about par for the course. they planned on 6m wiis when that thing launched, and i think wanted 6m gamecubes by march 2002 (but wound up selling 4m). i think sony wanted 6m ps3s sold in its first few months as well.
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Nintendo 1H 2012 results - $367M operating loss, 5.06M 3DS, 5.5M Wii U forecast
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about par for the course. they planned on 6m wiis when that thing launched, and i think wanted 6m gamecubes by march 2002 (but wound up selling 4m). i think sony wanted 6m ps3s sold in its first few months as well.
Panajev2001a
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Sony already does some kind of discounts when you buy digital on PSN, at least here in Italy compared to the prices at Gamestop.
Mmh, 5.5 millions should be right in the end, and certainly I don't expect Wii U having a demand much higher than production.
StreetsAhead
Member
And who live close enough to Nintendo and want to work in video games and who are good. Suddenly, a much, much smaller pool.
This is one of the stupidest things I've ever read. They'd be losing money more than they are now.
You have to invest money to get new money, that's how businesses work, and Nintendo went trough a lot of investments (new building, new console, new internal structure) . Also you have a lot of challenges, which Nintendo and other japanese companies had to deal with. Iwata will only be in trouble, if the investments, changes and decisions will not pay off one year from now.
perfectchaos007
Member
This. In April of 2005, I don't think anyone would have bet on DS to beat out PSP. Then Nintendogs dropped in Japan, and a few months later in the US/EU and it became a worldwide hit. That game by itself sold many systems for holiday 2005. The 3DS needs a game like that which is a new franchise that gives the market a reason to choose it over an iPad with games bought off the iTunes store. Great existing franchises like Mario Kart, NSMB, Paper Mario and Animal Crossing appearing on 3DS wont accomplish this.
bigtroyjon
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They haven't had a huge R&D budget over the last 3-4 years, at least not higher than they've always had. Slightly higher in the last couple of years but it will go higher over time as inflation causes salary to grow.
It's not about the losses themselves, it's about how the losses come up unexpectedly, which tells us that management really has no clue as to what's going to happen with the future of the company. That's bad news for a company like Nintendo which has been considered a safe investment, where risk adverse investors could park their money and collect dividends without having to worry about losing anything.
I know many. But hey, I´m on neogaf^^...
Bidermaier
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Hopefully Nintendo will go in stressed mode. Which is the best Nintenso. I don't really like Nintendo since Iwata stopped overeating.
IrishNinja
Member
huh...how close did sony end up meeting that figure? yeesh
that's actually really cool to hear. stateside, it's a rarity. it's not even uncommon for me to see $60 for games on XBL and PSN that are marked down at retail, for instance.
agreed, but pokemon came later, didn it? i forget how far along the DS was before it got brain age & nintendoggies. still, hopefully it gets something like that soon...or more people discover pushmo, heh.
i don't think Ani was laying out a plan for that to happen tomorrow, but it's hard to argue with the fact that it'd really help combat the ios/android model they're up against.
i don't think every game should be $1 either, but when im asked $5 or so for Urban Champion, i think the point is being missed
Since they shipped 1.86 millions in Q1, this means they shipped 3.20 millions of 3DS during Q2.
specialguy
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bout time somebody posted this lol.
3ds shipments seem high. the thing is selling like 200k/month in America? and i dont think much better in the other regions? so how does ~600kx3 come close to 5m, even if we allow tons of generous fudge room?
maybe they pre-ship some for the holidays as sony seems to do in their third quarter ship numbers.
wait, is it?
3ds shipments seem high. the thing is selling like 200k/month in America? and i dont think much better in the other regions? so how does ~600kx3 come close to 5m, even if we allow tons of generous fudge room?
maybe they pre-ship some for the holidays as sony seems to do in their third quarter ship numbers.
wait, is it?
Pretty damn good.
specialguy
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by todays garbage standards, i guess.
specialguy
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metalslimer
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Then they should have designed a portable console to meet that price (well Anihawk is being Anihawk 129 is more appropriate). The 199 handheld market is dead with the fact you can now get fully featured tablets for that price. If Nintendo continues to try to stick to the above 150 model in today's market they'll continue to die in the west.
specialguy
Banned
so how about wii this quarter?
