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shanafan · Jul 11, 2016

ST. JOSEPH, Mich. -- Berrien County dispatch says shots were fired at the Berrien County Courthouse in St. Joseph just before 2:30 p.m. Monday.

Michigan State Police tell WZZM-TV (Grand Rapids) more than one person has been shot.

Update 4:09 PM EST

FOX News reporting that this may have been a situation involving an inmate (or recently sentenced individual) who was being taken to jail and somehow got a hold of a deputy's gun.

Two bailiffs and suspect confirmed dead;

WNDU ‏@WNDU 1m1 minute ago
Berrien County Sheriff Paul Bailey says suspect shot & killed two bailiffs. Other officers shot & killed suspect.
https://twitter.com/WNDU/status/752594639920635905

WNDU ‏@WNDU 4m4 minutes ago
A deputy sheriff is in stable condition at a local hospital.
https://twitter.com/WNDU/status/752593909348376577

komplanen · Jul 11, 2016

Not again, please :-(

backflip10019 · Jul 11, 2016

God dammit.

Hope wounds aren't serious.

shinobi602 · Jul 11, 2016

Not sure how accurate it is, but says reports of 3 dead, 1 officer injured already here:

https://twitter.com/pzf/status/752582146515165184

jmdajr · Jul 11, 2016

Buy stock in body armor?

Volimar · Jul 11, 2016

Fucking hell...

SwiftDeath · Jul 11, 2016

Damn 3 out of 4 dead? What were they using?

Arthr2ShdsJcksn · Jul 11, 2016

This is terrible. I hope those who are not already dead make it through.

I feel like I live in the movie Brazil, when attacks are happening all the time and people just ignore them and keep eating their dinners and talking about plastic surgery.

Bam Bam Baklava · Jul 11, 2016

shinobi602 said:
Says reports of 3 dead, 1 officer injured already:

https://twitter.com/pzf/status/752582146515165184

How reliable is this twitter feed? I've seen some erroneous reporting from them in the past.

valkillmore · Jul 11, 2016

you have got to be fucking kidding me. please be OK

BiggNife · Jul 11, 2016

shinobi602 said:
Says reports of 3 dead, 1 officer injured already:

https://twitter.com/pzf/status/752582146515165184

Is PZF legit? Never heard of them.

MIMIC · Jul 11, 2016

CNN reporting that one officer has been shot and nothing more (so far)

EDIT: FOX News reporting the same

shinobi602 · Jul 11, 2016

Bam Bam Baklava said:
How reliable is this twitter feed? I've seen some erroneous reporting from them in the past.

BiggNife said:
Is PZF legit? Never heard of them.

Not 100% sure, it looks like an aggregate site/account. I was just posting for posterity's sake if it's accurate.

DTU · Jul 11, 2016

Welp, there goes any chance I had at sleeping tonight.

rokkerkory · Jul 11, 2016

MIMIC said:
CNN reporting that one officer has been shot and nothing more (so far)

CNN always slow on these things

snacknuts · Jul 11, 2016

Fuck, my wife's best friend lives there.

gappvembe · Jul 11, 2016

Ahhh, that's 30 min away from me. I'm one county over.

obin_gam · Jul 11, 2016

I remember the time when shootings took like weeks in plural between each other.

:/

Shiv47 · Jul 11, 2016

Detroit Free Press reporting on situation. Two bailiffs, shooter dead.

demon · Jul 11, 2016

obin_gam said:
I remember the time when shootings took like weeks in plural between each other.

:/

In America? You mean shootings that happen to make the news?

Brawly Likes to Brawl · Jul 11, 2016

obin_gam said:
I remember the time when shootings took like weeks in plural between each other.

:/

I don't.

Bam Bam Baklava · Jul 11, 2016

Should be worth noting that shootings at courthouses are tragically uncommon.

LiK · Jul 11, 2016

It never ends

MIMIC · Jul 11, 2016

FOX News reporting that this may have been a situation involving an inmate (or recently sentenced individual) who was being taken to jail and somehow got a hold of a deputy's gun.

Pai Pai Master · Jul 11, 2016

obin_gam said:
I remember the time when shootings took like weeks in plural between each other.

:/

That time probably never existed. We are just hearing about more of these incidents.

Dreams-Visions · Jul 11, 2016

wtf

MIMIC said:
FOX News reporting that this may have been a situation involving an inmate (or recently sentenced individual) who was being taken to jail and somehow got a hold of a deputy's gun.

holy shit

TheChocolateWar · Jul 11, 2016

Bam Bam Baklava said:
Should be worth noting that shootings at courthouses are tragically uncommon.

As a legal professional, I really hope the grammar here was unintentional.

DTU · Jul 11, 2016

snacknuts said:
Fuck, my wife's best friend lives there.

I know how you feel. My wife's best friend lives nearby in Minnesota. Scary when this stuff happens so close to home.

Mass Effect · Jul 11, 2016

Here we go yet again.

