That's great to hear! I'm very new to seeking out the best quality from my games (outside high end of monitors). I don't think I have any reference for a difference in 480i and p so I expect I'll be blown away regardless. Thanks for the information!
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Retro AV Club Thread 2: Classic Gaming Done Right!
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You will be fineunless you're an OCD fuck like me or some others here you'll think it looks great. I do think some games look great too like mario Sunshine and wind waker. The colours really shine on component. The biggest issues mainly is aliasing.
Haha excellent. Thanks again!
Yep, I haven't stopped preaching the gospel to friends once I acquired a PVM, lol.
Never look back
or at your bank account.
NormalFish
Banned
Someone link that phonedork video.
Is it this one?
RadarScope1
Member
I say it every time: accept no substitutes.
geniusbits
Member
Homies and mijos, I have a Sony KV-32FV310, the 32" version of supposedly the best consumer grade SD television ever made, that I'm looking to get rid of in the Central Florida area. I also have a gently used SCART to component transcoder that will allow you to plug in your RGB SCART consoles. The TV has 2 component inputs, so I would use the one for converted SCART systems and the other for mixed component systems. It also has 2 S-video/composite inputs.
These I offer for free to anyone from this thread that wants to pick it up. The TV is quite heavy, 170 lbs or so, and I can't transport it by myself. I would hate to take it to a recycling center, since it is in such good shape. I actually had a TV tech do some work on it about a year and a half ago, replacing some caps and stuff like that. I really really wanted to use it to build a homemade arcade cabinet, but I moved to a smaller place and just couldn't get the project going.
Reply here or slide into PMs if interested. Thanks.
These I offer for free to anyone from this thread that wants to pick it up. The TV is quite heavy, 170 lbs or so, and I can't transport it by myself. I would hate to take it to a recycling center, since it is in such good shape. I actually had a TV tech do some work on it about a year and a half ago, replacing some caps and stuff like that. I really really wanted to use it to build a homemade arcade cabinet, but I moved to a smaller place and just couldn't get the project going.
Reply here or slide into PMs if interested. Thanks.
You'll be good as long as you don't expect 480p and it's in good condition. 480i still looks mighty nice on a PVM.
600 lines just means that you'll see thicker scanlines than what you're used to on a consumer set. It will land somewhere between these two examples, but still very clear like the right picture.
geniusbits
Member
That's for you to decide.
geniusbits
Member
St. Cloud, approximately 1.5 hour drive from Tampa I would say.
socksfelloff
Member
I can confirm the 310 is godlike. Here's what it'll look like (shot on my 310)
You could always get a universal remote, it takes a little fiddling and isn't perfect but ahould work depending on your set's manufacturer.
But if what your set is doing is similar to mine, there may be no way to disable it unfortunately.
FUCKING GO NOW!!!
I searched today but didn't find the remote I'll buy a cheap universal remote and hopefully it can be disabled.
Tarin02543
Member
That's just too good, I get goosebumps.
sixteen-bit
Member
That looks awesome.
Great shot, socksfelloff.
Thought I'd post some shots of my PVM 14M4U (800 lines!) I acquired a couple months ago (my second PVM).
My pictures can't compare to some of the best taken ones on here but hopefully this gives an idea of the image and how it can differ between systems.
Mystical Ninja on N64 with RGB.
H.E.R.O. on Colecovision with composite.
Streets of Rage 2 on Genesis with RGB.
Note that I've further adjusted the monitor since to slightly improve some of the geometry.
Thought I'd post some shots of my PVM 14M4U (800 lines!) I acquired a couple months ago (my second PVM).
My pictures can't compare to some of the best taken ones on here but hopefully this gives an idea of the image and how it can differ between systems.
Mystical Ninja on N64 with RGB.
H.E.R.O. on Colecovision with composite.
Streets of Rage 2 on Genesis with RGB.
Note that I've further adjusted the monitor since to slightly improve some of the geometry.
I'm probably going to have to find a new stand to put it on. I don't think the one I'm using now is going to be able to support a damn near 200 lbs TV.
Tried AA gameshark codes, EW!!!
PVMs are like emulator quality, wow.
Great shot, socksfelloff.
Thought I'd post some shots of my PVM 14M4U (800 lines!) I acquired a couple months ago (my second PVM).
My pictures can't compare to some of the best taken ones on here but hopefully this gives an idea of the image and how it can differ between systems.
