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EE/GS removed from PAL PS3, BC going software only. Eurownage total

Treo360

Member
MOD POWER ABUSE:
OFFICIAL PRESS RELEASE FROM SCEE
/MOD POWER ABUSE

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AMSTERDAM (Reuters) - The European version of PlayStation 3 will play fewer
PlayStation 2 video games when it launches on March 23 compared with models launched earlier in Japan and America, Sony Corp (NYSE:SNE - news) (6758.T) said on Friday.

"The backwards compatibility is not going to be as good as the U.S. and Japan models," a Sony spokesman said.

PlayStation 3 (PS3) was first launched in Japan and North America in November and the model that will be introduced in Europe will be designed differently.

Software will take over some of the functionality that was originally taken care of by dedicated chips, which means far fewer PlayStation 2 (PS2) games can be played on a European PS3 compared with the Japanese and American PS3 models which play 98 percent of old games.

"Sony is managing expectations by saying now that the new console will play fewer of the old games, and that's a good thing," said analyst Alex Kwiatowski at British market research group Vertical Market Technologies.


Over the last 18 months Sony has had a series of public relations disasters, including a recall of nearly 10 million of its computer batteries, PS3 delays and a software program on Sony Entertainment music CDs that breached computer security.

Kwiatowski said gamers with a PS2 would have to hold onto their device to play their current collection.

"I'm as disappointed as the next game player about the reduced backward compatibility, but even the most nostalgic, misty-eyed gamers will have their steely hearts impressed by the new features that PS3 games provide," Kwiatowski said.

The PS3's graphics and sound capabilities are much improved over the PS2.

"Rather than concentrate on PS2 backwards compatibility, in the future, company resources will be increasingly focused on developing new games and entertainment features exclusively for PS3," Sony Computer Entertainment said in a statement.

About one million units will be available at the European launch next month, as many as were made available in the United States during the first six weeks after the launch last year.

Sony loses money at first on each PS3 sale due to high production costs.

But Nobuyuki Oneda, Sony's chief financial officer, said in January the company aims to bring the negative PS3 margin to break even toward the second half of the next business year, which starts in April, by component cost savings on chips driving the PS3.


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EDIT:
Press release link fixed here
 

Bad_Boy

time to take my meds
Software will take over some of the functionality that was originally taken care of by dedicated chips, which means far fewer PlayStation 2 (PS2) games can be played on a European PS3 compared with the Japanese and American PS3 models which play 98 percent of old games.
Looks like software is starting to take over then. I suppose since its software, they can add games at a later time. Pretty much making it like the 360 method.
 

BlueTsunami

there is joy in sucking dick
Wollan said:
Ripping out circuits already?

That does sound like it

If it was using the EE than the compatability rate should have been the same. I guess the positive you can pull from this is that the emulation is finally software based and that opens up a lot of shit when it comes to BC (hopefully)
 

antiloop

Member
The important thing is which PS2 games can we play on it?!

Edit: This is huge and disappointing news... sounds like it's a lot of games that will not be playable according to this article..
 

Pud

Banned
Grayman said:
I wonder how large their BC library will be and how fast it will expand or if it won't.

Oh boy... I can already hear the Sony and MS fanboys in europe bickering over how big their BC is...
Scratch one advantage off Sony's list?

would this mean a price drop should be coming soon or in this year? if there ripping off componets?

They're still in the red a few billion dollars...
 

BlueTsunami

there is joy in sucking dick
tribal24 said:
would this mean a price drop should be coming soon or in this year? if there ripping off componets?

It doesn't seem likely. The Europe launch with the EE taken out would have been a nice platform to release a new price announcment.
 

Midas

Member
XSamu said:
In Greece they even increased the price to 649€ :lol

Yeah, therefore the "599 €". :)

It's the same thing in Finland. They even use the euro currency, but the price is 649 € too, or something close to that.

Euro launch = March 23rd
 

Wollan

Member
They will wait with a price drop to this autumn (at the earliest). At that time they will already have had 65nm chips for many months as well as PS2 chipset probably removed worldwide alongside probably a ton of other adjustments. They will 'profit' on that in the mean time (also, reducing the price early would be a sign of weakness).
 

Lain

Member
Lol, SCEE is really trying hard to kill my interest in getting a PS3, and it is finally succeding.
I don't think i am gonna get a PS3 anymore, if it means getting raped on price, getting no compensation for such a longer delay and getting less for what we pay.

Addendum, **** SCEE and Sony in general.
 

Pud

Banned
Lain said:
Lol, SCEE is really trying hard to kill my interest in getting a PS3, and it is finally succeding.
I don't think i am gonna get a PS3 anymore, if it means getting raped on price, getting no compensation for such a longer delay and getting less for what we pay.

Addendum, **** SCEE and Sony in general.

Bbbbut Casino Royale? :D


"Sony really needs to hire some new PR"
 

gofreak

GAF's Bob Woodward
Polari said:
Sony just love ****ing Europe over. C'mon Europe, it's your turn to get one back for the team.

Though the article pitches it as "the european PS3", you can be sure the same is true of any new units going to any territory now.

