game while playing another?
Must be loads more and a lot of UI work to be done, the whole system was invested in with the fact all the games were always available.
It also have a massive impact on the UI.
No flicking between all your games library, no matchmaking in one game while playing another?
Must be loads more and a lot of UI work to be done, the whole system was invested in with the fact all the games were always available.
So much this. Now we're back to relying on XBOX Live Marketplace to have good sales (LOL yeah right).
That's an interesting point, maybe publishers won't allow this and that, I guess we'll see, Sony basically has this already, you can have one account activated on two PS3s at any time (and not activated on as many as you want). Maybe they'll have removed that.
They'd be smart to work with retailers to create a system where you could download the game onto a thumb drive or something at Gamestop and then have it be locked to an account it is installed to so people who don't have the bandwidth to download a 20-50 GB game but still want it digitally can go that route.
Welcome to the future of sharing guys!
ah man I am so swimming in these tears right now. It's utterly delightful
I hope they reintroduce a system that implements many of their announced features sometime after launch, at least for DD retail titles.
My guess is that they will start pushing incentives for everyone (publishers and consumers) to move to DD only. That was the end-goal anyway - just do it with more with a carrot than a stick.
My guess is that they will start pushing incentives for everyone (publishers and consumers) to move to DD only. That was the end-goal anyway - just do it with more with a carrot than a stick.
Moral Panic
Member
Look at the backlash. Look at Sony's crazy amount of applause at e3 when they noticed they're not doing it. Look at Sony using it on mainstream tv on Jimmy Fallon. People weren't ready.
There is no reason they can't implement the family sharing for those to enroll in it. Even setting up a Register/deregister system for Disc based games could allow for it still.
But in my opinion, the games library sharing would have had a lot of caveats and loops that we were not given the details to and would not have known till launch. And at that point we would have realized MS was trying to pull another fast one on consumers
But in my opinion, the games library sharing would have had a lot of caveats and loops that we were not given the details to and would not have known till launch. And at that point we would have realized MS was trying to pull another fast one on consumers
MrCunningham
Member
This is the one feature I actually liked from Microsoft's DRM polices. But eh, it's a trade off. I'd rather have no 24 hour checks and non-restricted reselling/ trading/ borrowing than the 10 person family plan. We can't have both, I guess.
charlagame
Member
This thing was suppose to get match making in one game, while playing another. NO disk in tray needed, Family sharing. ALL GONE.
mainly from people going on the internet 24/7 complaining about not having internet.
This was a HUGE step backwards.
mainly from people going on the internet 24/7 complaining about not having internet.
This was a HUGE step backwards.
DidntKnowJack
Member
Oh my fucking God we have to insert the disc! Ahhhhhhhhhhh.Welcome to the future of sharing guys!
soul creator
Member
if they want to provide an incentive for going digital, why not just have the lending stuff work for downloaded games, and not disc games? Obviously at that point it is tied to an account, and exists "in the cloud" or whatever, like current Games on Demand games.
Also, you would no longer need the 24hr check (though obviously, no one could access your shared library either, but you could play games offline), because you don't have to account for the "I sold my disc, and never logged in, so I can still play the game". Since obviously you can't resell a file on your hard drive. Seems like that would be the best of both worlds, and would make me lean towards buying games from Xbox Live instead.
Also, you would no longer need the 24hr check (though obviously, no one could access your shared library either, but you could play games offline), because you don't have to account for the "I sold my disc, and never logged in, so I can still play the game". Since obviously you can't resell a file on your hard drive. Seems like that would be the best of both worlds, and would make me lean towards buying games from Xbox Live instead.
They could have kept it with the stipulation that you had to be online to play a game you've shared or received as a share, but considering how sudden this is it probably means this patch thing was/is being rushed to make sure all the core gamers don't tell their friends not to buy an xbone.
Just like people aren't ready to purchase music, books, tv shows and movies on iTunes? People weren't ready because of fear of change and/or ignorance.
corrosivefrost
Member
I thought it was said that only one of the 11 people on the sharing model would be able to play the game at a time. That is, you couldn't share Halo 5 with 10 friends and all go play online or whatever. And if that was just a "rumour", you can bet your ass there would have been something like that -- similar to the possible Steam sharing feature.