1.32m is the 6 months number? what is the quarterly?
edit: i guess it is .61. 1.32-.71 i have for last quarter.
it is really going to limp to 100m. if make it at all.
wii ltd should now be 97.17. i'd say 100m should be a doddle with a 4thq coming up, but the way wii is declining who knows.
Canis lupus
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Only if you expect it to do 8m.
IrishNinja
Member
specialguy why is my ex in your avatar
It just did 3 million in the summer quarter.
Only an idiot wouldn't, they expect 12.44m for the remainder of the FY, vast quantity of that will be the holidays. Common sense!
Edit: And what guy above me said
3DS sold over 8M during last year's holiday quarter.
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2012/120127e.pdf
metalslimer
Member
It would have to have a huge collapse not to...
When just looking at plain hardware sales it definitely seems decent although not up to usual Nintendo handheld standards.
3.68 million
metalslimer
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I would be highly impressed if Sony managed to ship over 500k considering all the stock that was left over and the complete lack of sales this quarter. Although I guess I'm probably underestimating Other
Do we still not have a solid breakdown of last Q? :-( I'm glad Nintendo went back to seperating their consoles, hope Sony does the same.
Err, actually I think the overall number is much better than just decent, but I'm waiting for a well-made hardware shipment table. I'd really like to have one.
You're right, it's probably more like 8 to 1.
frankie_baby
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400k for vita last Q
This is official or an educated guess?
I mean, it checks out, given the numbers we have for Japan and U.S. But Europe is still a question.
Got a link for that? As it was 400k the previous Q, maybe you're mixing the two up.
edit - oh yeah, I vaugley remember something about 2.2m lifetime and getting the 400k figure from that ...
their $39.99 games are keeping tons of people away. even if they do buy the system, they're not buying much software for it. there's about 4-5 nintendo games above 500k in the united states, and then the next closest thing are a handful of games selling 250k-300k. that is terrible considering these games are traditionally strong on nintendo brands (sonic, lego, kingdom hearts, etc).
the $169.99 price tag is a huge barrier too. at the very least, it needs to be $149.99 next year, especially since there's no signs of a savior in the near-future, and i doubt animal crossing will do the trick.
and the problem is less about how they're fucking up the 3ds and more about how the dedicated handheld market is being fucked overall. if nintendo had gotten a grip and stuck with its formula in the handheld world, they'd probably be making some good money off a portable dreamcast with an emphasis on 2d games and some gimmick. and even if it meant the vita was where it was now, there'd be an argument that people want dedicated handhelds to stick around. right now it looks like consumers are pretty lukewarm to the idea in the united states and europe.
next gen, nintendo may give dedicated handheld gaming another go, but it'll be from a weakened position.
metalslimer
Member
Think he meant last Q as in the last Q they reported so Apr-June
Edit: I completely agree with Anihawk. 39.99 games are killing the 3DS. If I was a parent who wasn't into videogames there is no way in hell I would buy my kid a system that cost almost/as much as a tablet with really expensive games. There should be a long selection of 19.99 games. Instead Nintendo is fucking up the pricing of the entire 3DS ecosystem hard. I'm not even going to get into Vita because good lord.
Ah ok
frankie_baby
Member
I did, as I'm assuming that's what she asked for
Sony's Q2 2012 results are scheduled for November 1st.
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/info/calendar/index.html
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/info/calendar/index.html
fabricated backlash
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Brain Training needs to be an e-shop title for maximal 10 bucks. It's not a viable retail game anymore, regardless if Nintendo still thinks it is. It simply isn't. Even at 10 Bucks it's stretching it. 5 or 6 bucks would be my threshhold to bite.
Art Academy on the other hand is also a kind of game that should be e-shop centric with a 10-15 bucks price point. Regardless of it's value, which is admittedly extraordinary, it's hard to convince anyone to buy a Painting Teaching App. For one, tons of people are immensely afraid of even trying it for fear that they might suck at it. Furthermore since there is Colors 3D and all those other painting Apps available on IOS/Android, selling the game at full price is just a hard sell.
