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shiyrley · Sep 17, 2015

I just noticed it in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVPc_1nYoME

For example, at 1:53 it's clearly running at 30 FPS, and at around 2:00 it suddenly jumps to 60 FPS. You can notice it many more times. Double buffer vsync, when the console can't keep 60 FPS, instead of dropping to, say, 59 or 58 FPS, it will just halve the framerate and go for 30 FPS until it can reach 60 again.

I just can't believe this, how are we supposed to play this when the framerate is jumping around between 30 and 60 FPS all the time, it will feel super weird. Was this programmed by monkeys? With those graphics both PS4 and Xbone should keep 60 FPS no problem.

Although I noticed it with my naked eye no problem, I would be thankful if someone were able to do a digital foundry-style FPS test.

weekev · Sep 17, 2015

You mean it Ollies between 30 and 60 fps?

Broken Joystick · Sep 17, 2015

"I'm not being paid to say this"
Hmmm.

Gravy Boat · Sep 17, 2015

Maybe I'm blind but I don't see it.

shiyrley · Sep 17, 2015

weekev said:
You mean it Ollies between 30 and 60 fps?

McGreevious said:
Maybe I'm blind but I don't see it.

Yeah I understand that many people won't be able to notice it that easily on a video, that's why I asked if someone can do a FPS test, but I'm 100% sure it's happening.

Yoshichan · Sep 17, 2015

Altough having being a defender for this game, if this is an actual representation of how the full game will run, I'm definitely grinding myself out of this train.

HazySaiyan · Sep 17, 2015

If that happens a lot then the game will be pretty much unplayable. It is possible that this won't be a problem once the game comes out though, so I'm gonna hold off passing judgement until then.

EDIT:

shiyrley said:
Yeah I understand that many people won't be able to notice it that easily on a video, that's why I asked if someone can do a FPS test, but I'm 100% sure it's happening.

Don't worry, I definitely saw it too. Right at the point where you said you noticed it.

BrettHeazy · Sep 17, 2015

I think wait till release to pass judgement.

this guy could of captured this from multiple events and or capture cards.

weekev · Sep 17, 2015

The most jarring thing I found about the gameplay video was the lack of music. It has been one of the best features of Tony Hawks games, why would they release a gameplay video and have the music there with it?

It does look like a return to the ps2 games though and unfortunately I dont mean that as a compliment.

Teletraan1 · Sep 17, 2015

This game has looked absolutely terrible since it was revealed. I was hoping for a decent effort Tony Hawk game that went back to its roots but that isn't what this is. When you let a tired franchise with sore udders rest for a while you better come back with a solid game. This franchise doesn't have many chances left and they are burning this one on some mobile game turned console nightmare. They should cancel this.

ricardo_sousa11 · Sep 17, 2015

That looks quite terrible, looking worse and worse everytime.

It also looks like it runs between 25-60 fps, theres a lot of drops.

I dont know why people spend time and talent on this, then the companies cancel franchises because "it didnt sell well", of course it wont sell well, it looks like a fucking ps2 game, worse than current mobile games...

Yautja_Warrior · Sep 17, 2015

I wouldn't jump to conclusions over one YouTube video just yet, but I won't be picking this up until the reviews are out and maybe see if Digital Foundry does it's testing on it 1st.

Hasney · Sep 17, 2015

As much as I'd love to give THPS5 yet more shit, I'm going to wait and see on this. It could be a botched capture or anything going on here.

That said, it'll just make me laugh that much harder if it does launch doing that.

JetSetRadio · Sep 17, 2015

You aren't supposed to play it.

Lijik · Sep 17, 2015

Broken Joystick said:
"I'm not being paid to say this"
Hmmm.

Anyways dont forget to preorder

fastmower · Sep 17, 2015

Fantastic first post. But yeah, this game could have been great...it's too bad.

Shiggy · Sep 17, 2015

This is actually a compromise both those longing for 60fps and those longing for higher visual fidelity happy.

Hasney · Sep 17, 2015

Shiggy said:
This is actually a compromise both those longing for 60fps and those longing for higher visual fidelity happy.

Even drops to 24fps for when those moments just need to feel like a movie!

shiyrley · Sep 17, 2015

Hasney said:
As much as I'd love to give THPS5 yet more shit, I'm going to wait and see on this. It could be a botched capture or anything going on here.

That said, it'll just make me laugh that much harder if it does launch doing that.

