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Garrett Hawke · Mar 13, 2017

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPYTK7xN5xc

So still an upgrade over the Wii U set up which was 720p60 1-2 local players and 720p30 3-4 local players. A little disappointing if people were hoping for a full 1080p60 with 3-4 players.

For those interested, here is an early performance analysis by Digital Foundry, wherein they confirm that the 59fps bug from MK8 on Wii U appears to be gone - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2r2-nVHZ_bQ

Like the hat? · Mar 13, 2017

Wish they would offer a 720p/60fps for 3-4 players

sir_bumble_bee · Mar 13, 2017

Should have gotten Shin'en for this port lol.

GameE · Mar 13, 2017

Isnt this 2 months old? http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1333637

NinjaCoachZ · Mar 13, 2017

Like the hat? said:
Wish they would offer a 720p/60fps for 3-4 players

Yeah, I'd have taken a resolution drop over a framerate drop. Unless such a thing wasn't doable.

21st century cowboy · Mar 13, 2017

is it 30fps for 3-4 players on the same screen? or will it also be that way wireless local multiplayer?

LordKano · Mar 13, 2017

sir_bumble_bee said:
Should have gotten Shin'en for this port lol.

? Fast RMX has an adaptative resolution, between 900 and 1080p even on single player. This one is 1080p locked.

giancarlo123x · Mar 13, 2017

I hope it's a solid 30, there were so many dips on the Wii u version.

cw_sasuke · Mar 13, 2017

People were hoping for 4 player 1080/60 ? Pretty sure we knew about this for a while now.

Shiggy · Mar 13, 2017

Different question, but does the game have download play like previous handheld Mario Kart games?

Wowfunhappy · Mar 13, 2017

cw_sasuke said:
People were hoping for 4 player 1080/60 ? Pretty sure we knew about this for a while now.

I was hoping for 720p60, personally.

plagiarize · Mar 13, 2017

LordKano said:
? Fast RMX has an adaptative resolution, between 900 and 1080p even on single player. This one is 1080p locked.

There were definite frame drops on FAST RMX playing it on 4 player split screen last night. I know they have a performance patch coming up however, but it is not a locked 60 fps in 4 player currently.

HandsomeCharles · Mar 13, 2017

LordKano said:
? Fast RMX has an adaptative resolution, between 900 and 1080p even on single player. This one is 1080p locked.

Shinen are wizards. Nintendo internal are super wizards.

Kitsune Sama · Mar 13, 2017

21st century cowboy said:
is it 30fps for 3-4 players on the same screen? or will it also be that way wireless local multiplayer?

I think it's the 3-4 players in the same console/screen type of local multiplayee

mocolostrocolos · Mar 13, 2017

plagiarize said:
There were definite frame drops on FAST RMX playing it on 4 player split screen last night. I know they have a performance patch coming up however, but it is not a locked 60 fps in 4 player currently.

I had drops playing solo in docked mode.

Hellraider · Mar 13, 2017

Like the hat? said:
Wish they would offer a 720p/60fps for 3-4 players

Yeah, I would love for this to be an option.

Garrett Hawke · Mar 13, 2017

Shiggy said:
Different question, but does the game have download play like previous handheld Mario Kart games?

we don't know yet :/ it might not be possible due to how large the game is now. mario kart on the 3ds for example is around 700mb.

GameE said:
Isnt this 2 months old? http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1333637

oh, ok. thought i'd maybe seen it somewhere but ah well.

Ansatz · Mar 13, 2017

I don't understand, does Mario Kart 8 run at native 1080p on Switch when it's docked?

Xdrive05 · Mar 13, 2017

Ansatz said:
I don't understand, does Mario Kart 8 run at native 1080p on Switch when it's docked?

Yes.

Lights and Waves · Mar 13, 2017

This is great news!

Flux · Mar 13, 2017

Hmm I'd the 720p or even lower if necessary to maintain 60 fps with four people. Then again, I know nothing of the technical side.

LordKano · Mar 13, 2017

Ansatz said:
I don't understand, does Mario Kart 8 run at native 1080p on Switch when it's docked?