Fallblox/Pullblox are probably the games Nintendo should be focusing on. They are brilliant, reasonably priced and addicting.
Nintendos reluctance to present their e-shop offering on the center stage is hurting them a lot. Their extraordinary high pricing policy is another hindring factor. Charging full price for digital versions of a game, on a system that has no unified account system is just pure robbery and irresponsible.
I think combo home/portable console is their best bet.
Its way less than the DS during the same quarter timeframe for comparison.
Code:
DS
Hardware Ap-Jn Jl-Sp Oc-Dc Ja-Mr FY LTD
FY 2004/05 - - 2.84 2.42 5.26 5.26
FY 2005/06 1.29 2.19 5.69 2.29 11.46 16.72
FY 2006/07 4.54 5.55 8.79 4.67 23.55 40.27
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3DS
Hardware Ap-Jn Jl-Sp Oc-Dc Ja-Mr FY LTD
FY 2010/11 - - - 3.61 3.61 3.61
FY 2011/12 0.71 2.36 8.36 2.10 13.53 17.13
FY 2012/13 1.86 3.20 - - 5.06 22.19The handheld market has shrunk a lot. Even in Japan. 3DS is no DS, Vita is no PSP, DS is no GBA.
A couple notes.
-I'm amazed that Wii software sales are at near-parity with DS software sales, with only 2/3 the hardware sales.
-NA is the issue with 3DS sales, obviously, as we've been aware of for awhile. NA sales of the DS were almost 3x that of the Japan figure, but NA and Japan are equal in terms of 3DS. Nintendo has to figure out how to make 3DS relevant in the states, where I'm sure Ipod and iPad sales are much brisker than in Japan.
Ways to do that?
-outlive the Vita. This would allow them to snag some of the exclusives it has.
-become a serious portable sports contender. Nintendo has to make a concerted partnership with EA to really make this a reality.
-distance itself from apps. They shouldn't even bother trying to draw from the phone market. They really need to stay unique.
-price drop to $149 for OG 3DS
-More 1st and 3rd party killer apps, aimed at the western market. Even if they brought over some of the games that have stayed in Japan, it wouldn't make much a dent because they're all fairly niche. Animal Crossing will do okay but they really need to step out there and move with the IPs that are big in the states.
What else can they do?
-I'm amazed that Wii software sales are at near-parity with DS software sales, with only 2/3 the hardware sales.
-NA is the issue with 3DS sales, obviously, as we've been aware of for awhile. NA sales of the DS were almost 3x that of the Japan figure, but NA and Japan are equal in terms of 3DS. Nintendo has to figure out how to make 3DS relevant in the states, where I'm sure Ipod and iPad sales are much brisker than in Japan.
Ways to do that?
-outlive the Vita. This would allow them to snag some of the exclusives it has.
-become a serious portable sports contender. Nintendo has to make a concerted partnership with EA to really make this a reality.
-distance itself from apps. They shouldn't even bother trying to draw from the phone market. They really need to stay unique.
-price drop to $149 for OG 3DS
-More 1st and 3rd party killer apps, aimed at the western market. Even if they brought over some of the games that have stayed in Japan, it wouldn't make much a dent because they're all fairly niche. Animal Crossing will do okay but they really need to step out there and move with the IPs that are big in the states.
What else can they do?
frankie_baby
Member
I'd expect Nintendo to look at reducing the price slightly of 3ds next year (maybe $150 or even $140) just to put it a little more mass market, as for prices of software I think as the range of games increases (3ds still hasfar too small a llibrary) we'll see more older titles sitting on shelves for $20 or even less plus I think Nintendo need to start getting download cards in shops for shop exclusive games
...Err, actually, after seven quarters, 3DS is slightly over what DS did in the same number of quarters. And this despite DS had two Holidays in both Japan and US in the same timeframe, while 3DS just one.
