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So I had this post prepared for the Grimrock thread thought it would be better for another discussion specifically focused on these classics.

It would be great if you guys posted some that are missing and better yet: available legally on some DD service.

Part 2: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthre...6#post36706516
Part 3: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthre...7#post36728077
Part 4: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthre...1#post36851341

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Here's a list of some of the old First Person RPGs. I have finished all of the below except one that is mentioned (RoA1). I did not post about the most famous ones (M&M3-5, Wizardry, EotB etc.) as everybody knows them and has played and loved them :)

I hope Grimrock joins these classics!

Enjoy!

Ultima Underworld: The Stygian Abyss
Ultima Underworld II: Labyrinth of Worlds

http://www.gog.com/gamecard/ultima_underworld_1_2


(UW1)


(UW2)

Best first person dungeon crawler ever. Challenging, deep, mature and totally revolutionary at the time of release with very good music and unprecedenced atmosphere. First game in history where you could fly, swim and move your head 360 degrees around including up and down. This game PRE-dates Wolfenstein 3D yet Wolf3D is hailed as the first free-movement FPS game ever. There was much doubt about UW1 and UW2 around the time of release, people were saying "First person Ultima game? So dumbed down!" After getting critical acclaim and almost perfect scores all the haters were shut.

A true classic that no RPG aficianodo should omit.


Lands of Lore: The Throne of Chaos
Lands of Lore: Guardians of Destiny

http://www.gog.com/gamecard/lands_of_lore_1_2


(LoL1)


(LoL2)

Another classic and his sequel, both very high rated (80-90) games. A "modern" at the time of release version of Eye of the Beholder series. To be frank I liked them more than EoB series, they were more "casual" but still somewhat hardcore. LoL1 sports typical DOS era graphics which are however way nicer than those found in EoB. Puzzles are easier as well. LoL2 is a next-gen title: 3D acceleration, texturing, special effects, full 360 degrees movement. Same vein as for example Might and Magic 6 onwards.


Might and Magic VI: The Mandate of Heaven
http://www.gog.com/gamecard/might_an...imited_edition



The second best dungeon crawler ever created. Calling it a dungeon crawler is a bit much as the overworld in this game is HUGE. Better to call it... the 1998 version of Skyrim. This game is absolutely AMAZING. It can take up to 100 hours to finish. It is not a DOS game anymore (so no 320x240 8-bit VGA graphics like previous Might and Magic titles) but a full 65k colours Windows title. You can fly in this game! Fly in the overworld! How cool is that? You can also teleport to ANY place you want even in the middle of a dungeon (Lloyd's Beacon spell). Might and Magic 6 overwhelms you just as Baldur's Gate 2 does. There is just so much to do. The whole world is a sandbox - you can go EVERYWHERE you want any time you want. Wanna try tackling those Titans with 3000 damage points attacks while you're party has an average of 260 HP? Go on. They will more than kill you... they will ERADICATE you where not even a Resurrection spell can help! I could go on and on about this game for hours... It has the perfect amount of challenge right until the very last dungeon where things start to get a little bit on the easy side cause you can shoot laser weapons then. Don't be confused: sci-fi ending is a staple of Might and Magic series. One last thing: dungeons in Mandate of Heaven are second to none.

If I were to recommend ONE game from this list, ONE game for all you old-school RPG maniacs this would be Mandate of Heaven. For me personally this is the best RPG ever created. Better than Fallouts, Baldur's Gates, previous M&M entries, even better than Ultima 7.


Arx Fatalis
http://www.gog.com/gamecard/arx_fatalis



Arx Fatalis is the most faitful sequel to Ultima Underworld 1&2 ever created. It is Ultima Underworld 3 much like Dead Space is System Shock 3. A true spiritual successor. Game has new-age graphics (bumpmapping, selfshadowing etc.) but still retains the absolutely amazing atmosphere of the old Ultima Underworld games. You are alone in strange caverns. There are different races living down there, they inhabit different carved in stone castles, villages, dungeons. The magic system is very interesting: you have to actually draw runes to cast spells. Imagine drawing runes in pre-Wii era with your mouse... kinda awkward. The difficulty spike near the end of the game is ENORMOUS. There is one species of heavily armored enemies that simply cannot be defeated without using quick-save/ quick-load cheating. And you want to defeat them cause they sport the very best armor in the whole game. Last boss design looks ridiculous and breaks the otherwise perfect whole game.