The FPS drop happen when there is more graphical load, for example the scene at around 2:04. 30 FPS, he goes down the ramp, the camera angle changes and less of the map is rendered, you can notice 60 FPS for a second, he jumps, the whole map is seen again, 30 FPS again. That can't be a botched capture.

It can change when the game actually launches of course, but I doubt it lol

Shiggy said:
This is actually a compromise both those longing for 60fps and those longing for higher visual fidelity happy.

No, they could just use triple buffer vsync and when the game has to drop frames it would just drop to 55 FPS or whatever, not to 30.

Methamatics101 · Sep 17, 2015

I bet it's just for that cinematic experience.

Theecliff · Sep 17, 2015

weekev said:
The most jarring thing I found about the gameplay video was the lack of music. It has been one of the best features of Tony Hawks games, why would they release a gameplay video and have the music there with it?

It does look like a return to the ps2 games though and unfortunately I dont mean that as a compliment.

no doubt because of licensing issues with putting the music on youtube

if there is one salvageable thing to come out of this game it'll have to be the soundtrack. aside from one or two tracks it's genuinely pretty good.

jediyoshi · Sep 17, 2015

Shiggy said:
This is actually a compromise both those longing for 60fps and those longing for higher visual fidelity happy.

The middle ground of giant FPS drops are their own problem. I never really understood framerate smoothing, it especially looks way too noticeable in UE3 games like here.

Methamatics101 said:
I bet it's just for that cinematic experience™.

Wrong framerate.

Hasney · Sep 17, 2015

shiyrley said:
The FPS drop happen when there is more graphical load, for example the scene at around 2:04. 30 FPS, he goes down the ramp, the camera angle changes and less of the map is rendered, you can notice 60 FPS for a second, he jumps, the whole map is seen again, 30 FPS again. That can't be a botched capture.

It can change when the game actually launches of course, but I doubt it lol

No, they could just use triple buffer vsync and when the game has to drop frames it would just drop to 55 FPS or whatever, not to 30.

It's probably what happens when you decide to completely change graphical style with only months to launch!

This is going to be the greatest review thread.

Jito · Sep 17, 2015

I laugh every time I see this up for pre order at like £50, who the hell is buying this at that price? It should be way cheaper by the looks of it.

Joey Ravn · Sep 17, 2015

Shiggy said:
This is actually a compromise both those longing for 60fps and those longing for higher visual fidelity happy.

Eye candy over performance? Well, sure. Great. Now give us that higher visual fidelity you're speaking of.

Liamario · Sep 17, 2015

Also seems to be plenty of screen tearing.

smashballTaz · Sep 17, 2015

Activision in low quality game release shocker!

GavinGT · Sep 17, 2015

Hasney said:
Even drops to 24fps for when those moments just need to feel like a movie!

It also sometimes looks like a mobile game to keep that crowd happy!

Piston Hyundai · Sep 17, 2015

it just gets worse

ekim · Sep 17, 2015

Maybe a video encoding problem? But yeah - it's very noticeable. If this is in the final game it would be a bummer because it looks pretty fun tbh.

TheSlySoul · Sep 17, 2015

I cannot believe they want $60 for this. The moves still clip over the combo counter...

tioslash · Sep 17, 2015

Shiggy said:
This is actually a compromise both those longing for 60fps and those longing for higher visual fidelity happy.

What higher visual fidelity are you talking about here?

smashballTaz · Sep 17, 2015

There's a weird disconnect between the animation of the player and the way it interacts with the world. Like its green-screened or something? And the UI is a total busy mess. Its a shame this isn't shaping up to be great, I loved Pro Skater 4 on the Gamecube.

Rebel Leader · Sep 17, 2015

shiyrley said:
Yeah I understand that many people won't be able to notice it that easily on a video, that's why I asked if someone can do a FPS test, but I'm 100% sure it's happening.

I also see the slowdown

Warxard · Sep 17, 2015

Wow that gameplay looks...much more improved than what we've seen so far.

This could be an old build, so I'll reserve judgement about the framerate but this new gameplay actually excited me. It doesn't look so damn jerky anymore with grind transitions (assuming he isn't using Slam?)

smashballTaz said:
There's a weird disconnect between the animation of the player and the way it interacts with the world. Like its green-screened or something? And the UI is a total busy mess. Its a shame this isn't shaping up to be great, I loved Pro Skater 4 on the Gamecube.

UI is busy? Looks about the same as any other THPS title.

Ban Puncher · Sep 17, 2015

Broken Joystick said:
"I'm not being paid to say this"

SomedayTheFire · Sep 17, 2015

Boo Boo'n said:
Wow that gameplay looks...much more improved than what we've seen so far.

