nillapuddin
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ftfy
Got Rogue One on Blu Ray last month, plans kept falling through to watch it, just popped it in to see how it looks, its very grainy, like.. very grainy
idk if thats a R1 thing or what, but it is a bit disappointing
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Television Displays and Technology Thread: This is a fantasy based on OLED
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ftfy
Got Rogue One on Blu Ray last month, plans kept falling through to watch it, just popped it in to see how it looks, its very grainy, like.. very grainy
idk if thats a R1 thing or what, but it is a bit disappointing
I would try another HDMI cable.
Rogue One utilizes film grain way more than I like. I loved it in theaters, but my B6 totally makes the grain more noticeable than it was in the theater. I was bummed about it at first, but I forget that it's there after the first few scenes.
nillapuddin
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Damn, Okay I just wanted to verify it an issue with tv/xbox
Thanks man
* buying PE2 and John Wick 4K on amazon right now *
Trusted Review Sony KD-65A1 OLED review
because that fancy speaker is awesome and Picture quality already speak itself
DOT DASH DOT
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I bet, but I won't repeat myself, it would be great if it was the standard that you didn't pay a premium for, then yeah fine.
So all the other stuff like Sony x1 extreme processor not being counted in the whole package or something?
Edit: And Im already sick and tired of seeing Premium TV having a subpar speaker. Its a premium for fuck sake.
DOT DASH DOT
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What on earth does X1 extreme have to do with the price of coffee!?
It's about consumers having a choice, it honestly isn't a hard concept to grasp, A1 with or without a vibrating speaker and sub built into the stand maybe?
How about some normal speakers? Keep the cost down, people who want a sound bar, buy a bloody sound bar.
People who own any kind of half decent audio set up really wouldn't want to pay for something they'll probably never use, makes no sense for that kind of consumer, and freezes Sony out of an sale.
family_guy
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It's a weird thing to pay $4k+ on a TV and then to use the internal speakers.
This is an OLED TV with a lot of enhancement put inside it. We have no idea what makes it cost more. There're a lot of assumption here that most people have decent audio or even bother with it. Do people always use Dolby Atmos for everything? I never bother to own one.
Because they usually sucks... but it never bother me... so whatever.
Edit: And I really support for this speaker to be a thing. Sounds good enough and it doesn't take any space
family_guy
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To each their own. I feel like audio and video go hand in hand. The difference in picture quality between a $2500 TV and a $5000 TV isn't as significant as the difference between built in speakers and a good soundbar or even better, a discrete 5.1 system. A great sound system adds so much to the experience that I would spend more on that and less on the TV.
DOT DASH DOT
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I love enhancements, not ones I'm being forced to pay for, which i dont need. Surely you must understand that there will be many people who own a speaker set up, and wouldn't want this!? And yeah people like yourself who like the vibrating speaker, which on both counts is fine, except Sony are repeating the same mistake by forcing it upon everyone.
Doesn't have to be Atmos, a half decent 5.1 would destroy the A1 in quality.
Theonik
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You don't need to and in fact SHOULDN'T. For living room installations bouncing the sound off the ceiling is easier and sounds better. The reason is you need a significant distance from the speaker and listening position. If you follow Dolby's guidelines you'd need a pretty tall ceiling house.
It's certainly a concern but the design is to give you the sweet-spot at around 40-50cm from the ground from the intended distance. That's pretty normal for TV stands these days. A more flexible stand would be great though.
That would be pretty expensive all things considered (2 SKUs) and the stand houses the electronics, as well as the subwoofer if anything it is very space efficient as a design. A more conventional stand could be achieved but would make the TV thicker something like Sony's wedge would work. But he form factor isn't due to the speaker It is a design decision.
Price has nothing to do with whether a set is good or not. In the first place the Z9D is a halo set that isn't meant to sell to a wide audience. You get what you pay for which was the best TV of 2016 and one of the best TVs available even now.
I got mine for less than a DX902 anyway
The X93C is interesting. Sony used and still uses the driver design on stand-alone speakers so that wasn't really a TV investment.
Now the main complaint with that was it added bezels to the side and people (very moronically) have come to hate bezels and also want TVs to be thinner which are both usually detrimental to the quality of the set. Cost wise that got absorbed mostly by Sony. After all the margins on the production of high-end sets are huge, you do use them to recoup R&D across the line so need as big a margin on them as possible but extra trinkets rarely hurt.
You will notice on the A1E though the reaction is much different generally both by reviewers and users. People WANT better speakers. They just don't want the associated bulk/sacrifices they entail which the A1E seems to mostly do away with.
Just because someone is spending $4k on a TV doesn't mean they want to spend $2k on a speaker setup on top of that. Not that cheaper solutions aren't possible, but again, many livingroom setups are not speaker friendly.
DOT DASH DOT
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But that's what I'm saying, I'm not surprised, a lot of people buy sound systems, and a lot don't, it just makes no sense to bolt something nice on audio wise, when it's not all that amazing anyway, and you alienate guys with a nice system and they won't be buying.