If you loved UW1 and UW2 you will love Arx Fatalis. I think there is even an Xbox version!


Ishar: Legend of the Fortress
Ishar 2: Messengers of Doom

http://www.gog.com/gamecard/ishar_1_2


(Ishar 1)


(Ishar 2)

Another duo of classics. There was actually "Ishar 0" (prequel to Ishar trilogy) called Crystals of Arborea. All of the games in the series are very, very hardcore. Unbeatable without FAQ and printed out maps. I remember drawing the maps myself on huge 1m x 1m pieces of paper. Game is REALLY hard. You have to save after each fight. There is one cheap mechanic to abuse though: all of the enemies in the game have their areas of movement meaning they will follow you only up to a point. When you pass that point they will just stand there and you can move back a tile and safely kill them with magic and ranged weapons... if the enemies don't have ranged spells on them that is :D Some of the later dungeons are deadly with traps and spells that can wipe out your party in 1-2 turns. Best weapon in the game (Chaos Sword) is only usuable by Chaotic characters. Good characters... should not use it as it will hit them instead of the enemy. Pretty interesting mechanic.

A french comapny made those games BTW.


Realms of Arkania: Blade of Destiny
Realms of Arkania 2: Star Trail

http://www.gog.com/gamecard/realms_of_arkania_1_2


(RoA1)


(RoA2)

The only single game from Joseph's list that I did not finish (RoA1).

RoA1 and RoA2 are UNBEATABLE without FAQs. (RoA1 more so than RoA2). There are some very hard puzzles and plot moments where you simply don't know how the fuck you should proceed. IIRC there is a point where you have to split your party and each group goes to a different dungeon and you can switch between the parties in some dream sequences or something like that. The series have an interesting food and water mechanics where you must eat and drink in order to live. All of the spells in the games are based on Das Schwarze Auge RPG system and their names don't mean nothing to even veteran RPG players for example Plumbumbarum...?!? What the hell.. is this from Final Fantasy 13?!? Game is in first person during wandering around towns and dungeons but combat is isometric and turn-based: exactly like Final Fantasy Tactics or X-Com.

The very definition of a hardcore to the bone RPG. Two of the hardest games in this list. You cannot get a harder RPG!


Realms of Arkania 3: Shadows Over Riva



http://www.gog.com/gamecard/realms_of_arkania_3

See RoA1&2. Exact same mechanics but with much better in-town and in-dungeon graphics and much easier game (when it comes to puzzles and dungeons). Maybe it felt so easy for me because I finished RoA2 before? Hard to tell. EXCELLENT red book audio (don't know if it is present in the DD version?).

Recommended if you want to start playing the Realms of Arkania trilogy.


Might and Magic VII: For Blood and Honor
http://www.gog.com/gamecard/might_an...lood_and_honor



Warning: I have an axe to grind about this game.

A game that is nowhere near as perfect as M&M6. It uses the same engine, same monsters, same mechanics etc. but the magic of a new-age 3D Might and Magic title was lost in between. It is just not as fun nor revolutionary. It is much shorter and has worse dungeons. A good comparison is Modern Warfare 2 to Modern Warfare change. Seems the same good fun but... it's not really the same. Lightning does not strike twice after all.

Decent RPG but only if you did not play M&M6.