I wonder if this will make earlier units more prized now..they're making this transition quicker than I thought. Hopefully the solution is reasonably robust (and allows for some improvements).

I am pretty happy about having one with the hardware in it now, though. Early units should have the option to use either solution.
 

Surfheart

Member
Bomba?

This is pretty big news. Very dissapointing indeed since I have sold my PS2 but kept my games in anticipation of playing them on the PS3.

I was going to pick up Okami and FFXII along with my PS3.

Any ideas on how much or little will be backwards compatible yet?
 

Blunty

Member
It says in the article it will play fewer games than before, which seems like they are saying, "the large majority, but not all". If that's the case, then surely they can't have just taken the EE out, because then it wouldn't work at all (except for via software, which is hardly gonna be any games is it, rather than just 'fewer' games). Maybe I'm just interpretting the word 'fewer' a bit too much.
 

Hyoushi

Member
Xrenity said:
He means that it's good that they're not lying about features they don't have anymore. Be grateful!

And remember:
"I'm as disappointed as the next game player about the reduced backward compatibility, but even the most nostalgic, misty-eyed gamers will have their steely hearts impressed by the new features that PS3 games provide," Kwiatowski said.
So basically, you should be thankful that the BC is gone, because this will give you a GREAT opportunity to enjoy new games instead!
 

Pud

Banned
Surfheart said:
Bomba?

This is pretty big news. Very dissapointing indeed since I have sold my PS2 but kept my games in anticipation of playing them on the PS3.

I was going to pick up Okami and FFXII along with my PS3.

Any ideas on how much or little will be backwards compatible yet?

If this PR statement is to be taken at face value, they're probably talking 360-level stuff here. Let's see if they keep updating it, unlike MS.
 

Uncle

Member
Midas said:
It's the same thing in Finland. They even use the euro currency, but the price is 649 € too, or something close to that.


Ah, I see you havent heard the good news yet. The official price is 680€ in Finland.
 

SpokkX

Member
WHAT THE F**K SONY

I have lots of PS2 games I want o play on Ps3. FF12, God of War 2 + a lot of older titles.

This makes me consider cancelling my preorder
 

maxmars

Member
The news in itself isn't worrying (which games are not compatible? Will software emulation improve with time? etc), but sure they could be doing a better job with PR for the launch. :lol
 

Midas

Member
Uncle said:
Ah, I see you havent heard the good news yet. The official price is 680€ in Finland.

Haha, serious? Nordisk Film is such a great company. They're like Bergsala in the 90's. :lol
 

Pud

Banned
Euro people rejoice, new units will be lighter and quieter

Heh.. the removal of a tiny chip won't make that happen! Not like the PS3 was as loud as the 360 anyway.

Feindflug said:
WTF are they thinking? Crappy BC aka no EE/GS for PAL PS3 but still 600-700+€?

Perhaps the low numbers in NA & Japan weren't enough for them, and they want to sell even less in Europe?
 

Lain

Member
Hyoushi said:
He means that it's good that they're not lying about features they don't have anymore. Be grateful!

And remember:

So basically, you should be thankful that the BC is gone, because this will give you a GREAT opportunity to enjoy new games instead!

Yeah, SCEE doesn't even need to spin this themselves, they got third parties doing it for them free of charge, it's laughable really.
 

Steroyd

Member
I swear to god if FFXII which i have just bought this very minute doesn't work on the PS3, I'm splitting some wigs.
Even though that's highly unlikely.

I actually thought at this stage it would be impossible to shaft Europe in anyway but Sony exceeds my expectations yet again.
 

Suerte

Member
Although MS haven't done a great job of BC, I think Sony has made a bigger mistake here since the PS2 library is massive compared to the original XBox's. I don't think they shouldn't be doing software emulation until they have an emulator that works with the vast majority of games from the get go, which from the sounds of it, they don't and will be going down the MS route of releasing updates to make more games work over time.
 

ram

Member
sorry, but that article sounds bullshit. after six month and barely enough units for the euro launch, sony will completely move the backwards compatibility to software? sounds unbelievable. and what about the games? are we only able now, to play 97% of the games, instead of the supposed 98%? the only one speaking on this issue is a stupid ANALyst.
 

Polari

Member
gofreak said:
Though the article pitches it as "the european PS3", you can be sure the same is true of any new units going to any territory now.

I wonder if this will make earlier units more prized now..they're making this transition quicker than I thought. Hopefully the solution is reasonably robust (and allows for some improvements).

I am pretty happy about having one with the hardware in it now, though. Early units should have the option to use either solution.

Well it ****s Europe over because it's a feature they were promised that has since been pulled. At least the Americans and Japanese got a shot at it.
 

Midas

Member
I hope Sony will shed some more light on this, it wouldn't be a disaster if this would mean 96 percent of the games. It would however be one if only selected games work.
 

Pud

Banned
ram said:
sorry, but that article sounds bullshit. after six month and barely anough units for the euro launch they will completely move the backwards compatibility to software? and what about the games? are we only able now, to play 97% of the games, instead of the supposed 98%? the only one speaking on this issue is a stuid ANALyst.

97% with software emulation?

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