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Nikola Tesla vs. Thomas Edison

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Timedog

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Why is Edison so celebrated, while Tesla no one even knows about? Apparently he invented or invented precursors to AC power, wireless communications and wireless power, electric motors, lasers, neon, and particle beam cannons like what we have now to shoot down ICBM's. When his million dollar lab burnt down, he rebuilt every device in it all from memory. All while Edison was badmouthing him trying to get people to stick with his inferior DC power. Tesla was doing way alsomer shit, and is very creepy/cool, so how come his name has been forgotten?

 

hXc_thugg

Member
He was a foreigner.

He's also one of the coolest people to ever live, made impossibly cooler by being played by Bowie in The Prestige.
 

Timedog

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3pheMeraLmiX said:
Did you just watch The Prestige? :)

Edit: Wow, so late. lol

Haven't seen that movie yet, but I want to. If it has Tesla in it I REALLY want to. I am just very interested in his inventions, including the ones that never came to be.
 

JohnTinker

Limbaugh Parrot
briefcasemanx said:
Haven't seen that movie yet, but I want to. If it has Tesla in it I REALLY want to. I am just very interested in his inventions, including the ones that never came to be.
He's most certainly in the movie, and played by one of the greatest musicians to ever live.

Do you copy, Major Tom?
 

itsinmyveins

Gets to pilot the crappy patrol labors
wiki said:
In 1885[citation needed] Tesla wrote that Edison offered him the then-staggering sum of $50,000 (almost $1 million today, adjusted for inflation [1]) if he completed the motor and generator improvements. Tesla said he worked nearly a year to redesign them and gave the Edison company several enormously profitable new patents in the process. When Tesla inquired about the $50,000, Edison reportedly replied to him, "Tesla, you don't understand our American humor," and reneged on his promise.[24] Tesla resigned when he was refused a raise to $25 per week. At Tesla's salary of $18 per week, the bonus would have amounted to over 53 years pay, and the amount was equal to the initial capital of the company.[25] Tesla eventually found himself digging ditches for a short period of time – ironically for the Edison company. Edison had also never wanted to hear about Tesla's AC polyphase designs, believing that DC electricity was the future. Tesla focused intently on his AC polyphase system, even while digging ditches.[26]

Damn you, Edison!
 
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You're familiar with the phrase "man's reach exceeds his grasp"? It's a lie: man's grasp exceeds his nerve.
 

Dan

No longer boycotting the Wolfenstein franchise
Tesla's forgotten in the mainstream because he didn't have a business empire that engraved his name into American minds. I think the American public education system also tends to focus mostly on homegrown inventors and businessmen, so he gets passed over there too. He's certainly not forgotten in tech circles though.

I recall seeing a PBS doc on him (I'm assuming it was Tesla: Master of Lightning) that was very interesting, and detailed his move to America, his useful and his crackpot ideas/inventions, and his association with Edison. You might be able to hunt that down if you're so inclined.
 

Buggy Loop

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Tesla's death ray that he claimed he invented in times magazine in 1934

http://www.teslasociety.com/deathray.htm

On July 23, 1934 Time Magazine wrote an article about Tesla’s Ray:

“Last week Dr. Tesla announced a combination of four inventions which would make war unthinkable.

Nucleus of the idea is a death ray-a concentrated beam of sub-microscopic particles flying at velocities approaching that of light. The beam, according to Tesla, would drop an army in its tracks, bring down squadrons of airplanes 250 miles away. Inventor Tesla would discharge the ray by means of 1) a device to nullify the impeding effect of the atmosphere on the particles 2)a method for setting up high potential 3) a process for amplifying that potential to 50,000.000 volts; 4) creation of “a tremendous electrical repelling force.”


Wireless power?

yup

When Nikola Tesla invented the AC (alternating current) induction motor, he had great difficulty convincing men of his time to believe in it. Thomas Edison was in favor of direct current (DC) electricity and opposed AC electricity strenuously. Tesla eventually sold his rights to his alternating current patents to George Westinghouse for $1,000,000. After paying off his investors, Tesla spent his remaining funds on his other inventions and culminated his efforts in a major breakthrough in 1899 at Colorado Springs by transmitting 100 million volts of high-frequency electric power wirelessly over a distance of 26 miles at which he lit up a bank of 200 light bulbs and ran one electric motor! With this souped up version of his Tesla coil, Tesla claimed that only 5% of the transmitted energy was lost in the process. But broke of funds again, he looked for investors to back his project of broadcasting electric power in almost unlimited amounts to any point on the globe. The method he would use to produce this wireless power was to employ the earth's own resonance with its specific vibrational frequency to conduct AC electricity via a large electric oscillator. When J.P. Morgan agreed to underwrite Tesla's project, a strange structure was begun and almost completed near Wardenclyffe in Long Island, N.Y. Looking like a huge lattice-like, wooden oil derrick with a mushroom cap, it had a total height of 200 feet. Then suddenly, Morgan withdrew his support to the project in 1906, and eventually the structure was dynamited and brought down in 1917.

