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Dragon Age 3 artist: Xbox 720 tech wont require as much new staff/budget as Xbox->360
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Neuromancer
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What everyone else said.
These "it's not a huge leap" deals are heard with every single generational shift with every console line, the Xbox 360 was dubbed Xbox 1.5 intially even.
I'd take any statements like these with an order of magnitude worth of salt.
Edit: re-read and he's talking about manpower not console power. My bad.
I'd take any statements like these with an order of magnitude worth of salt.
Edit: re-read and he's talking about manpower not console power. My bad.
thelurkinghorror
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Because... "they nailed" this gen!
Poor, poor Bioware. Ask Cd Projekt how to build an awesome game and be happy with one million copies sold.
Poor, poor Bioware. Ask Cd Projekt how to build an awesome game and be happy with one million copies sold.
Well when he says not as big a leap, I assume he means in terms of needing man power as he said, and perhaps the obvious: going from SD to HD was a huge change. I expect games to look like PC games on high as compared to low/med. Which isn't bad at all and is stil la BIG LEAP compared to what we have now, but will disappoint many I think.
MikeE21286
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Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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"You'd have to sell 20-30 million copies before you broke even."
Pfft what?! Such bullshit.
Pfft what?! Such bullshit.
GarthVaderUK
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How does a much smaller company like CD Projekt RED manage to create what they do? There must be some real bloat at these bigger companies, it's no wonder so many of them make losses.
SniperHunter
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what a dumb title....
Barack Lesnar
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Title is a bit misleading. He doesn't say the hardware isn't 10x more powerful like the 360 was to the Xbox, he says that we won't see as obvious a leap due to how expensive the games will be to make.
Doesn't say the actual specs aren't a huge leap, just that due to the budgets being so high he's doubting many devs, if any, will fully use the hardware.
Edit- severely beaten
Doesn't say the actual specs aren't a huge leap, just that due to the budgets being so high he's doubting many devs, if any, will fully use the hardware.
Edit- severely beaten
Neuromancer
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Oh yeah what the hell? I hope he's being hyperbolic."You'd have to sell 20-30 million copies before you broke even."
Pfft what?! Such bullshit.
well he actually says "For the next generation there will be quite a big leap but it won't be as obvious," sounds like power talk to me.
bigtroyjon
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Nintendo has poor Wii U sales in Japan, better make a misleading thread title about one of their competitors!
He's talking about if costs had a 10X leap like they did this gen.
"You'd have to sell 20-30 million copies before you broke even."
Pfft what?! Such bullshit.
He's talking about if costs had a 10X leap like they did this gen.
amstradcpc
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He clearly is saying that lighting will be real time this time but must be cautious in explaining it not to reveal it is the secret sauce, so artist work will be more clever as they won´t have to pre-bake shadows, lights, and so on.
GarthVaderUK
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Read on. Context.
You clicked the link?
You talking to me? Check the source before you post and say that again
thelurkinghorror
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Sound like more know how and better tools to me.
Zyrusticae
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Wait, what? That's not what he's saying at all. He's saying he doesn't think the budgets will increase both because developers are more prepared for the workload and because the team sizes aren't going to balloon like they did last time.
"Fully using the hardware" is extremely easy. Just throw in 1080p with 4x MSAA and you'll see those boxes maxed out in no time at all.
Yup, it's misleading.
Interfectum
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Artists are already getting used to creating higher res texture assets for PC. This is just going to be the next logical step in that direction. Slightly higher polycount with a lot more shaders and effects. It's not going to require the staff bump that was required to jump into 360/PS3.
At first I was like: Oh well, so much for next gen. Guess I'll get a WiiU instead.
Then I was like: Oh, it's a budget thread! Of course it makes sense the budget won't balloon like last time because we're already in HD gen so the technological leap won't come as a surprise to any developer who has worked on current gen consoles.
Then I was like: Oh, it's a budget thread! Of course it makes sense the budget won't balloon like last time because we're already in HD gen so the technological leap won't come as a surprise to any developer who has worked on current gen consoles.
shinra-bansho
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Thread title seemingly changed to better reflect the actual content.
Anyway, even this gen, I still don't really get how Naughty Dog can create Uncharted 2 on ~20M, while other teams need 2x, 3x as much to churn out a game.
Although I actually think marketing budget inflation has been and will be more the problem.
Anyway, even this gen, I still don't really get how Naughty Dog can create Uncharted 2 on ~20M, while other teams need 2x, 3x as much to churn out a game.
Although I actually think marketing budget inflation has been and will be more the problem.
Dr. Zoidberg
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And this is the real source of "diminishing returns". Not that the hardware can't do it, but that the cost of taking full advantage of the new hardware is just not worth it financially.
infinityBCRT
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I think its not just going to be raw power which will make games look better at the start of this gen. Just getting to 720p with higher res textures made a huge start last gen. But this time around its probably more about shaders and lighting. Getting things to look more like CG and/or real life.
Toolchains are also a lot better than they used to be.
Frostbite has a fully realtime development process, so you don't have to sit around waiting hours for lighting to bake to see how your model/level/texture will actually look in game as an example of artist productivity.
Can Crusher
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This is great news.
Careful; he's saying there won't be as large a leap. Not quite the same thing!
Do you mean like UE4/CE3? Also, like UE4, is FB2 looking to eliminate prebaked shadows?
Sounds like Nintendo had the right idea
Frostbite's toolchain is a lot like UE4 yes.
Their version of Unreal Kismet for example is Frostbite Schematics.
Geomerics also lets them create their lighting in realtime, even on current gen, since it's generated in the loading screen on 360/PS3.
On PC though it just runs a lot more like GI, since you have the power.
shinobi602
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Awesome news.
Interfectum
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Oh yeah. All these engines are already geared towards high end PC specs that current consoles can't even do. Developers could easily "wow" most of us simply by cranking up current gen games effects, textures, frame rate and resolution at minimal cost in manpower.
This console generation has lingered on for a long time while development tools have already matured and are able to produce graphics well beyond what these systems are capable of. Developers will be able to ride off of that for the first couple years easily.
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