Might and Magic VIII: Day of the Destroyer
http://www.gog.com/gamecard/might_an..._the_destroyer



A much better follow up to M&M6 than M&M7. New World Computing tried some interesting mechanics in this part (you could turn to dragon IIRC). M&M7 had very cliche maps and locales (elven forest, dwarven mine, human settlement etc.) while M&M8 has some more interesting ones: dragon volcanoes, elemental planes etc. If I were to stick to the CoD comparison this would be the Black Ops of modern Call of Duty games. A well known formula that tries to mix up thing a little and ends up being way more fun and intereting that it should.

Really recommended for M&M fans.


Stonekeep
http://www.gog.com/gamecard/stonekeep



This is a weird one - a pretty good RPG from Interplay which got reviews all over the place. It has a very distinct look kind of like Demon Souls? Goth, heavy, dark fantasy. Actually there are some pretty hard-ass bosses in this game (Snow Queen) too! Overall a very underrated RPG that had tremendous marketing campaign and huge budget (live-action actors!).

Highly recommended as it is one of a kind because of how it looks.


Might and Magic IX: Writ of Fate
http://www.gog.com/gamecard/might_and_magic_9



It is the last of Might and Magic games and let's be frank: it is VERY dumbed down. Really not recommended as nothing in this game makes sense or "clicks". Small maps, small dungeons, lack of series' staple spells etc. I only beat it because I had to beat all M&M titles (M&M1-9). Did not enjoy one bit. Compared to M&M6... this is pure garbage. Take a look at the inventory paper-doll total downgrade from previous parts... smh.

Stay away and call the trashman.


Anvil of Dawn



eBay

A very fun dungeon crawler from the Might and Magic guys (New World Computing). It has IMO the best graphics out of the 90-degree movement era. Enemies are big and have lots of frames of animation. It is a pleasure seeing them die, every single time. There is a game breaking bug that WIPES OUT your inventory (actually things in your inventory that are in some kind of a container) so you should save often and alwasy toggle save states. AoD can be pretty easy if you have lots of time to waste: there is real time mana regeneration (something like 1% each 15 seconds) so if you are low on health you can just stay in one place and wait for your mana to regenerate in order to cast Heal.

A cookie cutter RPG but hey - it's fun and it looks glorious!


Hexx: Heresy of the Wizard



eBay

A very little know real-time dungeon crawler. Pretty fun if not too short: only 5 dungeons but multistory ones. Kind of hard as enemies hit hard and come in large numbers. Luckily they often get stuck on candleposts, chairs, tables etc. The biggest surprise is the levelling system: you level up only while resting! This had made the first hours of my playthrough INSANELY difficult as I was always level 1 while going deeper and deeper in the dungeon. I did not rest as I healed in real-time (mana regens) so I did not have the opportunity to level up. When I finally rested (don't even remember why) hilarity ensued :D There is a game BREAKING bug where KEYS in your inventory decrease to one when you change levels. The only solution I found is to "pick" them (glue to the cursor) and move to the next level, then put them down back in the inventory. It even works on trapdoors!


Yendorian Tales 3: Tyrants of Thaine



eBay

This is my favourite 90-degrees of movement (tile based) RPG in history. The only game I've beaten more than 5 times. Super niche. Nobody I know knows about this game, literally NOBODY. Probably noone on this board as well. It is a carbon copy of Might and Magic III-V. Think EA's Medal of Honour next to Activision's Call of Duty. Everything is the same just from a different developer. I really cannot say more about this game except: treat it as another DOS era Might and Magic title. You will be in heaven if you loved old-school M&M games.

You probably never heard about this game but it is a great RPG title. A hidden treasure for old time Might and Magic fans.


Ravenloft: Stone Prophet



eBay

The last RPG I wanted to tell you about. Based on the well known D&D universe Stone Prophet is an egyptian-themed entry in the Ravenloft DOS RPGs (the other one is Ravenloft: Strahd's Possession, set in a typical Dracula environment). It runs in SVGA and it really shows! It has an interesting plot and medium to hard combat (damn trolls!). It also has the most original enemy I've ever encountered: Grave Golems. Golems made of Graves, of Cementary soil. Pretty scary, beatiful and powerful.

