iRAWRasaurus
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Yeah I know but I barely even think about him as "people" anymore. IQ of an oyster.
lol whats the context?
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Trump calls out NATO members not paying their share during speech
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lol whats the context?
PdotMichael
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People didn't question that the lack of any oversea territories past Helgoland makes a blue water navy for Germany a rather pointless exercise - not the fact that something would forbid Germany of building anything bigger than a destroyer.
World leaders watching his speech about how nations need to spend more for NATO.
This was during Trump's preach... I mean speech about how NATO countries own money to US and how expensive new HQ was. All gifs and pics of NATO leader facepalming and straight out laughing are from during Trump's speech.
Schnozberry
Member
That's an exaggeration. Without the US, NATO would lose 22% of it's funding and 38% of it's active personnel. You may be able to recover the funding, but you'd have to make difficult political choices to cover the cost? And what would need to be cut? Budgets are already tight all over the EU as it is. It would also be nearly impossible to fix the personnel gap.
PdotMichael
Banned
Every country has the right to quite the NPT at any time. So the NPT wouldn't stop Germany of joining France's offer of forming a French-German nuclear force for example.
US Forces in the Pacific aren't relevant for the NATO. US forces in and around NATO territories are rather small - it's just another case of Trump can't get facts straight.
ClosingADoor
Member
Some European countries lacking a good military is an issue, and has been for some time now. So increasing their budgets for it is a good idea and should be done if they want to be able to react to a crisis or continue peace keeping forces around the world (not necessarily a NATO thing, but it comes from the defense budget, material and personnel).
However, the way Trump is going about it is ridiculous. He is acting like the US is somehow funding the EUs military, and pretends that its military influence around the world does not come with upsides for itself over the decades. He also forgets that a lot of US military spending is for things outside of the NATO scope that EU countries simply don't need to bother with (for example an expensive Iraq war for some time, activities in Korea, the South Chinese Sea, military installations around the world everywhere).
Trump was talking about NATO getting billions of dollars if countries had a bigger military. Or something along those lines.
We can leave the NPT or grow the Bundeswehr to 1 million soldiers if we want to.
It's just that we would open ourselves up to lawsuits by the US, France, UK or Russia
Yeah, it's not the Cold War any more and the European powers aren't exactly afraid of the Red Army streaming through the Fulda Gap any more. NATO as a purely European military alliance would work and probably do a better job than the current NATO alliance. The only key element that the US uniquely offers is abundant airlift capacity. But if the US wasn't in NATO any more then the amount of airlift required would go way down as well.
Some quality photographs coming out of that summit:
Merkel giving Trump the death stare while everybody else looks away in embarrassment.
Meanwhile, that same day in Germany... "Wo ist meine Barack?"
this pic is from his 2008 speechMeanwhile, that same day in Germany... "Wo ist meine Barack?"
https://www.theatlantic.com/static/img/upload/2013/06/19/AP080724017076.jpg
there were still lots of people there yesterday, mind you
I wonder if he believed it when Trump told him that he always rooted for Macron and didn't endorse Le Pen.
https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/867801970094034944
Trump expresses support for French candidate Le Pen
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/868407229380268033
If he does not understand the basic functions of NATO by now, he may as well not have fucking arrived to the meeting at all.
Is it just me or are his hands... tiny?
RPGCrazied
Member
Now he is just tweeting about the Paris agreement and keeping us in suspense like its some sort of TV show teaser. I hate this man.
DiipuSurotu
Banned
Looks normal to me. He's just fat on the rest of his body. Technically Macron has tinier hands... I mean look at Macron's left wrist (our right).
Kill Your Masters
Member
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/868407229380268033
If he does not understand the basic functions of NATO by now, he may as well not have fucking arrived to the meeting at all.
He doesn't even understand basic presidential functions. Learning on the job.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/868407229380268033
If he does not understand the basic functions of NATO by now, he may as well not have fucking arrived to the meeting at all.