........A Tesla coil is a special transformer that can take the 110 volt electricity from your house and convert it rapidly to a great deal of high-voltage, high-frequency, low-amperage power. The high-frequency output of even a small Tesla coil can light up fluorescent tubes held several feet away without any wire connections. Even a large number of spent or discarded fluorescent tubes (their burned out cathodes are irrelevant) will light up if hung near a long wire running from a Tesla coil while using less than 100 watts drawn by the coil itself when plugged into an electrical outlet! Since the Tesla coil steps up the voltage to such a high degree, the alternating oscillations achieve sufficient excitations within the tubes of gases to produce lighting at a minimal expense of original power! Fluorescent tubes can be held under high-tension wires to produce the same lighting up effect. Remember the farmer a few years ago who was caught with an adaptive transformer under a set of high tension lines that ran over his property? Through the air, he pulled down all the power he needed to run his farm without using any connecting apparatus to the lines overhead! Any electrical engineer with the proper materials can do the same thing.

........Incandescent bulbs burn high resistance filaments that gobble up energy. Fluorescent tubes burn filaments (cathodes) to create an electrical flow that sets their internal phosphorus coatings aglow. Using a Tesla coil, high voltage AC can light up glass-enclosed vacuum bulbs coolly without any gases inside them at all! Any number of cold light bulbs can be lit using only one Tesla coil, and since there is nothing inside them to burn out, they can last indefinitely. It seems like a low cost form of street lighting, doesn't it?


If you americans hadnt been so... pro american back in the days, Tesla would've beaten Edison, easily.
 

NotWii

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hXc_thugg said:
He was a foreigner.

He's also one of the coolest people to ever live, made impossibly cooler by being played by Bowie in The Prestige.
Hahaha, the reason I came here
 

iamblades

Member
He is not as prominent for two reasons:

1. he didn't brand consumer devices and power companies with his name. Every early electrical device a consumer would buy either had Edison's name on it, or it was from his company, General Electric, or it's competitor, Westinghouse. Tesla's own company didn't work out, so he had to work for Westinghouse, so the consumers never really had a chance to buy a Tesla branded product, all the products he created were either sold by Edison or Westinghouse. There is something to be said for business savvy and ability to market your ideas, and Tesla had neither, so he never became as famous.

2. He went totally off the deep end in his later years, which diminishes his earlier achievements to a degree. I don't think he would have ever achieved the fame of Edison due to the first reason, but because of his eccentricities (claiming radical new breakthroughs and discoveries, but not proving them or publishing his work, his work on 'death rays' and 'earthquake machines') the scientific and engineering world started to drift away from him and largely ignored him.
 

teiresias

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mac said:
Tesla also never electricuted live elephants on the street.

Poor Topsy.

All in the name of discrediting AC Power - and killing an animal deemed dangerous only because it was a victim of the horrendous conditions in which it was kept.

I just keep thinking how much more pristine the world would look with mature wireless energy distribution instead of these damn ugly wires everywhere. Of course, it should keep that whole "lightning" look too to make it more sci-fi looking and awesome.
 

Javaman

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While I think that Tesla was highly under appreciated, his wireless power ideas were pretty much a crock...

When Nikola Tesla invented the AC (alternating current) induction motor, he had great difficulty convincing men of his time to believe in it. Thomas Edison was in favor of direct current (DC) electricity and opposed AC electricity strenuously. Tesla eventually sold his rights to his alternating current patents to George Westinghouse for $1,000,000. After paying off his investors, Tesla spent his remaining funds on his other inventions and culminated his efforts in a major breakthrough in 1899 at Colorado Springs by transmitting 100 million volts of high-frequency electric power wirelessly over a distance of 26 miles at which he lit up a bank of 200 light bulbs and ran one electric motor! With this souped up version of his Tesla coil, Tesla claimed that only 5% of the transmitted energy was lost in the process. But broke of funds again, he looked for investors to back his project of broadcasting electric power in almost unlimited amounts to any point on the globe. The method he would use to produce this wireless power was to employ the earth's own resonance with its specific vibrational frequency to conduct AC electricity via a large electric oscillator. When J.P. Morgan agreed to underwrite Tesla's project, a strange structure was begun and almost completed near Wardenclyffe in Long Island, N.Y. Looking like a huge lattice-like, wooden oil derrick with a mushroom cap, it had a total height of 200 feet. Then suddenly, Morgan withdrew his support to the project in 1906, and eventually the structure was dynamited and brought down in 1917.