This game has the BEST soundtrack from all other listed here. I had the opportunity to play it on a Gravis Ultrasound and my MIND. WAS. BLOWN. I wal literally there, on the sand dunes, in the tombs. The music is absolutely out of this world. Never before, nor never after I was treated to such amazing pieces in a RPG and that includes all Final Fantasy, The Elder Scrolls, Dragon Quests and just all RPG games in history.

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Bonus from poster Ledsen:

Originally Posted by Ledsen

So I was rummaging through old Swedish gaming magazine High Score from the 90's and found this, thought GAF would get a kick out of it:



Ravenloft: Strahd's Possession (4/4)
Despite some irritating stuff, I enjoyed Ravenloft. It's not as freeform as TES: Arena, but the story is much better.



Perihelion (2/5)
A poor product with a wasted premise.



The Elder Scrolls: Arena (4/5)
An ambitious product that almost succeeds in creating a virtual world [...] no match for Underworld, despite the size. Also contains the best comment: It's a bit hard to accept that my 33 MHz 486 now counts as slow.



Betrayal at Krondor (4/5)
Krondor feels like a good book, with amazing depth and well-realized, multi-faceted characters [...] Where it matters, Krondor is a very well put-together RPG [...] The 9 chapters are enough to keep anyone glued to their screen for months.



Lands of Lore (4/5)
Lands of Lore is as close to perfect as it gets. [...] but I can't shake the feeling that it's been done before [...] Lacks the originality to take the top spot from Underworld I



Ishar 2 (3/5)
The enemies are incredibly strong, but dumb as sheep. They'll follow you to a certain point, then simply stand there like idiots, watching you. [...] Not a ground-breaking game, but pretty entertaining at times.



Hired Guns (4/5)
Buy this game.



Albion (3/5)
A fun game for those with patience, because it takes a while to get into it.



Dungeon Hack (3/5)
A highly mediocre game [...] The graphics are lifted straight from Eye of the Beholder 3 [...] but the monsters animate very poorly [...] which is pretty silly considering it takes a 386 to play Dungeon Hack.

The scans above are HUGE (so I quoted them) and you can see lots of detail there. Links to full size images below:

http://www.abload.de/img/img_11585buhc.jpg
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Gravijah
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may we, young man.
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Dungeon Master was amazing. In my top 3 games of all time next to Rez and Ico.
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Dungeon Master 2 was great as well. Need to add it to my list.
Locke_211
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(04-06-2012, 09:59 AM)
I only had a NES when I was young and had a game called Swords and Serpents:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhQg-b4j5ZM

I never got anywhere because I couldn't understand how your characters' levels could differ from the game level you were actually on.

Does The Elder Scrolls: Arena fit here? I've been reading up about it in light of my Skryim obsession and love that it has some of the same dungeons:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZsWqR2GULw

Watch a few minutes in and they end up in Winterhold!
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Great thread.

I got Shadows of Riva from some random magazine back in the day. It was nice, but I was young and didn't speak English too well. I might install it if I find it next time I'm rooting through ye old stuff.

Also had MM7 which was fun but ran like shit on my computer. It was so frustrating because Quake 2 ran better despite having way better graphics. It boggled my mind and I was convinced that the programmers at 3DO were lazy bastards.
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They're called dungeon crawlers, but I don't think I've ever seen one that's actually about crawling.

You always seem to be perfectly competent at walking.

It would probably be hard to use a sword if you had to crawl everywhere.
Ledsen
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Why no wizardry? I've always heard wizardry 8 is amazing.
Grymm
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Descent to Undermountain
Daggerfall

and were the Zork games 1st person dungeon crawlers?

And do Shadow... Shadow... Shadow whatever and its follow up Deja Vu on the NES, do they count?

Also, there was a DnD game on the Genesis where the actual dungeon parts were 1st person but town exploration was overhead.
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Originally Posted by Ledsen

Why no wizardry? I've always heard wizardry 8 is amazing.