Or he understands and with money pouring in he means US based military industry complex is going to make bank as NATO countries purchase more US hardware.
Some quality photographs coming out of that summit:
Merkel giving Trump the death stare while everybody else looks away in embarrassment.
Is Duda actually having Ukrainian flag pin alongside Polish one?
Into different corporations that design, manufacture and sell military HW from rifles to tanks and jets.
Also he was gripping Macron's hand, they did whole white knuckled Trump handshake. It got too intense for EasyD so he wanted to pull out, but Macron went for full domination.
I wonder if he believed it when Trump told him that he always rooted for Macron and didn't endorse Le Pen.
https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/867801970094034944
Trump expresses support for French candidate Le Pen
It's really gotten to the point he doesn't get that everything he says is recorded in some way. He really is the old grandpa that doesn't understands technology
The Hamburglar
Banned
Everyone hates trump but when he starts talking about shit he knows nothing about and makes it a case of USA vs the world you get gaffers coming out saying he isn't wrong, hiliarious.
Link
The Autumn Wind
I wish the media would follow up on these bullshit claims he makes. We're at the point where they just need to straight up call him a liar.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/868407229380268033
If he does not understand the basic functions of NATO by now, he may as well not have fucking arrived to the meeting at all.
Goldrusher
Member
It doesn't matter to him. He just doesn't care at all. He has no real opinion on anything or any agenda at all (besides Ivanka).
He makes up his opinion when he speaks, based on the last infos someone told him or he saw on TV. Therefore he isn't lying (in his mind). He isn't even christian and neither agnostic or an atheist. There is just nothing.
It tells a lot about him that he gets well better with arabian dictators than with US allies from the EU which share the same western values.
His only real ideology is Darwin. Survival of the fittest. As he considers himself and his rich buddies as the "fittest" - he must always be right.
It doesn't matter to him what he said yesterday. He is the billionaire - not those fake press guys or those EU losers - so he can't do no wrong.
He has the unique abillity to believe his own lies and if he did something wrong - he can convince himself that he didn't. It is pathological at this point. He doesn't belong into the white house and not even into prison whatever will be revevealed - he belongs into a psych ward. He has a narcissistic personality disorder of highest degree. This is why he acts this way. The russian thing was always made up to him - so he just did the right thing in his mind, because it was all fake.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/868407229380268033
If he does not understand the basic functions of NATO by now, he may as well not have fucking arrived to the meeting at all.
Funny thing is: All NATO members agreed on the guidline in 2014 (and Obama was pushing for it). This is not because of Trump.
Germany did argument that development aid should be part of this budget, not just the number of tanks.
However you can't raise the budget in one year and there are historical reasons why germany has a low millitary budget. So this is why this guideline was made up.
And the refugee crysis did cost europe billions, while the reason for it is mostly because of the US intervention in Iraque (also UK but they brexited in order to not pay for the damages they did). Maybe you could also blame france and italy to certain part because of Lybia. But most EU countries are not to blame -but they are alreaDy paying for the costs for US interventions.
Mighty Chin
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Not big enough to grip.
Silent Chief
Member
I don't. We're a non-nuclear country and we don't have a seat at the UN Security Council.
Due to our geography, we don't need to pile up weapons to deter attacks from foreign countries. We continuously make real contributions to conflicts as circumstances dictate. (Large contribution in Afghanistan in response to 911, no involvement in Iraq because it was all BS, etc...)
Shadow Puppetry
Member
EU SUCKS BECAUSE I CAN'T MAKE GOLF COURSES EASILY!
President Trump reportedly complained to world leaders about roadblocks he has faced setting up golf courses in the European Union.
Belgian daily newspaper Le Soir reported Trump told Belgian Prime Minister he has mixed feelings about the European Union (EU) due to issues he has faced in the past setting up golf courses within its borders.