Mystical Ninja on N64 with RGB.
H.E.R.O. on Colecovision with composite.
Streets of Rage 2 on Genesis with RGB.
Note that I've further adjusted the monitor since to slightly improve some of the geometry.
PVMs are like emulator quality, wow.
geniusbits
Member
You can have the table I have it on as well, I won't need it. Between the TV and the table though, you should have at least a mid-sized hatchback with nothing in it to transport all of this, if not something bigger. I have a Ford Focus hatchback and I think if I put the seats down and had nothing in it I could just barely fit this stuff in.
bodine1231
Member
I may have hit the PVM jackpot today. One of the editing studios I emailed last week just emailed me back and said they have 5 PVM's that are in storage that they'd sell! I told him I'd take them all but the guy doesnt know what they go for so he'll get back to me,great... I'm expecting him to jump on eBay and want an arm and a leg for them now. He's got a 20L5,3x 1954q and a 1354q. I'm hoping he'll cut me a bulk deal to get rid of them but I'm not hopeful now. What would you guys think is a good price for them all?
socksfelloff
Member
Glad you guys enjoyed the screenshot of the 310. I don't like to self promote but I wrote an article with my impressions here :
https://socksfelloff.wordpress.com/2017/02/26/sony-trinitron-fv310-crt/
There's more pictures including 480i and some off-screen video.
I consider it my 32" pvm!
https://socksfelloff.wordpress.com/2017/02/26/sony-trinitron-fv310-crt/
There's more pictures including 480i and some off-screen video.
I consider it my 32" pvm!
RadarScope1
Member
That's really amazing. I'd love to get one of these someday. Love my PVM but sometimes 20 inches feels a bit small in this day and age. Did they make this model in 24, 27, 29 inch sizes???
socksfelloff
Member
They came in 27,32 and 36". I have the 32 and that's a great size for 4 of us to sit infront of and get drunk. I mean play n64.
geniusbits
Member
32" is huge. If I get into a life situation where my ultimate project of a homemade multicade cabinet can ever happen, I might prefer the 27".
NormalFish
Banned
CRT give aways near tampa? anyone got a 14" PVM to give away? eh? EH?
bodine1231
Member
Well the guy from the movie studio got back to me and said I could come by and check out all the PVM's in person. I got there and met the owner and he was super cool,we chatted about gear for about 20 minutes in his office (NICE office) and why I wanted the PVM's. I told him about how they were perfect for classic games and he laughed and said he used to catch the editors playing on them when they were being used.
After we chatted he took me to one of the spare editing rooms where he had them all lined up and running on some studio gear,my jaw hit the floor. All of them had PERFECT picture and the geometry was EXCELLENT on all of them. I've had a PVM (20M4U) so I know what they look like,mine didn't look this good,these were NICE. A couple years ago they upgraded all of thier equipment and they just sat in the editing room in a corner,he didn't have the heart to throw them away because they cost alot of money (i bet). He said he purchased all of them brand new about 10 years ago and had them looked over every couple of years by a tech to keep them up to spec because they were used as their primary monitors for editing movies and commercials.
I was instantly sold of course. The problem was we never discussed price,the last time we emailed he said he didn't know what they were worth and needed to check,which is of course a bad sign.
So I braced myself and asked "how much are you asking"?
He said $500...
for all of them,this happened next...
So yeah,I go from a busted 20M4U to having seven PVM's in the span of a week (picked up two more from a couple other studios). I might sell a couple of these locally for like $250 (that's a fair price, right?) just to make my money back because I had to dip into savings to buy all of these. It was once in a lifetime and I didn't want to regret it later.
My biggest tip if you are looking is to google your state and "movie editing studios" and just email them all. While I struck out at 20+ places,it only takes one to have them. And usually places like that have more than one.
After we chatted he took me to one of the spare editing rooms where he had them all lined up and running on some studio gear,my jaw hit the floor. All of them had PERFECT picture and the geometry was EXCELLENT on all of them. I've had a PVM (20M4U) so I know what they look like,mine didn't look this good,these were NICE. A couple years ago they upgraded all of thier equipment and they just sat in the editing room in a corner,he didn't have the heart to throw them away because they cost alot of money (i bet). He said he purchased all of them brand new about 10 years ago and had them looked over every couple of years by a tech to keep them up to spec because they were used as their primary monitors for editing movies and commercials.