VanquishUK
Member
This thread is absolutely unbelievable.
Fleshfeast
Member
RIP Xbox One
Welcome Xbox 361
I guess I should cancel all my Xbox One game pre-orders too, since they will no longer tie to my account and be playable without the discs.
Welcome Xbox 361
I guess I should cancel all my Xbox One game pre-orders too, since they will no longer tie to my account and be playable without the discs.
Marty Chinn
Member
I really wish MS would have done both methods. You have the traditional with what you have now, but if you wanted to, you could register and deregister a disc and in the process would gain access to family share, not needing to swap discs and so forth. That would remain in effect until you deregistered the disc.
TheOhrenberger
Banned
remember when sony made that video "this is how you share games on PS4?" I was hoping that MS would fire back and say "this is how you share games on Xbox One" and show two duds sitting on couches on other sides of the world saying "hey, you wanna play Titanfall?" and then the other guy downloads it and just plays it.
Really you guys are stuck in the past.
Really you guys are stuck in the past.
entremet
Member
Yeah. This sucks.
CaptainTiptop
Member
That was never going to happen.
Why would they have Steam-style sales when you can only buy it from one place?
And this policy was worse for them than used games. 10 people buying a new game for $6 each was beyond stupid.
Alx
Member
It's no surprise that removing DRM would also mean losing other features. They were trying to strike a complex balance between pros and cons for publishers, retailers etc, so if you remove something, you remove everything. Back to square one.
I'm really sad to see the sharing feature go.
I'm really sad to see the sharing feature go.
H_Prestige
Banned
Yeah, MS was totally going to let 10 people split the cost of one game and all play with no restrictions. Damn you people are gullible
charlagame
Member
They really need to offer a disk-less drive version console, now. Make it cheaper, and encourage people onto digital.
Netflix and Hulu aren't valid comparisons. People don't buy DVDs, etc. now because they can spend $10 a month to get the same shit they'd spend $20 on for a single copy. Guess what, I fucking love renting games and this was going to remove that ability so it's exactly the opposite of Hulu or Netflix. With those serves, you just have unlimited instant rentals.
If I could pay MS $10 a month and never have to buy another game I'd have been fucking thrilled to have their new shitty policies.
Maybe people should have really thought this through
before pressuring MS to change their stance.
Its not like every console was offering the restrictions.
Imagine you could have two consoles. One where you can
save money and share the games, the other where you could
keep physical media to trade with.
before pressuring MS to change their stance.
Its not like every console was offering the restrictions.
Imagine you could have two consoles. One where you can
save money and share the games, the other where you could
keep physical media to trade with.
My thoughts exactly. This was pretty much Bone's only advantage over the PS4. It was more secure for devs, and it gave users muc greater flexibility in accessing/sharing their content. Now that it's dead, the Bone is no different (except being less powerful) than PS4.
Now I can't install all my games, and play them without the disc.
Now I can't access all my games from whatever Bone I'm logged into.
Now I can't digitally share my library with my friends, and they can't share theirs.
To whomever helped to effect the changes in policy above, fuck you.
To MS, for not adequately communicating the advantages of these forward-thinking policies, having such a muddied message in the first place, and for spinelessly giving in to pressure, not even trying to come up with a compromise, triple-fuck you.
Edit: I dub thee, Xbox One, to be forever called... Xbox 180.
Now I can't install all my games, and play them without the disc.
Now I can't access all my games from whatever Bone I'm logged into.
Now I can't digitally share my library with my friends, and they can't share theirs.
To whomever helped to effect the changes in policy above, fuck you.
To MS, for not adequately communicating the advantages of these forward-thinking policies, having such a muddied message in the first place, and for spinelessly giving in to pressure, not even trying to come up with a compromise, triple-fuck you.
Edit: I dub thee, Xbox One, to be forever called... Xbox 180.
Shadow Hog
Member
Empathy is no longer a thing, clearly.
charlagame
Member
agreed, it's a bummer
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