It's just better all round they knock 500-1000 off and give the option to buy a sound bar for 200 or whatever if they wish, and the guys with sound systems are sorted too.
I realise that it gives them a marketing tool with this new speaker system for a TV n all that, it's just a shame that's all.
I do. I used to use the TV speakers but I used the AV ones for a while and when I switched back the TV speakers were horrible even for just simple TV shows. So now I always use the receiver. Doesn't take any extra work - with HDMI-CEC when I turn my TV on the receiver turns on too, and the TV remote volume buttons control the receiver
barneystuta83
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The best investment I've made to my gaming/tv set up was an AVR and 5.1 speakers.
It made watching films a whole different experience, even on an 'old' 1080p TV.
If people have the room, space, and capability... Definitely invest in a decent bespoke audio set up. Just seeing is not believing.
It made watching films a whole different experience, even on an 'old' 1080p TV.
If people have the room, space, and capability... Definitely invest in a decent bespoke audio set up. Just seeing is not believing.
I'm starting to realize that. I was reading user comments on the TV I just got (LG UH8500), and one of the most common complaints was that it has only three HDMI inputs. I was kind of baffled, because I've only ever used just one.... the one coming in from the receiver.
I reinitialized the TV yesterday so I could recalibrate everything with the new receiver/UHD Blu-ray player, and during its initial setup, the TV itself seemed baffled that I wanted to skip the network setup. "But.. no Smart TV!! No Netflix!! No YouTube!!" and again, I'm wondering why... all of that runs through my BD player, it always has. I specifically made sure to get a BD player that has all those things built into it.
The funny thing is that I really tried to get around buying a new receiver. I was hoping to run things through the TV and use the TV's ARC signal over HDMI to send the 5.1 audio back to my old receiver, but it just couldn't do it. I was able to get it working on some inputs but not others, and finally said "fuck it, this is too much effort" and just got a new receiver that would work directly with all the 4K/HDR and all that. Yamaha RX-V381, for those that were wondering (upgraded from my old RX-V377 that worked so well for me... I'd recommend the Yamaha stuff, it's solid).
It's just so much simpler running it all through a single box.
As an aside, if you are looking for a UHD Blu-ray player that can do all the Smart stuff, stay away from the LG. It has fuck-all built into it, not even Netflix. And it can't do DLNA over your network, either. I got the Sony UBP-X800, and it does all that just fine. Even the DLNA can run at 4K.
Of course I do. With HDMI CEC I don't even need to do anything; it will turn on automatically when my TV turns on.
Why in the world would I go out of my way to get worse quality?
Tried and the problem still persists. It was worse in fact to the point where the display kept blacking out. I tried this input with a PS4 Pro and don't seem to have that issue so it might just be the WiiU somehow.
I have a 900E and am 100% satisfied except for the viewing angle (which I knew about coming in). I was coming from a 2008 plasma FWIW.
Dr. Kitty Muffins
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I have the 900e and I'm not jealous of any other TV.
Theonik
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You could start by buying two new front speakers with upfiring channels That way you will instantly upgrade to 7.1.2 provided your receiver can do atmos.
This is why any half decent BD player has dual HDMI outputs so you can still get audio out of it without having to change a whole receiver and TV at once. The era between digital becoming less viable for non headphone users and HDMI audio out was painful. A shame consoles don't give us a second HDMI out for audio.
Options are always good, I won't argue that.
My old BD player only had one HDMI out, my new one has two. The second one is actually covered by a sticker, I guess they don't really want you using it unless you really need it.. hehe. Or, more likely, it wouldn't work right if you plugged the primary video output into the second port with nothing in the first one.
Theonik
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Second HDMI port only carries audio yes. Most manufacturers choose to label them as such. The trouble is that people still plug the cable in the wrong port and then return them because they don't work hence why some manufacturers are now covering the second port with a sticker.
BriareosGAF
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I can't get the PS4 Pro to handshake at all with the LG 55C7P. It is also failing to negotiate on boot through my Marantz NR1506. Just blinks this blue light. Second beep on safe mode boot same thing, no output.
Not sure if unit is a bust or what, pretty troubling.
vpance
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I can't even remember exactly when I bought my receiver is how old it is, but I suspect many people are the same. Going Atmos seems like a worthwhile upgrade though. I like how you can just plop 2-4 more speakers on top of existing ones.
holygeesus
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It's not always that simple. Some of us do have separate surround systems, but some of us with older set-ups, don't have amps that passthrough 4K HDR, for example.
Caayn
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Other brands seem to have no trouble pumping out multiple versions of the same TV. Look at the entire 6 and 7 series from LG as an example. Same panel and display tech, different design and sound systems depending on the "premiumness" of the model.
And with more models they can cover and compete in a larger market.
Indeed as I said, design over functionality. Which is a shame to be honest as it's a great TV.