Less popular ones first :)
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Excellent thread. I've unfortunately never played any of the aforementioned as my first contact with the genre was this very generation through the Etrian Odyssey series. I know you're rather hesitant but, would you consider expanding your list with more recent entries on current or last gen consoles so us newbies can try?
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Arcana!

V_Arnold
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Oh, Might and Magic VI. How much time did I spent on you. You and your wandering Darkmoon Faire....I mean .... I mean :D

And so much dragon kills. So much spell use. So much running around with 3 of my members cursed, with a dozen of harpies following in the air.

Dat game. Dear lord.
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StoppedInTracks
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Originally Posted by kyubajin

Excellent thread. I've unfortunately never played any of the aforementioned as my first contact with the genre was this very generation through the Etrian Odyssey series. I know you're rather hesitant but, would you consider expanding your list with more recent entries on current or last gen consoles so us newbies can try?

Sure I will but old ones go first. I never really created |OT|s and didn't know how time consuimg it can be :|

I urge anyone who can contribute to this thread to join in and describe some FP RPGs especially the ones found on old consoles (NES, SNES) or handhelds (GBA, DS) etc.

I don't really know this genre on consoles. I know there is Etrian Odyssey and Mazes of Fate and that's it :D Oh and Wizardry that I loved on the PS3!
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Threads that give me a furious need to play games in a genre I normally don't care about are very good threads.
Excellent presentation.
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elvira mistress of the dark





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuDzQLx4wP4

hired guns









http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gr0tczfK4-A

captive 2: liberation





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByT5F56nk34
Ledsen
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So im gonna buy one right now on Gog and play it. WHICH ONE GAF
DigitalDevil
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Excellent thread. I have many warm memories of sitting at my computer on a Saturday afternoon, dutily drawing graph paper maps of Bard's Tale. Good times.
TEJ
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Speaking of old dungeon crawlers, I decided to play kings field 1 on my ps3 before I picked up xenoblade today, but it won't allow me to save my game!

How do I fix this?
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Daggerfall is free on Bethesda's site, though it has overworld as well as dungeons. Overworld about the size of Great Britain.
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Originally Posted by Ledsen

So im gonna buy one right now on Gog and play it. WHICH ONE GAF

I'd say Might and Magic VI: Mandate of Heaven. Most bang for the buck. Total sandbox (non-linear) gameplay. Over 100 hours to finish. Overworld + dungeons. You can fly and rain Meteors on the enemies down on the ground.

Also, dat loot:

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This may be a bit odd, but I'm absolutely in love with the idea of of these games (the older ones)I just hate playing them. I enjoy reading about them, seeing screenshots and videos, and hearing about experiences. But every time I try and start one I lose interest really quickly.

And I love most of the modern games inspired by them; the latest Wizardry was great, as were Etrian Odyssey, The Dark Spire, SMT: Strange Journey, etc.
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Originally Posted by StoppedInTracks

I'd say Might and Magic VI: Mandate of Heaven. Most bang for the buck. Total sandbox (non-linear) gameplay. Over 100 hours to finish. Overworld + dungeons. You can fly and rain Meteors on the enemies down on the ground.

Also, dat loot:

[IM]http://i.imgur.com/98jFM.jpg[/IMG]

Actually I don't care about bang for the buck, shorter would be better I think. I've got so many games already :) What about UU1?
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Originally Posted by Ledsen

Actually I don't care about bang for the buck, shorter would be better I think. I've got so many games already :) What about UU1?

Well then just toss a coin. Hard to tell what would you like as the games are very different even if in the same genre.

Lands of Lore is pretty friendly ("casual") meaning least hardcore from the ones listed.
Fredrik
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Dungeon Master is my favorite and also my first, such a wonderful game, still is, I started playing it again on the old Amga 500 a few months ago. The way it used pitch black darkness and torches that burnt out completely if you were careless is still not surpassed in modern games imo. Dragon's Dogma is said to use darkness in the same way, it's about time, usually you have zero problem walking around in the night or dark dungeons.