Trump brought up his difficulties doing business in Ireland, which has influenced his view of how the EU functions.
Also, the money is coming in after my beautiful speech.
President Trump on Saturday claimed that money was "beginning to pour in" to NATO, just two days after he gave a speech scolding allies for not paying their fair share at the alliance's headquarters in Brussels.
"Many NATO countries have agreed to step up payments considerably, as they should. Money is beginning to pour in- NATO will be much stronger," Trump tweeted Saturday.
Trump's wording misrepresents how NATO is organized by suggesting that nations pay the alliance; each nation funds its own defense spending under the NATO umbrella. There is not a specific fund money would be pouring into.
President Trump reportedly complained to world leaders about roadblocks he has faced setting up golf courses in the European Union.
Belgian daily newspaper Le Soir reported Trump told Belgian Prime Minister he has mixed feelings about the European Union (EU) due to issues he has faced in the past setting up golf courses within its borders.
Trump brought up his difficulties doing business in Ireland, which has influenced his view of how the EU functions.
Also, the money is coming in after my beautiful speech.
President Trump on Saturday claimed that money was "beginning to pour in" to NATO, just two days after he gave a speech scolding allies for not paying their fair share at the alliance's headquarters in Brussels.
"Many NATO countries have agreed to step up payments considerably, as they should. Money is beginning to pour in- NATO will be much stronger," Trump tweeted Saturday.
Trump's wording misrepresents how NATO is organized by suggesting that nations pay the alliance; each nation funds its own defense spending under the NATO umbrella. There is not a specific fund money would be pouring into.
DudeWithNoName
Member
So you're saying this is a decades old problem. Most members telling the rest to fuck off. Trump is right to bring this up again and again.
Mr.Shrugglesã
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What's a decades old problem is the US, the only country who had ever invoked article 5, feeling entitled to tell sovereign countries what they should spend in defence. What the EU needs is an own army, so that we can really say "fuck off" to you, the main beneficiary of Nato.
gutter_trash
Banned
Thank God, many EU countries have strict rules when it comes to zoning, especially those who made it illegal to build on the coastline; coastlines remaining public
Canada is one of those countries that probably could stand to spend a bit more money on its military. It doesn't have anything to do with military contributions, but a recognition that it has greater commitments in the far north than ever before and that a lot of aging equipment needs to be replaced. Realistically, Canada would be better off scaling back on its foreign military deployments, but that's probably not a great idea politically.
Pretty much. In a lot of ways, NATO members act as auxiliaries to American troops in a lot of different conflicts. Therefore, it's in the interest of the US for those armed forces to have greater capabilities. American presidents have been using this issue as a bully pulpit for decades; the main difference is that Trump is so inarticulate at bringing up these points that it's easy to tell him to go to hell.
ShironRedshift
Member
He seriously doesn't know what he's talking about. This makes no sense period, especially when he wants to up US military spending regardless. Want to save US taxpayers money? Try not doing that then.
Of course, it really doesn't help that the media send rather terrible at calling out this particular talking point, mostly just reporting the Trump and White House lines verbatim and not even beginning to really bother explaining that's not how NATO actually works at all and how Trump's nonsense really misconstrues the situation. People might not be quite as confused if the media handled it better, but the evening news in particular has been bad about handling this issue when it comes up, so that definitely doesn't help and they need to do better.
The Hamburglar
Banned
I wonder if trump knows that trump means fart in the UK. From now on he's president fart.
Macron wins
Donnie goes for the kill in the second Macron handshake.
https://twitter.com/thevocaleurope/status/867781886277505024
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Muh president
I honestly thought that that was an Onion article...
Holy shit! The man is a fucking embarrassment.
ClosingADoor
Member
I hope the purchases they make are mostly from the European arms industry as a fuck you to Trump.
PintSizedSlasher
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Mr.Shrugglesツ;238271949 said:
Probably picked up a few words during meetings with his mobster buddies...