This could be an old build, so I'll reserve judgement about the framerate but this new gameplay actually excited me. It doesn't look so damn jerky anymore with grind transitions (assuming he isn't using Slam?)

There was a slam grind in the first character play through. Still looks ridiculously awkward cause it doesn't take momentum or the characters position into account, but yeah when he's not using slam it looks so much better.

Dynamite Shikoku · Sep 17, 2015

Looks like a capture problem

jon bones · Sep 17, 2015

oohhhh that's actually shaping up quite nicely

pleasebegoodpleasebegoodpleasebegood

RoadHazard · Sep 17, 2015

Taking a note from CDPR's book, I see.

Alcoholikaust · Sep 17, 2015

Dynamite Shikoku said:
Looks like a capture problem

yup. same thing that plagued the mad max gameplay captures until a week prior to release

Warxard · Sep 17, 2015

SomedayTheFire said:
There was a slam grind in the first character play through. Still looks ridiculously awkward cause it doesn't take momentum or the characters position into account, but yeah when he's not using slam it looks so much better.

I guess that's the purpose of re mechanic lol. Thankfully it's optional. Trick lines don't seem to be as jarring to do as it was in THPSHD.

Board speed's seem to be a little faster than THPS3 but not as fast as THPS4 can be.

What I DONT like is that THPS5 not having blue highlights / sound notifications for gaps or specials. That's gonna be real fucked to listen to.

--

OP could this be a Capture problem...?

Shiggy · Sep 17, 2015

Hasney said:
Even drops to 24fps for when those moments just need to feel like a movie!

Exactly! THPS5 is more like a cinematic experience and thus it should feel like one. 6fps more or less - for the cinematic experience it does not really matter. After extensive testing at Robomodo (playing the game at framerates between 20-30fps), it was seen that most users do not see a difference. Please bear in mind that the game was made for all ages, so the framerate tests have been made with people aged 70 and above.

Now with the flexible framerate, it can be ensured that the game runs at 60fps, just not at all times.

shiyrley said:
No, they could just use triple buffer vsync and when the game has to drop frames it would just drop to 55 FPS or whatever, not to 30.

But that's how other studios would do it. Here we've got an innovative solution concepted by the technical leads at Robomodo. Why should there only be gameplay innovations? Why not disrupt the concept of having a constant framerate? There are a number of advantages to a flexible framerate with large framerate drops. I am sure you will see those once you try the game. I do not want to spoil your experience.

Joey Ravn said:
Eye candy over performance? Well, sure. Great. Now give us that higher visual fidelity you're speaking of.

At Robomodo they've worked hard to create the best possible experience for gamers. It's a team made of gamers, dedicated to gamers. While it is hard to please every fan, Robomodo ensured to have Tony Hawk Pro Skater 5 use the full technical capabilities of the new console generation, which obviously limits the visual fidelity to some extent when compared to high-end PCs. Nevertheless, both Activision and Robomodo are incredibly happy to receive feedback to improve upcoming titles in the Tony Hawk series.

What higher visual fidelity are you talking about here?

It is definitely one of the most advanced visual experiences in the Tony Hawk series. Robomodo put in a lot of resources to achieve the visual fidelity seen in the game footage, which is only possible on the current hardware generation. Robomodo and Activision both believe that the game does not pale in comparison to upcoming titles such as Uncharted 4 or Sea of Thieves. Depending on the monetary contributions Activision makes to the organisation team of the VGA, THPS5 may even win an award or two.

Alienous · Sep 17, 2015

With game engines so widespread and easily available I had almost forgotten what a technically atrocious game looked like.

Amazing.

EDIT:

Wait, this uses Unreal Engine 3? How did they manage this?

pikablu · Sep 17, 2015

This post is so confusing ^ @shiggy

Backfoggen · Sep 17, 2015

Double buffering on PS4?

baphomet · Sep 17, 2015

Weird, the video at least is absolutely jumping between 60 and 30.

Exotoro · Sep 17, 2015

pikablu said:
This post is so confusing ^ @shiggy

I feel like its a dangerous amount of concentrated sarcasm

shiyrley · Sep 17, 2015

This also makes me wonder how the PS3 and 360 versions will run if it runs like this on PS4 / one, lol...

TheSlySoul · Sep 17, 2015

pikablu said:
This post is so confusing ^ @shiggy

The sarcasm is strong in this one.

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