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JoeM86 · Dec 27, 2015

We thought this was coming, but we weren't sure.

http://www.hori.jp/products/wiiu/wiiu_pokken_controller/

According to the official HORI site for the upcoming controller, it noted that you cannot use 2 of the controller while playing in the local play mode. It says that Player 1 has to use the Wii U the GamePad as their perspective.

Feel free to correct me if my Japanese is wrong

CaviarMeths · Dec 27, 2015

Oh, I was kinda just taking it for granted. Didn't know it wasn't "official." No local multi would have been a total deal-breaker for sure, as it would be for any fighting game.

JoeM86 · Dec 27, 2015

CaviarMeths said:
Oh, I was kinda just taking it for granted. Didn't know it wasn't "official." No local multi would have been a total deal-breaker for sure, as it would be for any fighting game.

It was a tricky thing due to how the game is. Would it have been splitscreen or not? etc., which caused some to think it'd be online only.

Santiako · Dec 27, 2015

Is there any fighting game with no local?

Master Milk · Dec 27, 2015

JoeM86 said:
It says that Player 1 has to use the Wii U the GamePad as their perspective.

Absolutely disgusting

Bluth54 · Dec 27, 2015

It would probably be more news worthy if it didn't have local multiplayer.

ZeroX03 · Dec 27, 2015

Master Milk said:
Absolutely disgusting

Players have different perspectives, it makes sense they'd need two screens? They would have to redo the camera.

JoeM86 · Dec 27, 2015

Bluth54 said:
It would probably be more news worthy if it didn't have local multiplayer.

It's 2015. Local multiplayer is about as common as a shiny Vespiquen

oneida · Dec 27, 2015

JoeM86 said:
It's 2015. Local multiplayer is about as common as a shiny Vespiquen

it's a fighting game

Roufianos · Dec 27, 2015

The different perspective on the Wii U pad is a great idea, I was hoping they'd do that.

Garrett Hawke · Dec 27, 2015

JoeM86 said:
It was a tricky thing due to how the game is. Would it have been splitscreen or not? etc., which caused some to think it'd be online only.

Could you please explain why this would be an issue? Haven't been keeping up with Pokken

JoeM86 · Dec 27, 2015

Roufianos said:
The different perspective on the Wii U pad is a great idea, I was hoping they'd do that.

As was I. Splitscreen while functional just wouldn't look right with this game, especially considering how it changes perspectives from 3D to 2D. People forget this isn't a 2D fighter

ZeroX03 · Dec 27, 2015

JoeM86 said:
It's 2015. Local multiplayer is about as common as a shiny Vespiquen

Don't be daft Joe, it's a fighting game.

kuroneko0509 · Dec 27, 2015

i don't really see why they really need gamepad to be used during local multi...

Aostia · Dec 27, 2015

Master Milk said:
Absolutely disgusting

The second screen feature for local multiplayer is great. One of the best things out there. Too bad for example that mario kart 8 doesn't allow that

JoeM86 · Dec 27, 2015

kuroneko0509 said:
i don't really see why they really need gamepad to be used during local multi...

This is how the game plays. This is each player's perspective in the arcades

It's not a 2D fighter. Splitscreen would also not be that viable

oneida · Dec 27, 2015

JoeM86 said:
This is how the game plays. This is each player's perspective in the arcades

It's not a 2D fighter. Splitscreen would also not be that viable

ever see the naruto fighters?

kuroneko0509 · Dec 27, 2015

JoeM86 said:
This is how the game plays. This is each player's perspective in the arcades

It's not a 2D fighter. Splitscreen would also not be that viable

3d mode isn't really a problem when there's bunch other 3d fighting game that works well on single screen. then again, i guess since it's pretty much almost a straight port from arcade, reworking that part probably will took them more time thus they decided it's not worth to do so hah

JoeM86 · Dec 27, 2015

oneida said:
ever see the naruto fighters?

I had not. How did they do it?

oneida · Dec 27, 2015

JoeM86 said:
I had not. How did they do it?

The screen looks like that for both players. one player is smaller on the screen, no biggie!

CaviarMeths · Dec 27, 2015

Master Milk said:
Absolutely disgusting

Yeah, I hate it when both players have a whole screen to themselves. So gross.