I was instantly sold of course. The problem was we never discussed price,the last time we emailed he said he didn't know what they were worth and needed to check,which is of course a bad sign.
So I braced myself and asked "how much are you asking"?
He said $500...
for all of them,this happened next...
So yeah,I go from a busted 20M4U to having seven PVM's in the span of a week (picked up two more from a couple other studios). I might sell a couple of these locally for like $250 (that's a fair price, right?) just to make my money back because I had to dip into savings to buy all of these. It was once in a lifetime and I didn't want to regret it later.
My biggest tip if you are looking is to google your state and "movie editing studios" and just email them all. While I struck out at 20+ places,it only takes one to have them. And usually places like that have more than one.
sixteen-bit
Member
Nice haul!
Triforce141
Member
That's a really nice deal for seven PVMs
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
Oh, my gscartsw lite and gcompsw showed up today. Cool! I'll take pics later, once I'm home and can take 'em out of the box.
Also got all the remaining parts for my arcade stick. This should be quite the adventure.
Also got all the remaining parts for my arcade stick. This should be quite the adventure.
bodine1231
Member
Lol I dont think I have that many SNES scart cables.
davidwhangchoi
Member
where do you live? i'm coming over!Well the guy from the movie studio got back to me and said I could come by and check out all the PVM's in person. I got there and met the owner and he was super cool,we chatted about gear for about 20 minutes in his office (NICE office) and why I wanted the PVM's. I told him about how they were perfect for classic games and he laughed and said he used to catch the editors playing on them when they were being used.
After we chatted he took me to one of the spare editing rooms where he had them all lined up and running on some studio gear,my jaw hit the floor. All of them had PERFECT picture and the geometry was EXCELLENT on all of them. I've had a PVM (20M4U) so I know what they look like,mine didn't look this good,these were NICE. A couple years ago they upgraded all of thier equipment and they just sat in the editing room in a corner,he didn't have the heart to throw them away because they cost alot of money (i bet). He said he purchased all of them brand new about 10 years ago and had them looked over every couple of years by a tech to keep them up to spec because they were used as their primary monitors for editing movies and commercials.
I was instantly sold of course. The problem was we never discussed price,the last time we emailed he said he didn't know what they were worth and needed to check,which is of course a bad sign.
So I braced myself and asked "how much are you asking"?
He said $500...
for all of them,this happened next...
So yeah,I go from a busted 20M4U to having seven PVM's in the span of a week (picked up two more from a couple other studios). I might sell a couple of these locally for like $250 (that's a fair price, right?) just to make my money back because I had to dip into savings to buy all of these. It was once in a lifetime and I didn't want to regret it later.
My biggest tip if you are looking is to google your state and "movie editing studios" and just email them all. While I struck out at 20+ places,it only takes one to have them. And usually places like that have more than one.
NormalFish
Banned
I got a couple new plants. They don't help me play games but I mean while we're sharing...
bodine1231
Member
Haha,Louisiana
davidwhangchoi
Member
too far away!
geniusbits
Member
They could all be linked together with BNC cables from output to input right? Isn't that how they were used in news studios?
A related question, I have a JVC monitor and I was wondering if this chain would work:
Consoles to SCART switch
SCART switch output to BNC adapter
BNC RGB cables into JVC monitor
BNC RGB cables out of JVC monitor out
BNC to SCART adapter (going in the other direction? does that exist, or does the one cable work going both ways?)
SCART to Framemeister adapter
This setup would allow me to simultaneously play a game on my little JVC RGB monitor as well as the Framemeister on my plasma. I would probably just do it for a cool pic to post here.
A related question, I have a JVC monitor and I was wondering if this chain would work:
Consoles to SCART switch
SCART switch output to BNC adapter
BNC RGB cables into JVC monitor
BNC RGB cables out of JVC monitor out
BNC to SCART adapter (going in the other direction? does that exist, or does the one cable work going both ways?)
SCART to Framemeister adapter
This setup would allow me to simultaneously play a game on my little JVC RGB monitor as well as the Framemeister on my plasma. I would probably just do it for a cool pic to post here.
No, you should chain the monitors together with BNC cables. You'll only need one SNES SCART cable.
They do make the adapter in the opposite direction. I think retro console accessories will make this for you if you ask her.