DS after seven quarters - 21.26
3DS after seven quarters - 22.19
IrishNinja
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i still say as long as they think they can viably sell two devices, they're not gonna cut those markets in half.
Bruno MB
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NDS Worldwide Unit Sales (Unit:Million)
Wii Worldwide Unit Sales (Unit:Million)
3DS Worldwide Unit Sales (Unit:Million)
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Hardware Ap-Jn Jl-Sp Oc-Dc Ja-Mr FY LTD
FY 2004/05 - - 2.84 2.43 5.27 5.27
FY 2005/06 1.38 2.19 5.59 2.30 11.46 16.73
FY 2006/07 4.54 5.55 8.79 4.68 23.56 40.29
FY 2007/08 6.98 6.37 11.15 5.81 30.31 70.60
FY 2008/09 6.94 6.79 11.89 5.56 31.18 101.78
FY 2009/10 5.97 5.73 11.65 3.76 27.11 128.89
FY 2010/11 3.15 3.54 9.01 1.82 17.52 146.42
FY 2011/12 1.44 1.14 2.06 0.46 5.10 151.52
FY 2012/13 0.54 0.44 - - 0.98 152.50
Software Ap-Jn Jl-Sp Oc-Dc Ja-Mr FY LTD
FY 2004/05 - - 5.01 5.48 10.49 10.49
FY 2005/06 5.32 7.98 22.60 14.05 49.95 60.44
FY 2006/07 18.35 24.81 50.64 29.75 123.55 183.98
FY 2007/08 34.26 41.24 71.39 38.73 185.62 369.61
FY 2008/09 36.59 48.43 78.76 33.53 197.31 566.92
FY 2009/10 29.09 42.06 50.23 30.21 151.59 718.5
FY 2010/11 22.42 32.42 44.15 21.99 120.98 839.48
FY 2011/12 12.13 16.86 22.21 9.62 60.82 900.31
FY 2012/13 8.48 8.82 - - 17.30 917.61Wii Worldwide Unit Sales (Unit:Million)
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Hardware Ap-Jn Jl-Sp Oc-Dc Ja-Mr FY LTD
FY 2006/07 - - 3.19 2.65 5.84 5.84
FY 2007/08 3.43 3.90 6.96 4.32 18.61 24.45
FY 2008/09 5.17 4.93 10.42 5.43 25.95 50.39
FY 2009/10 2.23 3.53 11.30 3.48 20.53 70.93
FY 2010/11 3.04 1.93 8.75 1.36 15.08 86.01
FY 2011/12 1.56 1.79 5.61 0.88 9.84 95.85
FY 2012/13 0.71 0.61 - - 1.32 97.18
Software Ap-Jn Jl-Sp Oc-Dc Ja-Mr FY LTD
FY 2006/07 - - 17.51 11.33 28.84 28.84
FY 2007/08 15.98 20.99 47.38 35.25 119.60 148.44
FY 2008/09 40.41 41.00 82.37 40.80 204.58 353.02
FY 2009/10 31.07 45.14 80.43 35.17 191.81 544.83
FY 2010/11 28.17 37.04 85.33 20.72 171.26 716.09
FY 2011/12 13.44 23.01 52.61 13.31 102.37 818.46
FY 2012/13 8.47 15.27 - - 23.74 842.203DS Worldwide Unit Sales (Unit:Million)
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Hardware Ap-Jn Jl-Sp Oc-Dc Ja-Mr FY LTD
FY 2010/11 - - - 3.61 3.61 3.61
FY 2011/12 0.71 2.36 8.36 2.10 13.53 17.13
FY 2012/13 1.86 3.20 - - 5.06 22.19
Software Ap-Jn Jl-Sp Oc-Dc Ja-Mr FY LTD
FY 2010/11 - - - 9.43 9.43 9.43
FY 2011/12 4.53 3.60 19.91 7.96 36.00 45.42
FY 2012/13 7.39 11.64 - - 19.03 64.45Thank you. That was hugely disingenuous what Shriek did with the numbers. He included 3 extra quarters for DS. Made zero sense.