Hero Prinny · Dec 27, 2015

They should have done the naruto way as an option, i dont like using the gamepad much

kuroneko0509 · Dec 27, 2015

CaviarMeths said:
Yeah, I hate it when both players have a whole screen to themselves. So gross.

it's not about the screen, it's about limiting your controller option

Renkax · Dec 27, 2015

I feel like having one player on the game pad is kinda lame.. Since the game goes from 3d to 2d fighting plane. Couch co-op should be locked into a 2d perspective :x

Calvero · Dec 27, 2015

Renkax said:
I feel like having one player on the game pad is kinda lame.. Since the game goes from 3d to 2d fighting plane. Couch co-op should be locked into a 2d perspective :x

Locked to 2D perspective? No please.

freeofgreed · Dec 27, 2015

oneida said:
ever see the naruto fighters?

Yeah came in here to say this. The naruto games have a similar camera and are able to do local multiplayer just fine on a single screen.

oneida · Dec 27, 2015

Renkax said:
I feel like having one player on the game pad is kinda lame.. Since the game goes from 3d to 2d fighting plane. Couch co-op should be locked into a 2d perspective :x

Calvero said:
Locked to 2D perspective? No please.

http://youtu.be/Ox0aqVzM1DI

JoeM86 · Dec 27, 2015

freeofgreed said:
Yeah came in here to say this. The naruto games have a similar camera and are able to do local multiplayer just fine on a single screen.

Did a quick search and spotted this.

Is this how they do it? I don't like that, so much wasted space

MatrixMan.EXE · Dec 27, 2015

JoeM86 said:
It's 2015. Local multiplayer is about as common as a shiny Vespiquen

Not in a fighting game lol.

oneida · Dec 27, 2015

JoeM86 said:
Did a quick search and spotted this.

Is this how they do it? I don't like that, so much wasted space

no, look at the video i posted.

JoeM86 · Dec 27, 2015

oneida said:
no, look at the video i posted.

Isn't that single player?

kuroneko0509 · Dec 27, 2015

JoeM86 said:
Isn't that single player?

no difference between single or multi

oneida · Dec 27, 2015

JoeM86 said:
Isn't that single player?

it looks like that for multiplayer too.
http://youtu.be/ZXHszLEQW90
did you think i was lying

CaviarMeths · Dec 27, 2015

oneida said:
The screen looks like that for both players. one player is smaller on the screen, no biggie!

Never played, but looked up a vid on Youtube. How does it track 3D movement for each player? The camera seems to be dynamic and move to fit both players in the frame, so it looks potentially confusing to keep track of direction. Especially considering how precise and important directional input is in fighting games.

Eg, say the camera is behind my opponent's back and I'm facing him, like a 2D Pokemon duel and I'm the enemy. I'll intuitively assume that if my opponent press the analog stick right, he'll move right, but what about me? Will I move right or left? If I press forward, will I move towards my opponent or away? If the camera changes angles mid-movement, do I have to move the stick to adjust to the new direction?

Boss Doggie · Dec 27, 2015

oneida said:
it's a fighting game

Yeah but a different one. The arcades only feature a single operator and the HUD is all for the player.

oneida said:
ever see the naruto fighters?

freeofgreed said:
Yeah came in here to say this. The naruto games have a similar camera and are able to do local multiplayer just fine on a single screen.

You guys haven't seen how the game displays the fights right?

Naruto games the perspective doesn't matter. Here they are. It is much, MUCH more beneficial for the player to keep their pov on their view point.

You should have said Jump All Stars Vs. or Gundam Vs. because this game fits more to those two, and good lord their local multiplayer split screens are terrible.

oneida · Dec 27, 2015

CaviarMeths said:
Never played, but looked up a vid on Youtube. How does it track 3D movement for each player? The camera seems to be dynamic and move to fit both players in the frame, so it looks potentially confusing to keep track of direction. Especially considering how precise and important directional input is in fighting games.

Eg, say the camera is behind my opponent's back and I'm facing him, like a 2D Pokemon duel and I'm the enemy. I'll intuitively assume that if my opponent press the analog stick right, he'll move right, but what about me? Will I move right or left? If I press forward, will I move towards my opponent or away? If the camera changes angles mid-movement, do I have to move the stick to adjust to the new direction?

left is left and right is right regardless of which way youre facing afaik, i dont play naruto

Piers · Dec 27, 2015

ctrl + f: Naruto

Ultimate Ninja Storm games have managed it okay, and given Pokken shifts into a 2D perspective at times, there's even less reason to segregate local onto the Game Pad.

