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"Decrypting the Alt-Right: How to Recognize a Fascist" - by ContraPoints
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theCalamity
Member
Watched it this morning. Great vid
Nrocinu777
Neo Member
Good video. Thanks for the share.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
At 10:40 she says the "ok hand gesture" is a secret symbol of fascism.
I heard that was just 4chan trolling. What's the truth?
Edit: she goes on to explain that she views that as a intentional diversion to discredit SJWs, etc.
I heard that was just 4chan trolling. What's the truth?
Edit: she goes on to explain that she views that as a intentional diversion to discredit SJWs, etc.
theCalamity
Member
Its a gaslighting tactic. They will use innocuous symbols as code so when they are called out on it they can point to their accusers as being hysterical. It happened with the OK sign. Of course /pol/ says they were trailing but they think being white supremacists is also trolling.
This is likely a chicken or the egg type situation, but look at this dude's most common hand gestures when he speaks:
And then realize who his most vocal supporters are.
And I think her point was that they can use those symbols as way to identify each other more easily and then turn the tables on decent people by saying they get offended by the most benign things.
Bonus factor: An obsession with "false flags". Nazis love those but I don't think I've ever seen a non-Nazi scream "false flag" at disliked news.
Also they often cannot maintain subtlety for long, when you've got some of their post history, even on a public place where they're not talking with their private face, you can quickly spot something overtly fascist.
Also they often cannot maintain subtlety for long, when you've got some of their post history, even on a public place where they're not talking with their private face, you can quickly spot something overtly fascist.
She does a great job here, love this!
The poor centrists, won't anyone think of the poor people who won't take a position between Nazis and people who hate Nazis!!
The poor centrists, won't anyone think of the poor people who won't take a position between Nazis and people who hate Nazis!!
Gordon Shumway
Banned
Thinker skin needed..
Contra is a breath of fresh air in a sea of insanity that is YouTube. I suggest watching all her videos, they're all well worth a watch.
Well, I don't blame Contra, centrists falling for fascist propaganda and equating it as the right-wing counterpart to progressivism is extremely frustrating.
Anyone actually reachable won't be turned off by a little honesty.
TheUzukiLives
Banned
I'm so glad that she made this video. It'll be a great reference point to show any centrist that is oblivious to gaslighting and dog whistle tactics.
That's something that always confused me about those type of people who say that leftist are talking down to them. Maybe because I'm bias and know/agree with what leftist youtubers say, but will sometimes come away feeling like they were insulted or as one person put it to me "talked to like they were a r-word ten year old".
That's something that always confused me about those type of people who say that leftist are talking down to them. Maybe because I'm bias and know/agree with what leftist youtubers say, but will sometimes come away feeling like they were insulted or as one person put it to me "talked to like they were a r-word ten year old".
That's true.
His/her videos are indeed awesome, I think this is among the top, my other favorites include: debating the alt-right, what the alt-right fears, does the left hate free speech, is BDSM feminist? etc...
Vicetrailia
Member
Leftists will recognize dog whistles and know we are crypto, but moderates won't give a fuck.
Fantastic pointing that out. This video is superb, so on point. Excellent job.
Fantastic pointing that out. This video is superb, so on point. Excellent job.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Great video, thank you for sharing.
Pretty nice video, I didn't feel at all talked down to.
KO Traveling Hobo
Member
I'm at work so I can't watch the video, but didn't the OK hand gesture start as a mainstream meme because of the emoji?
Like, I'm sure a disproportionate amount of altrighters use it, but it definitely has an innocuous presence in mainstream consciousness. Some of the kids at work use it, and one or two are sketchy, but the rest definitely aren't.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Holy shit this video is so on point.
The symbolism they use in it is the three fingers form a W and the touching finger and thumb, plus the wrist, form a P. You can figure out what WP stands for.
it started as that, but then immediately shifted from ironic trolling joke to actual covert fascist symbol like everything else /pol does.
stan423321
Member
That ending changes everything, but I don't know in which way. What is vodka shot emoji supposed to symbolize now, left or right?
Is this the kind of video I can get something out of by listening to or is this the kind of video I should watch with my eyes?
Also, the "OK" symbol is definitely gaslighting and we should just go ahead and assume people throwing it up are what they are. You can't allow these people to run around shouting "hell Hitler" then do the "haha, look at all the triggered normies, I was just joking" thing. Here's some background on that specifically: https://theoutline.com/post/1428/the-ok-sign-is-becoming-an-alt-right-symbol
Thanks. Saved for later, then.
Also, the "OK" symbol is definitely gaslighting and we should just go ahead and assume people throwing it up are what they are. You can't allow these people to run around shouting "hell Hitler" then do the "haha, look at all the triggered normies, I was just joking" thing. Here's some background on that specifically: https://theoutline.com/post/1428/the-ok-sign-is-becoming-an-alt-right-symbol
Thanks. Saved for later, then.
Definetly watch to get everything out of the video.
It's quite the phenomenon how things on 4chan go from ironic trolling to being embraced un-ironically by those not in on the joke. (Bronies being a benevolent example.)
Yeah, I got into a climate change argument with a proposed centrist yesterday too. His argument was that it "could" be caused by all these other factors like volcanic action or sunflares, etc. etc. so he doesnt know which science to trust. So I told him to trust what's been proven. His response - "How do you know it's proven?? What if we find out our proven science was wrong later??" - :/
He's also of the mind that no news can be trusted. FOX News is crazy right, but any other news CNN, VICE, Headline, NYT is far left. No politicians can be trusted.
It seems like a centrists general stance is confusion, and indecision over everything. They don't educate themselves enough on anything.
i'd argue that for a lot of them it was never a joke to begin with. creating a refuge for ever increasing extremes of "ironically" awful behavior will very quickly get you a population of unironic bigots.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
The video definitely has a lot of imagery that needs to be seen for the point to click.
But it's all part of the joke for them. If they attract a population of unironic bigots their lulz are accomplished.
The video definitely has a lot of imagery that needs to be seen for the point to click.
That part was amazing.
Vicetrailia
Member
Plus they're less affected by the outcomes. gotta have some skin in the game.
D
Deleted member 17706
Unconfirmed Member
I think it's just a stance of preserving the status quo and resisting any kind of change because they think everything is just fine the way it is.
Anyway, that was a great video. Hadn't heard of this channel before.
Another video that I think you should defintely check out if you want more.
Debating the Alt-right.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zPa1wikTd5c
Debating the Alt-right.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zPa1wikTd5c
Disbelief in climate change is, uh, not a centrist position.
