People told me I was an idiot for that stance on a different topic. If something is legal you really don't have any right to complain about it.
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Guy carries his ar-15 to go shopping at JC Penny
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People told me I was an idiot for that stance on a different topic. If something is legal you really don't have any right to complain about it.
what state is that?
Jest Chillin
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And what state is it that people won't care if you're carrying an AR-15 into a Department Store?
Keep in mind I spent 6 years in Texas (Killeen/Ft. Hood) and I'm now in Florida.
timmytheman123
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Being legal matters a lot actually. You seem to have problems with people carrying a rifle in public but what about a handgun? I even said I don't carry a gun in public.
timmytheman123
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I live in NC but I have never seen anyone carrying a rifle around. See people with handguns all the time.
MooseKnuckles
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This is one of the most idiotic sentiments I have ever heard. The law is fluid and adapts to changing standards within society. Eg slavery
WanderingWind
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The insanity is being so detached from reality that you think people shouldn't react to a rifle being carried around a department store. This is not the sign of a responsible, rational thinking adult. You know, the kind of person who should own a weapon. It's the sign of a blustering idiot.
Gun supporters are doing themselves absolutely no favors by acting this way. All they're doing is driving moderates on this issue away. If the NRA and its supporters would stop focusing so damn much on the power fantasy of owning a gun they might just find out they have support outside of people who own them. Playing so heavily to their base is only enticing idiots like the JcPenny Desperado here and galvanizing the anti-gun movement.
tl;dr: Stupid stunts like these are only securing more support for anti-gun legislation. You're bringing this shit on yourselves.
Jest Chillin
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So your issue apparently is that you don't understand why people view rifles as more dangerouss than pistols?
Yup. Please continue, gentlemen.
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The Autumn Wind
I aim to please.
timmytheman123
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Jest Chillin
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Well the issue really is that the NRA supports the industry, not the people but somehow the people themselves don't recognize this.
This is why whenever there is a major shooting the NRA spreads the theory that "ok this is it. THIS one FINALLY did it and they're going to take your guns away.. so you better go out and buy as many as you can afford NOW even with the prices inflated to high hell."
WanderingWind
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Oh shit. That is literally the first time I have ever heard of open carry laws. Thank you so very much for that wikipedia link. You have opened my eyes.
timmytheman123
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Pistols are just as dangerous as rifles. My issue is that everyone is concerned over an unloaded gun when people are legally allowed to carry loaded guns. If someone really wants to shoot up a place they are not going to follow the law.
And rifles are the best accessory.
timmytheman123
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May I ask what issue you have with this then?
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The Autumn Wind
Is the happy couple registered at Outdoor World? I know just what you can get them.
WanderingWind
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...and this line of logic then leads you to....?
Oh, right. People being concerned seeing rifles being carried through department stores, regardless of open carry laws.
Funny how that comes full circle, huh?
Kite
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I've heard of open carry laws but never did much research into them. Go Texas, gaf loves to shit on my state but I'm glad we have a non-retarded open carry law.
Non-permissive open carry state
In these states, open carry of a handgun is not lawful, or is only lawful under such a limited set of circumstances that public carry is prohibited. Such limited circumstances may include when hunting, or while traveling to/from hunting locations, while on property controlled by the person carrying, or for lawful self-defense.
what caliber goes best with a navy suit & brown shoes? i don't want to go "so summer" that i lose the formaility of it all.
i'll hold off on that for a bit. after all, 5 years is the "hollow point" anniversary.
this is like arguing with a block of marble
timmytheman123
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Anyone who carries in public can randomly start shooting people.
Kite
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lol bullshit, pistols are inaccurate as hell. Took me several trips to the range for me to kinda sorta hit targets at 10m reliably with a m9. With a m4 (I'm told the ar15 is pretty much identical) that would be child's play.
hey I'll echo all that replacing "florida." surprised. I'll go to sleep slightly better than expected tonight...