1080p60fps docked on single player and local up to 2 players. 720p60fps on portable mode with the same settings.

Once you go for 3 or 4 players, it drops to 30fps.

marciocdb · Mar 13, 2017

Like the hat? said:
Wish they would offer a 720p/60fps for 3-4 players

Exactly... no one would never notice the resolution difference but the framerate difference is very much noticeable

Intel_89 · Mar 13, 2017

Like proper 60 or that 59/60fps jank from the Wii U version?

Ansatz · Mar 13, 2017

Xdrive05 said:
Yes.

LordKano said:
1080p60fps docked on single player and local up to 2 players. 720p60fps on portable mode with the same settings.

Once you go for 3 or 4 players, it drops to 30fps.

How is that even possible given Switch is a handheld and only marginally better than Wii U?

Can we expect a game like Mario Odyssey to be 1080p60fps as well? That would be insane

GinoFelino · Mar 13, 2017

Boooooooooooooooooooo. Boooooooooooooo.

Come on Nintendo. Get that up to 60fps no matter the cost!

Xdrive05 · Mar 13, 2017

For those who played 3-4 players local on Wii-U, how does Mario Kart 8 play in 30fps? Is it still responsive gameplay wise?

When everyone has their own Switch it'll be nice to have 2 players on the TV and everyone else on handheld in the same room, and everyone gets 60fps. I think I'd much rather do that then 3-4 on the TV at 30fps. But maybe it's fine?

HyperHip · Mar 13, 2017

can you do 4-player with 2 switches at 60 maybe? That might be the route I go for if it allows 60 fps local.

LordKano · Mar 13, 2017

Ansatz said:
How is that even possible given Switch is a handheld and only marginally better than Wii U?

Can we expect a game like Mario Odyssey to be 1080p60fps as well? That would be insane

'cause it isn't. Switch is sensibly more powerful than a Wii U, on docked mode.
Mario Odyssey may be 1080p, but since they're prioritizing framerate over visuals on this one, it may be restricted.

Berordn · Mar 13, 2017

Ansatz said:
How is that even possible given Switch is a handheld and only marginally better than Wii U?

Can we expect a game like Mario Odyssey to be 1080p60fps as well? That would be insane

The benefits of modern architecture and optimization, but docked it's substantially more powerful than Wii U.

Robin64 · Mar 13, 2017

Intel_89 said:
Like proper 60 or that 59/60fps jank from the Wii U version?

DF have analysed their footage and the 59fps jank has gone. It's smooth full 60 here.

openrob · Mar 13, 2017

marciocdb said:
Exactly... no one would never notice the resolution difference but the framerate difference is very much noticeable

I don't know, in split screen you want as much detail in that small bit of screen as possible.

Garrett Hawke · Mar 13, 2017

Xdrive05 said:
For those who played 3-4 players local on Wii-U, how does Mario Kart 8 play in 30fps? Is it still responsive gameplay wise?

When everyone has their own Switch it'll be nice to have 2 players on the TV and everyone else on handheld in the same room, and everyone gets 60fps. I think I'd much rather do that then 3-4 on the TV at 30fps. But maybe it's fine?

it feels fine still, I usually played 4 player local mp with mk8.

Intel_89 said:
Like proper 60 or that 59/60fps jank from the Wii U version?

right in the op

Garrett Hawke said:
For those interested, here is an early performance analysis by Digital Foundry, wherein they confirm that the 59fps bug from MK8 on Wii U appears to be gone - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2r2-nVHZ_bQ

Xdrive05 · Mar 13, 2017

Ansatz said:
How is that even possible given Switch is a handheld and only marginally better than Wii U?

Can we expect a game like Mario Odyssey to be 1080p60fps as well? That would be insane

It's not marginally better. It's actually quite a bit better, even on paper taking the most conservative estimates.

It's kind of ironic that the best launch game has misled people into thinking the Switch is barely faster than Wii-U. Even in handheld it's more flops and especially the gains from new Nvidia architecture makes it much faster still. And docked it's twice that or more.