3DShovel · Dec 27, 2015

As long as the game pad serves only as a screen, and the player whose perspective is displayed on it can use a different controller, I don't see the problem.

JoeM86 · Dec 27, 2015

Here's a video of Sceptile. You can see it's a bit different to the Naruto games

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdQpucy2-E4

3DShovel said:
As long as the game pad serves only as a screen, and the player whose perspective is displayed on it can use a different controller, I don't see the problem.

You can't use two of the HORI Controllers at once, so no they have to use the GamePad

oneida · Dec 27, 2015

Boss Doggie said:
Yeah but a different one. The arcades only feature a single operator and the HUD is all for the player.

You guys haven't seen how the game displays the fights right?

Naruto games the perspective doesn't matter. Here they are. It is much, MUCH more beneficial for the player to keep their pov on their view point.

You should have said Jump All Stars Vs. or Gundam Vs. because this game fits more to those two, and good lord their local multiplayer split screens are terrible.

i have seen it and from what i can tell its nothing like gundam exfb and much more like naruto. mind elaborating for me?

Boss Doggie · Dec 27, 2015

Piers said:
ctrl + f: Naruto

Ultimate Ninja Storm games have managed it okay, and given Pokken shifts into a 2D perspective at times, there's even less reason to segregate local onto the Game Pad.

Like I said, using Naruto as the only reference is bad for this game lol

Again, use the more apt Jump Vs. or Gundam Vs. for reference. Those use split screen as the whole game is personailzed to the player. Camera positioning is important especially when far away and to make transitions easier (even when you go in 2D mode the camera is still different).

oneida said:
i have seen it and from what i can tell its nothing like gundam exfb and much more like naruto. mind elaborating for me?

I only used Gundam for reference on how camera behaves. It also plays differently than Naruto (which is a mess, the 2D games were better, but that's another topic altogether).

The game not only has a bit more dynamic angle, it favors the player and the UI is a bit more personalized. In the arcades the players are given their own perspective. And then there's the 2D transition thing.

JBourne · Dec 27, 2015

That's going to be really shitty for tournaments.

freeofgreed · Dec 27, 2015

Boss Doggie said:
Yeah but a different one. The arcades only feature a single operator and the HUD is all for the player.

You guys haven't seen how the game displays the fights right?

Naruto games the perspective doesn't matter. Here they are. It is much, MUCH more beneficial for the player to keep their pov on their view point.

You should have said Jump All Stars Vs. or Gundam Vs. because this game fits more to those two, and good lord their local multiplayer split screens are terrible.

What makes the camera anymore essential in this game than Naruto? Genuinly curious.

kuroneko0509 · Dec 27, 2015

JoeM86 said:
Here's a video of Sceptile. You can see it's a bit different to the Naruto games

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdQpucy2-E4

You can't use two of the HORI Controllers at once, so no they have to use the GamePad

that's why i said it earlier... they can do it but need to rework it as it involves in more than just a simple port

oneida · Dec 27, 2015

Boss Doggie said:
Like I said, using Naruto as the only reference is bad for this game lol

Again, use the more apt Jump Vs. or Gundam Vs. for reference. Those use split screen as the whole game is personailzed to the player. Camera positioning is important especially when far away and to make transitions easier (even when you go in 2D mode the camera is still different).

the camera is locked on both players in pokken and naruto and not in EXFB, that is a true arena fighter. basically a different genre.

JoeM86 · Dec 27, 2015

kuroneko0509 said:
that's why i said it earlier... they can do it but need to rework it as it involves in more than just a simple port

They'd need to alter the entire game mechanics to get it to work.

ZeroX03 · Dec 27, 2015

JBourne said:
That's going to be really shitty for tournaments.

Ideally there should be a LAN option for such an event, but that's not too common.

oneida · Dec 27, 2015

JoeM86 said:
They'd need to alter the entire game mechanics to get it to work.

haha please explain in your own words

kuroneko0509 · Dec 27, 2015

JoeM86 said:
They'd need to alter the entire game mechanics to get it to work.

entire game mechanic? nah doubt it

celsowmbr · Dec 27, 2015

Santiako said:
Is there any fighting game with no local?

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