Eye of the Beholder is nice too. Black Crypt is another one. The Amiga has many gems.
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Bloodwych was awesome, too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloodwych

Originally Posted by Fredrik

Eye of the Beholder is nice too. Black Crypt is another one. The Amiga has many gems.

Yeah, Black Crypt too. Nom.
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Black Crypt was a fairly interesting Amiga-exclusive take on the EotB formula. Made by Raven Software and apparently their first title.

I also played plenty of Lands of Lore, but ultimately I don't have the patience for these kinds of games. Would like a relatively easy one for Android as a time waster though.

Edit: Damn you! :)
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M&MVI :(
I absolutely love it, my favourite rpg ever, but i have never finished it, probably my greatest regret as a gamer :(
Will we ever see a new Might & Magic?

PS:
Might & Magic VI is more than a open world rpg, it has the joke of the day, hour/day/month based event, spells etc and other things that i have never seen in other rpgs.
Play it if you can ;)
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No love for Albion?



Or, because of the combat gameplay and overhead sessions, doesn't fall into the category?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ft0dKH-dJQ
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It really is amazing how a genre that used to be so big is now basically dead in the West, except for Grimrock and some mobile titles. I think I played every one of those, at least those that were on the C-64 or PC.

Hopefully Grimrock is the start of a comeback...
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Awesome OP. Subscribed.
MasLegio
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Ishar Compilation on GOG do have Ishar 3

Includes
Crystals of Arborea,
Ishar: Legend of the Fortress,
Ishar 2: Messengers of Doom
Ishar 3: The Seven Gates of Infinity


why they have not released Dungeon Master + Chaos Strikes Back on iOS is a mystery to me.


also You Could Be Playing Dungeon Master Right Now (Win, Mac, Linux, PocketPC)
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I have some memories of these really old and crappy ones, Ancients I: The Deathwatch and Ancients II: Approaching Evil.





They're completely by the book, old school RPGs but I enjoyed them anyway back in the DOS days.

Dungeon Hack is AWESOME:



Something about the overall style of the game just grabbed me. This is not a turn-based affair, it's more like Legends of Grimrock with roaming monsters and an active battle system.

And of course, this classic:





I know it's not Western and not extremely deep, but I loved this game so much back in the day. The art style is great, the music is great. I still break it out on the Virtual Console sometimes.
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There are actually brand new dungeon crawlers of this type being made on iOS. Other than Grimrock that I kow of you've got:

Undercroft

The Quest
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Shining in the darknes was my first in this catagory and after that I was in love with these games.


I hope Grimrock is going to be great.
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Originally Posted by UncleSporky

Ancients I: The Deathwatch
Ancients II: Approaching Evil.

Dungeon Hack is AWESOME:



Something about the overall style of the game just grabbed me. This is not a turn-based affair, it's more like Legends of Grimrock with roaming monsters and an active battle system.

Shining in the Darkness

Never even heard of those. Dungeon Hack on that pic looks... familiar? Is it using Eye of the Beholder assets? It looks just like EotB! I have to hunt it down now.
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Originally Posted by RedSwirl

There are actually brand new dungeon crawlers of this type being made on iOS. Other than Grimrock that I kow of you've got:

Undercroft

The Quest

I have been known to get lost playing both The Quest and Undercroft for hours and hours. The Quest has several expansion packs that extend the life of the game. Pretty awesome!

also, no love for this? I have fond memories.

Eye of the Beholder 2: Legend of Darkmoon





This was my first of these types of dungeon crawls, Might & Magic NES!




These are probably my favorite style of RPG.
I'm happy that games like Etrian Odyssey, The Dark Spire, and now Legend of Grimrock are being released.
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Ledsen
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(04-06-2012, 12:46 PM)
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So I bought UU1+2 on GOG and started playing UU1. It's a pretty cool guy.
Philia
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(04-06-2012, 12:47 PM)
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Awesome thread! I had fond memories of Might and Magic III for snes and years later (just about 3 years ago) I just decided to fire it up once more on pc with a set I bought. Got to finish it finally and still loved it to this day.