I realize that. But just look at the popularity of the LG OLED models without the fancy soundbar/speakers. You'll see that people want the choice to buy the same TV but without the premium TV speakers.
Does anyone know how the Hisense H49M3000 performs as a gaming screen? I can't find any gaming-specific reviews or info on input lag. I'm considering this set as an upgrade to my racing rig (currently 32" 1080p Samsung, the Hisense would be 49" 4k 8-bit HDR) where all my gaming takes place.
Thanks in advance for any help or shared personal experience. I can get this set for £330 new at the moment.
Thanks in advance for any help or shared personal experience. I can get this set for £330 new at the moment.
Always. Just setup via Logitech harmony to do all input switching and on/off commands.
DOT DASH DOT
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HDTVtest video review of the B7, Vincent reckons 35% improvement over B6.
https://youtu.be/F9OvPfPd8s0
https://youtu.be/F9OvPfPd8s0
DOT DASH DOT
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Another add about the DX902 BFI mode, it actually works with 30 fps gaming too, which I'm really surprised about, I mean people say Sony's motion is amazing, but coming from someone who also owns a W905a, the Panny beats it hands down with BFI, not only does it hardly dim, and keeps 1080 lines, it can handle 30fps with no nasty side effects.
Being that this is Panny's first BFI attempt, it's extremely impressive.
Being that this is Panny's first BFI attempt, it's extremely impressive.
Vincent Teoh puts other TV "reviews" on YouTube to shame. Great stuff.
holygeesus
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Yes he is a great reviewer. I love the way he blends a straight-laced dead-pan delivery style, with some sly comedy at times. Why is he whispering in this video though? Did he record it in a library?
Unless it is strobing at 30Hz - which I guarantee it is not - it is going to have double-images or worse when displaying 30 FPS content.
Based on the previous comments, it sounds like it's strobing at 120Hz which would mean double-images with 60 FPS content and quadruple-images with 30 FPS content.
Which is exactly what it looks like in HDTVtest's review:
For comparison, here is a CRT displaying 24 FPS content at 96Hz, 72Hz, 48Hz, and 24Hz:
If you are using BFI or some other form of low-persistence display, the strobe frequency must be equal to the source framerate, or the source must be interpolated to match the strobe frequency.
DOT DASH DOT
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Unless it is strobing at 30Hz - which I guarantee it is not - it is going to have double-images or worse when displaying 30 FPS content.
Based on the previous comments, it sounds like it's strobing at 120Hz which would mean double-images with 60 FPS content and quadruple-images with 30 FPS content.
Which is exactly what it looks like in HDTVtest's review:
For comparison, here is a CRT displaying 24 FPS content at 96Hz, 72Hz, 48Hz, and 24Hz:
If you are using BFI or some other form of low-persistence display, the strobe frequency must be equal to the source framerate, or the source must be interpolated to match the strobe frequency.
Don't get me wrong there is a slight and I mean slight extension to the image at 60fps, but you are basically swapping a trail of blur with it off, for crisp textures and a very slight extension of the image, which is just miles better.
As for 30 fps, it just looks like a clearer judder of the image, like with BFI off you get the judder but with not very distinguishable frames, so it's blurry judder essentially.
But yeah I guess it's because the Panny has a native 120hz panel as opposed to the 60hz of the Sony, but regardless it's a clear step up, and I'm guessing the Sony has nice BFI on it's 120hz panels, but for whatever reason, Panasonic managed it with relatively low lag, even with interpolation, as its all under the IFC mode which is either on or off, id never use interpolation anyway.
I'm absolutely no expert on the matter, and you sound like you know your stuff, buy just eyeballing how it looks and it's clear to see that it's much better, and leaves the Sony in the dirt.
When I stick clear motion on, the screen dims i.e BFI, but it's not until you start turning up deblur 0-10 it begins to clear up the image, 10 being the clearest.
MWS Natural
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Moving into new home in Sep, need a TV for the living room. What are the best options for a TV that's 70+?
Terbinator
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Decent video, and honest summary although the value aspect of the B/C6 at the minute really can't be understated.
My only issue with all of the reviews coming out for this years models is as if they take place in a vacuum where no other TV has been released. I'm not sure if that's because they're new, and I know HDTVTest isn't one of the bigger sites, but there never appears to be a direct comparison in these reviews to competing sets.
I just find it odd and not actually that informative when compared to something like PC hardware reviews.
Rhazer Fusion
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Yep. Once you go OLED, it makes other TV's look obsolete, at least imo. Hard to believe they are making noticeable improvements in each year. I wonder imagine what OLED's will be like in 5 to 10 years.
TheBoss1
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Most people buy these sets because they're the cheapest you can get an OLED set for, not because they have a better sound system at home. I've been in enough homes to know that most don't give a shit about sound.
Caayn
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That doesn't invalidate me saying that people want to option to have the same TV without the premium speakers.
vpance
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He just needs to review more TVs but I guess he only does ones that get sent to him?