Jest Chillin
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Pistols are probably more dangerous in a setting such as a Department store due to ease of use but the point is that People are not accustomed to Rifles in such a setting and as such will generally assume that the appearance of a Rifle in such a setting reflects a desire to harm. After all Guns are harmful and there's no reasonable justification as to why anyone should feel the need to carry a weapon with power of a Rifle into such a location if they don't intend to harm.
WanderingWind
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And yet you don't understand why people would be concerned.
Yeah, you're either trolling or just...I don't know. Stoned/drunk off your gourd?
timmytheman123
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Pistols being less accurate than rifles makes them less dangerous?. Both can kill very easily look at VT shooting.
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The Autumn Wind
Well, you've certainly put me at ease.
Maybe our state isn't so crazy after all. (Ha!)
Kite
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If the VT shooter had a rifle that has more firepower and is more accurate, I would not bet on a lower body count. Why do you argue stupid things?
Yeah we both know we shouldn't go that far
timmytheman123
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People might be concerned but it shouldn't matter they have nothing to worry about. Where do you live? Do people freak out whenever they see someone carrying a gun? I'm definitely not trolling.
PantherLotus
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The 'if someone wants to commit a crime it doesn't matter what the laws are' meme has to be the single stupidest fucking thing i've ever heard. And I've read NeoGAF for a decade.
Laws aren't meant to STOP criminals, they're meant to IDENTIFY them. Man you people are stupid.
Laws aren't meant to STOP criminals, they're meant to IDENTIFY them. Man you people are stupid.
Seriously, this is it. how can anyone argue against common sense.
WanderingWind
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timmytheman123
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I said pistols are just as dangerous as rifles. You said no. 32 people murdered tells me they can be very dangerous.
makingmusic476
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Israel also practices forced conscription, which results in a super-militaristic culture like that.
Jest Chillin
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In a world where an Army Major can suddenly turn on his fellow soldiers in a shooting spree on American Soil.. yes.. regular citizens can and do get very nervous when they see someone carrying a gun.
Like I said.. I've lived in CC states and when I noticed that someone is carrying a loaded gun, holstered or not.. legal or not.. I become quite nervous. I cannot guess what that person's mental state is. I don't know that person's temper and whether or not they can actually be trusted to keep the weapon holstered if they become upset.
The prevalence of this fallacy from Hannity on downward has been quite depressing to me as well, PanLo.
Do you mean gators or Gators?
Some of us argue for rationality you know.timmytheman123
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But this is exactly my point people carry both openly and concealed more than you probably know. Why aren't there thousands of shootings everyday? Majority of these people are responsible gun owners who follow the law. Nothing is stopping a crazy person from going on a rampage. Yet people seem to fear these gun owners, why?
WanderingWind
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timmytheman123
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A person who is open carrying is already drawing attention to himself. I doubt some crazy person is going to be walking around with a holstered weapon before going on a killing spree.
timmytheman123
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You keep ignoring my points. You have a problem with guns but that's ok. With all the millions of guns in use and with all the carrying of firearms in public why are there so few shootings?
Jest Chillin
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Let me stop you right there. I've heard first hand accounts from multiple people who Conceal Carry where, in situations of heated discourse, they reveal they have a loaded weapon. Just because a person doesn't shoot someone with their weapon does not mean they're being responsible with it. In fact, a fairly large portion of people who DO conceal carry, do so for that exact trump card.
The "mess with me and I have the ability to end your life" card. Rather than being responsible and trying to resolve issues like mature adults, they'd rather flash a gun to end the conflict with a dominant and deadly threat.
speculawyer
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So if someone just runs around screaming racial epithets at every person he sees, no one has a right to complain about it? No one has a right to complain about the Westboro Baptist Church protests with "God loves dead US soldiers"?
WanderingWind
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No, I'm holding you accountable for your words and not letting you change the narrative based on the fact that you realized you were wrong. People have a legitimate reason to be concerned with openly carried weapons in clothing stores. If you don't understand that, then you do not understand the words you've typed.
And please, tell me more about how I have a problem with guns, so that I can embarass you further.
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