Well the guy from the movie studio got back to me and said I could come by and check out all the PVM's in person. I got there and met the owner and he was super cool,we chatted about gear for about 20 minutes in his office (NICE office) and why I wanted the PVM's. I told him about how they were perfect for classic games and he laughed and said he used to catch the editors playing on them when they were being used.
After we chatted he took me to one of the spare editing rooms where he had them all lined up and running on some studio gear,my jaw hit the floor. All of them had PERFECT picture and the geometry was EXCELLENT on all of them. I've had a PVM (20M4U) so I know what they look like,mine didn't look this good,these were NICE. A couple years ago they upgraded all of thier equipment and they just sat in the editing room in a corner,he didn't have the heart to throw them away because they cost alot of money (i bet). He said he purchased all of them brand new about 10 years ago and had them looked over every couple of years by a tech to keep them up to spec because they were used as their primary monitors for editing movies and commercials.
I was instantly sold of course. The problem was we never discussed price,the last time we emailed he said he didn't know what they were worth and needed to check,which is of course a bad sign.
So I braced myself and asked "how much are you asking"?
He said $500...
for all of them,this happened next...
So yeah,I go from a busted 20M4U to having seven PVM's in the span of a week (picked up two more from a couple other studios). I might sell a couple of these locally for like $250 (that's a fair price, right?) just to make my money back because I had to dip into savings to buy all of these. It was once in a lifetime and I didn't want to regret it later.
My biggest tip if you are looking is to google your state and "movie editing studios" and just email them all. While I struck out at 20+ places,it only takes one to have them. And usually places like that have more than one.
Damn! Congrats...and I suppose we've found our host for the Retro get together.
bodine1231
Member
I probably should have asked the guy for some but I just wanted to get out of there before he changed his mind,lol. I also totally forgot to ask for power cables as well.
Holy PVM haul! I have a 1954q and enjoy it although it's no 20L5. I was able to buy it surplus from work. It came with a bunch of other stuff that I sold off, ending up buying it for ~$50. 20L5's are listed at like $1,000 on eBay now. Amazing deal, congrats as it sounds like persistence paid off...big time.
Laevateinn
Member
Well the guy from the movie studio got back to me and said I could come by and check out all the PVM's in person. I got there and met the owner and he was super cool,we chatted about gear for about 20 minutes in his office (NICE office) and why I wanted the PVM's. I told him about how they were perfect for classic games and he laughed and said he used to catch the editors playing on them when they were being used.
After we chatted he took me to one of the spare editing rooms where he had them all lined up and running on some studio gear,my jaw hit the floor. All of them had PERFECT picture and the geometry was EXCELLENT on all of them. I've had a PVM (20M4U) so I know what they look like,mine didn't look this good,these were NICE. A couple years ago they upgraded all of thier equipment and they just sat in the editing room in a corner,he didn't have the heart to throw them away because they cost alot of money (i bet). He said he purchased all of them brand new about 10 years ago and had them looked over every couple of years by a tech to keep them up to spec because they were used as their primary monitors for editing movies and commercials.
I was instantly sold of course. The problem was we never discussed price,the last time we emailed he said he didn't know what they were worth and needed to check,which is of course a bad sign.
So I braced myself and asked "how much are you asking"?
He said $500...
for all of them,this happened next...
So yeah,I go from a busted 20M4U to having seven PVM's in the span of a week (picked up two more from a couple other studios). I might sell a couple of these locally for like $250 (that's a fair price, right?) just to make my money back because I had to dip into savings to buy all of these. It was once in a lifetime and I didn't want to regret it later.
My biggest tip if you are looking is to google your state and "movie editing studios" and just email them all. While I struck out at 20+ places,it only takes one to have them. And usually places like that have more than one.
Yoooooo if you're willing to ship let me know.
bodine1231
Member
Yeah while he was demoing them for me he kept telling me how the 20L5 cost way more than the others,you could also tell it was the better set with all of them running at once. I was really really hoping for a BVM,he said he had one but was keeping it just in case they needed one for some old VHS tapes.
I had so many opportunities to get a haul of Broadcast quality CRTs like this. I really can't believe how quickly the scene dried up. One day they were easy to find, the next day they were gone. I feel lucky I have any at all considering I only picked mine up 3 or so years ago when they seemed to be in large supply.
socksfelloff
Member
Sweet monitor haul!
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