SatoAilDarko · Mar 13, 2017

With four player splitscreen can another person with the game on Switch race those 4 locally? Two Switchs connected together with four playing on one while the other is played in handheld mode.

jariw · Mar 13, 2017

Robin64 said:
DF have analysed their footage and the 59fps jank has gone. It's smooth full 60 here.

Wasn't the 59fps bug fixed in a MK8 update?

Garrett Hawke · Mar 13, 2017

jariw said:
Wasn't the 59fps bug fixed in a MK8 update?

nop

Sapiens · Mar 13, 2017

Mario Kart pushing twice as many pixels and ONE extra frame a second? Yes please.

papercan55 · Mar 13, 2017

Ansatz said:
How is that even possible given Switch is a handheld and only marginally better than Wii U?

Can we expect a game like Mario Odyssey to be 1080p60fps as well? That would be insane

It's actually a lot more powerful than wii u,especially in docked mode if optimised well.
I'm not sure why so many people here expected all switch games to be 720p and no more than 30fps.....

TAS · Mar 13, 2017

Like the hat? said:
Wish they would offer a 720p/60fps for 3-4 players

I'm very surprised they didn't do this. Mario Kart is a game that needs to be 60fps.

Neoxon · Mar 13, 2017

Like the hat? said:
Wish they would offer a 720p/60fps for 3-4 players

Agreed, maybe they can patch it in later.

EloquentM · Mar 13, 2017

Sapiens said:
Mario Kart pushing twice as many pixels and ONE extra frame a second? Yes please.

I don't think og MK8 was dropping a frame. Wasn't it outputting the 59th frame twice?

Disclaimer: Idk how this works

AtomicShroom · Mar 13, 2017

Ansatz said:
How is that even possible given Switch is a handheld and only marginally better than Wii U?

Can we expect a game like Mario Odyssey to be 1080p60fps as well? That would be insane

Going from 720p60 to 1080p60 is what I would indeed classify as "marginally better". It's just a slight bump in resolution, which most casual gamers would be hard pressed to even notice.

marciocdb · Mar 13, 2017

openrob said:
I don't know, in split screen you want as much detail in that small bit of screen as possible.

But that's the thing... your field of view is so small that the resolution difference wouldn't matter that much...

sir_bumble_bee · Mar 13, 2017

LordKano said:
? Fast RMX has an adaptative resolution, between 900 and 1080p even on single player. This one is 1080p locked.

I'd take a drop to 900p over 30fps any day when it comes to racing games.

Berordn · Mar 13, 2017

EloquentM said:
I don't think og MK8 was dropping a frame. Wasn't it outputting the 59th frame twice?

Disclaimer: Idk how this works

As I understand it the 59th frame was getting rendered twice while AI was present, presumably because it offloaded something involving them to the GPU.

So not technically dropped, but functionally similar.

hoserx · Mar 13, 2017

AtomicShroom said:
Going from 720p60 to 1080p60 is what I would indeed classify as "marginally better". It's just a slight bump in resolution, which most casual gamers would be hard pressed to even notice.

A slight bump? Have you done the math? It's significantly more pixels.

921,600 pixels vs 2,073,600 pixels.

Garrett Hawke · Mar 13, 2017

EloquentM said:
I don't think og MK8 was dropping a frame. Wasn't it outputting the 59th frame twice?

Disclaimer: Idk how this works

it was outputting a duplicate frame every 2 seconds which made the framerate look like it was dropping, it didn't happen in time trials however - and time trials don't have ai drivers - so digital foundry think it was cpu related.

Upon analysis we determined that the game suffers from extended clusters in which a duplicate frame is displayed every 64 frames. What this ultimately means is that, during normal gameplay, Mario Kart 8 continually drops down to 59fps.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-vs-mario-kart-8

anon_mastermind · Mar 13, 2017

Xdrive05 said:
For those who played 3-4 players local on Wii-U, how does Mario Kart 8 play in 30fps? Is it still responsive gameplay wise?

It's playable but you definitely notice some sluggishness coming from 60 fps mode. I was really hoping they could hit that target.

ryushe · Mar 13, 2017

This is both totally fine and understandable.

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