I've adored dungeon crawlers despite of how hard some of them were back then lol. I really need to give Shining in the Darkness another go. :D I've beaten Holy Ark (it doesn't count but hey) after all.

But yes, of recently, I enjoyed Dark Spire, Etrian Odyssey, Orc & Elves, and Arx Fatalis (YES on xbox!). I just can't get enough of these. :D Of course I preordered Legend of Grimrock immediately lol.
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(04-06-2012, 12:49 PM)
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Hurray for dungeon crawler love! I'm not sure which was my first (it was probably a console or handheld game), but I've loved the genre for a while now. Sadly, I don't know much about the Might and Magic or the Ultima series :/ (Yes, I know I am a bad gamer and person.)

God I love Arx Fatalis so, so much. I really wish we could get a sequel to it but that's especially unlikely now that Arkane was bought by Bethesda :(

(FWIW, the Xbox port of AF is pretty damn good, aside from a handful of horrible bugs. Drawing the runes is much easier with the simplified system used in the port. I have constant trouble getting the game to recognize my runes in the PC version.)
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(04-06-2012, 12:51 PM)

Originally Posted by vagabondarts

I have been known to get lost playing both The Quest and Undercroft for hours and hours. The Quest has several expansion packs that extend the life of the game. Pretty awesome!

also, no love for this? I have fond memories.

Eye of the Beholder 2: Legend of Darkmoon



That was my first dungeon crawler, i played it on the amiga, but i was too young to play it decently.
UncleSporky
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(04-06-2012, 12:53 PM)

Originally Posted by StoppedInTracks

Never even heard of those. Dungeon Hack on that pic looks... familiar? Is it using Eye of the Beholder assets? It looks just like EotB! I have to hunt it down now.

It's by the same company, SSI, though as you can see above it has a much better interface than EotB (it was released in 1993, EotB and its first sequel were 1991). It actually has a lot in common with roguelikes; you're just playing as yourself, no party to back you up, and the maps are randomly generated.
Philia
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(04-06-2012, 12:54 PM)
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Originally Posted by Night_Trekker

God I love Arx Fatalis so, so much. I really wish we could get a sequel to it but that's especially unlikely now that Arkane was bought by Bethesda :(

(FWIW, the Xbox port of AF is pretty damn good, aside from a handful of horrible bugs. Drawing the runes is much easier with the simplified system used in the port. I have constant trouble getting the game to recognize my runes in the PC version.)

Really? I didn't know that it was for the pc version til way later. Got the Poxsellis Helmet, and the best bow from Lord Inut :D I also used http://www.it-he.org/arx.htm for hilarity while playing through this game. :D
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The whole Might and Magic series is half off at GoG. I haven't played any of them. Think I'll jump on the 6 pack and Heroes 3 Complete.
JoseJX
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(04-06-2012, 12:57 PM)
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Op got it right by putting UU1+2 first. These games just oozed atmosphere and it really felt like you had stepped into a world filled with people surviving in the Abyss. Fantastic series that holds up pretty well.

I miss the Origin that created worlds. :/
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Originally Posted by Night_Trekker

God I love Arx Fatalis so, so much. I really wish we could get a sequel to it but that's especially unlikely now that Arkane was bought by Bethesda :(

(FWIW, the Xbox port of AF is pretty damn good, aside from a handful of horrible bugs. Drawing the runes is much easier with the simplified system used in the port. I have constant trouble getting the game to recognize my runes in the PC version.)

There are plenty of bugs on PC too.

Also, DAT MIGHT & MAGIC NES SOUNDTRACK!

Composed by Masaharu Iwata (Ogre Battle, Tactics Ogre, Final Fantasy Tactics, etc.)
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Bitmap Frogs
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(04-06-2012, 01:03 PM)
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I sense a distinct lack of Wizardry in your thread!
7threst
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Subscribed! A while ago I posted a thread to ask about first person dungeon crawlers. I love these games!

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