Was it directional or omnidirectional? It would have to be omni if you want to power things other then in a straight path (Which is the whole point of wireless power). Even then how on earth could there only be a 5% loss? The amount of energy that would be lost in order to light those distant bulbs is staggering. He might as well have made a ring of bulbs all the way around the 26 miles... they would have all lit up. Since he didn't, all that extra energy was lost. Also, good luck getting any serious amounts of mechanical energy remotely. Wired electricity took off for a good reason. It's feasible.
 

JohnTinker

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Nerevar

they call me "Man Gravy".
iamblades said:
2. He went totally off the deep end in his later years, which diminishes his earlier achievements to a degree. I don't think he would have ever achieved the fame of Edison due to the first reason, but because of his eccentricities (claiming radical new breakthroughs and discoveries, but not proving them or publishing his work, his work on 'death rays' and 'earthquake machines') the scientific and engineering world started to drift away from him and largely ignored him.

yeah, a lot of people forget that Tesla was pretty much insane when they talk about how great he was. Tesla did a lot of pretty cool stuff, but he claimed a lot more which made him seem somewhat of a crock in the scientific community at the time. That more than anything else is why Tesla isn't really viewed in the same light as Edison, not because he was "un-American".
 

fallengorn

Bitches love smiley faces
I thought this was going to be about The Five Fists of Science.
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I've always been meaning to pick that up but never do.
 

bob_arctor

Tough_Smooth
I bet Tesla wouldn't f*ck up New York's power every goddamn summer. Bah. Also, it'd have been cool to say "Damn, we forgot to pay the Niko Tes bill".
 

SRG01

Member
Javaman said:
While I think that Tesla was highly under appreciated, his wireless power ideas were pretty much a crock...



Was it directional or omnidirectional? It would have to be omni if you want to power things other then in a straight path (Which is the whole point of wireless power). Even then how on earth could there only be a 5% loss? The amount of energy that would be lost in order to light those distant bulbs is staggering. He might as well have made a ring of bulbs all the way around the 26 miles... they would have all lit up. Since he didn't, all that extra energy was lost. Also, good luck getting any serious amounts of mechanical energy remotely. Wired electricity took off for a good reason. It's feasible.

His original experiment and designs were indeed omnidirectional.

The reason why wireless power has been popping up these days is because we're starting to figure out how to transmit low amounts of power directionally. It's still not very efficient, though.

As it stands right now, the two most efficient methods of power transfer are by direct cable (ie. a power line) or a matched waveguide.
 

Lord Error

Insane For Sony
Tesla is hugely famous in his countries of origin at least (Serbia and Croatia). There's even a Nikola Tesla Museum in Belgrade, Serbia.

Reasons why he's not well known in the US are all mentioned already and all valid. He had a poor business sense, and was an eccentric, which in scientific community hasn't worked to his favor.

At the end of the day, I really appreciate everything Tesla did, and think his eccentricities are easily forgettable in light of his accomplishments, most important of which (AC power) is the basic building block of the world we live in now. And yes, It was really great seeing Bowie's interpretation of Tesla, he really did the justice to him I thought.

Buggy Loop said:
If you americans hadnt been so... pro american back in the days, Tesla would've beaten Edison, easily.
He did technically beat Edison when it comes to electricity, that's why we are all using AC power today. He also post-humely(sp?) was awarded the patent to Radio, still often thought to belong to Marconi.
 

reilo

learning some important life lessons from magical Negroes
It's also sad that Edison is credited with a lot of shit he did not invent (such as the first film camera), but he got the credit anyway because all he did was fund the project.

It's really sad.

Tesla was a genius that knew what he was doing. Edison was basically just an accidental discoverist.
 

otthon

Banned
If anyone ever ventures to Niagara Falls, there is an amazing homage to Tesla in the Falls View Casino.

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This mammoth machine goes 'off' every hour. The whole machine lights up and shakes while electricity sparks at the top. I am not sure if I can bring a video camera into the Casino, but I will try to capture it 'going off'.
 
Edison always tried to shoot down Tesla (not literally).

Tesla's inventions were great but he was not a force by any means. Edison was mediocre but he was brilliant at marketing his product and making his name known. Its survival.
 
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