ZeroMaverick · Jul 11, 2016

Bam Bam Baklava said:
Should be worth noting that shootings at courthouses are tragically uncommon.

I think you mean tragically common.

wanderingprostheyltite · Jul 11, 2016

Bam Bam Baklava said:
Should be worth noting that shootings at courthouses are tragically uncommon.

What is this, some kind of vigilante justice angle?

MMBosstones86 · Jul 11, 2016

You never think these things will happen if your town.....Damn. I'm a couple miles away from there right now.

Not as bad as it sounds. Someone took a deputies gun off him and shot a couple people. Still scary.

K.Sabot · Jul 11, 2016

fucking shit man

BiggNife · Jul 11, 2016

Pai Pai Master said:
That time probably never existed. We are just hearing about more of these incidents.

Yeah, I don't really think anything has changed. It's just that social media makes people aware of far more incidents than in the past as soon as they happen. Also people are super sensitive to news about shootings right now due to the Sterling, Castille, and Dallas shootings.

wanderingprostheyltite said:
What is this, some kind of vigilante justice angle?

I think it was a slip of the tongue and he meant either tragically common or thankfully uncommon.

GhaleonEB · Jul 11, 2016

obin_gam said:
I remember the time when shootings took like weeks in plural between each other.

:/

The coverage has changed, but we've had gun violence in the US like this for a long time.

Looks like we've had 179 mass shootings, and over 7,200 killed by firearms so far this year, alone. Very little of it rises to the level of national coverage.

Link · Jul 11, 2016

MIMIC said:
FOX News reporting that this may have been a situation involving an inmate (or recently sentenced individual) who was being taken to jail and somehow got a hold of a deputy's gun.

Damn, that's a serious screwup.

studyguy · Jul 11, 2016

Aye, reading as well that the weapon came directly from an officer's holster.
Shitty.

MoeDabs · Jul 11, 2016

Horrible

My best friend makes regular trips there for his law firm. Holy fuck I'm glad he wasn't on a run today.

obin_gam · Jul 11, 2016

GhaleonEB said:
The coverage has changed, but we've had gun violence in the US like this for a long time.

Looks like we've had 179 mass shootings, and over 7,200 killed by firearms so far this year, alone. Very little of it rises to the level of national coverage.

Pai Pai Master said:
That time probably never existed. We are just hearing about more of these incidents.

Brawly Likes to Brawl said:
I don't.

demon said:
In America? You mean shootings that happen to make the news?

ah ok, then I dont know how to feel... ignorance is sometimes bliss i guess

FalsettoVibe · Jul 11, 2016

What!? Not like this...

User1608 · Jul 11, 2016

Damn it...

Skulldead · Jul 11, 2016

..... again...

Boke1879 · Jul 11, 2016

MIMIC said:
FOX News reporting that this may have been a situation involving an inmate (or recently sentenced individual) who was being taken to jail and somehow got a hold of a deputy's gun.

Yea and for the shooter to have enough time to kill 3 people as well? Crazy.

MIMIC · Jul 11, 2016

USA Today: 3 people dead (including shooter) and 1 person injured. The two other deaths are court bailiffs

Dreams-Visions · Jul 11, 2016

Boke1879 said:
Yea and for the shooter to have enough time to kill 3 people as well? Crazy.

if this officer was the only officer in the room with a firearm...yea.

studyguy · Jul 11, 2016

If it was in an actual courtroom, then likely he pulled it off the bailiff, I mean normally that's the only armed officer in a place at all. Least that's what I saw when I had to go in to sit on a jury.

Bam Bam Baklava · Jul 11, 2016

ZeroMaverick said:
I think you mean tragically common.

You're right, I messed up on my sentence. It tragically occurs too often.

Retro · Jul 11, 2016

Scene is secure as of a half hour ago, apparently;

BREAKING: Sheriff Paul Bailey just confirmed shooting at the courthouse.Tells me scene is secure. (source)

Worth pointing out that Berrien County was the site of a riot in 2003 after an African American man was killed while fleeing police. Growing up in the area, everyone basically knew what a slowly simmering shitstorm St. Joseph / Benton Harbor is; an affluent (median income: $49,982) white (88.1%) city and a predominantly black (89.2% African American), low income ($17,301 median income) one separated by a river.

Slayven · Jul 11, 2016

Bam Bam Baklava said:
Should be worth noting that shootings at courthouses are tragically uncommon.

Only because they tarted using metal detectors after a rash of courtroom shootings

Retro · Jul 11, 2016

Two bailiffs and suspect confirmed dead;

WNDU ‏@WNDU 1m1 minute ago
Berrien County Sheriff Paul Bailey says suspect shot & killed two bailiffs. Other officers shot & killed suspect.
https://twitter.com/WNDU/status/752594639920635905

WNDU ‏@WNDU 4m4 minutes ago
A deputy sheriff is in stable condition at a local hospital.
https://twitter.com/WNDU/status/752593909348376577

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