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Xbox One To Support Mods? 'It's Up To Developers' Says Major Nelson
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Unreal Champ
Banned
Just flick a switch, Major.
ChosenPredator
Banned
it feels at this point anything they say won't be believed until it's actually physically happening in front of peoples eyes
ComputerMKII
Banned
No devs will even bother.
Speedy Blue Dude
Banned
Now I'm imagining Halo 5 with mods... The community alread creates amazing things with the small limited toy box they're giving.
Oh gosh, so good. Give it to me 343! Mod support on Xbox One means the system got 100 times better, and MIcrosoft doesn't have too do a single thing.
Oh gosh, so good. Give it to me 343! Mod support on Xbox One means the system got 100 times better, and MIcrosoft doesn't have too do a single thing.
CambriaRising
Member
So now suddenly the company that charged 40k for patches so that developers don't release broken games is going to facilitate the modification of games that need to be certified before they even release on the console?
Yeah, right. As with all Ms pr, there is more to this story.
Yeah, right. As with all Ms pr, there is more to this story.
I guess the game most likely to allow mods would be The Witcher 3 at some point. Cool they allow the devs to decide, but I'd be better if Mircosoft themselves was enthusiastic about it by having some of their games have it. Dead Rising 3 with mods equals so much potential.
Can't see this being supported too much right now.
Can't see this being supported too much right now.
LastChance2Frag
Neo Member
Would be great to be able to have the kind of mods available for PC on games like Elder Scrolls.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
I dont know if I like this or not. I hope its not too open
Miles Quaritch
Member
They no longer charge for patches.
Black Republican
Member
Would be pretty cool
Nope. The PS3 supported mods (eg, Unreal Tournament 3) but not the 360.
edit. PS3 could do it.
Speedy Blue Dude
Banned
It's not charges, it's charged.
Microsoft quietly removed their charging for a patch policy earlier this year, hell we only found out because a dev said so.
Looks like Microsoft is changing their stance on a lot of things lately (or had these changes in mind, who knows, who really cares). No more charges for a patch, making their certification process more stream lined and faster, allowing self publishing, making every xbox one a dev kit, etc. I can see them allowing mods.
Miles Quaritch
Member
That would be no. There was a lot of complaining about their lack of support for mods, especially when UT3 on PS3 supported them.
This is a new stance, can't say I disapprove.
Yeah, I know.
I totally had the PS3 story (Unreal) in my head :/
CambriaRising
Member
That meant to say charged. I am typing on my phone.
I can't see them allowing mods in a traditional sense. You aren't going to see full conversions or anything else that might break the game or demand more performance from the hardware.
Miles Quaritch
Member
It's a shame Sony didn't capitalise on mods for more games, could have really made all the difference and they would have had a significant head start in mod support going into the next generation.
Don't see it happening, Sony was fine with it, doesn't mean developers started doing it for their games. I also don't trust a word that comes out of major nelsons mouth these days.
Try no longer charge for 360 patches, they haven't said anything on the Xbox One as far as I am aware.
Try no longer charge for 360 patches, they haven't said anything on the Xbox One as far as I am aware.
Miles Quaritch
Member
That doesn't make sense. If they've changed it for 360, they'll keep it in place for the One.
Well, implementing mods costs time + resources (hardware).
And you need a second hardware/system (PC) to create mods for the console version.
I can see why publishers doesn't care about mods (on consoles).
Maybe they will implement some kind of an "level creator" like Sucker Punch did for inFamous 2.
Little Old Man
Member
Post 180 marketing spin strategy: offer everything as a possibility, promise nothing.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Are you crazy? If sony said this the same thing would happen.
SymbolicGamer
Banned
While it would be nice, I can't see it happening. Microsoft is pretty vigilant when it comes to making sure people's achievements are legit, and mods would make earning them cheap. People would just enable "god mode" in every game. And competitive would have all kinds of cheaters using all sorts of hacks.
And mods ****ed up both Borderlands.
And mods ****ed up both Borderlands.
Pirzolaman
Banned
Mods can be used on the 360 if you know how to do it, especially bethesda games. But of course this is not official so to speak.
SkullplateMurray
Member
"Mod" is a very loose term.
The next Minecraft X360 update will add in support for texture packs - they're mods of a sort.
The next Minecraft X360 update will add in support for texture packs - they're mods of a sort.
The thing is this has been a feature that the PS3 has had, as previously stated by others in this thread. Major Nelson gets asked a question and he replies "No, we won't restrict that" and all these people are "Wooo, another great feature" "MS making all the right moves" "I hope Sony does this"
For me there's nothing that these 2 companies announced that they shouldn't have announced, these things should have been STANDARD! Allowing indies to self publish, that's not a new feature, that's a reversal of a shitty policy. Allowing me to trade in a physical copy of a game I purchased, is not a new policy it's the norm. Allowing people with the time and talent to add mods to a game is not a new policy, PC's have been doing it for years.
Nice move Microsoft. Let's see how it plays out. Lots of positive moves lately. I guess theyre in the same boat Sony was shortly after the PS3 launched,aka in trouble. Difference is instead of loosing billions like Sony did theyre quick to learn before its too late. Sometimes you gotta fall on your ass hard before you see things more clearly. This time it's Microsoft's turn to get off their ass before the 10 count. Least theyre moving quickly to fix things.
Yeah probably. Just sick of entering any thread where there's the slightest hint of MS doing anything positive and get hit by a negative tidal wave.
Exactly, this will not be the mod support many have been waiting for on consoles.
DeadlyVirus
Member
This is the new answer to everything: it's up to the developers.
Will the cloud enchance graphics? It's up to the developers
Will games sale at a higher price? It's up to the developers
Etc, etc, etc...
Will the cloud enchance graphics? It's up to the developers
Will games sale at a higher price? It's up to the developers
Etc, etc, etc...
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
I was being sarcastic sorry lol.
Nightengale
Member
Even if Sony was 'quick-to-learn' during the PS3 launch days, they were going to lose billions anyway.
Investment into Cell technology and factory fabrication. The initial overhead cost for their 1st-party studios and wasted man-hours to develop for Cell. The cost of Blu-Ray drive in their system.
They were losing a lot of money, even at $599, no 2 ways around that.
Facism
Member
Do you have sources about patches for xbone being free for developers? I can understand why they dropped patch fees for 360 seeing as we're at the end of the current generation.
All i'm finding are sources that explicitely state developer fees are dropped for "XBOX LIVE ARCADE" games on the 360. So not even full retail releases.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2013/06/28/microsoft-drops-developer-patch-fees-on-xbox-360/
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...rges-developers-to-patch-their-xbox-360-games
I can see them carry this policy of free patches for indies and on the xbone, but nothing else.
As I understand, the idea of 'modding' it means allowing for user to replace / add any files in game directory with their own alterations. So the questions are:
- how can that be done on XOne - will there be any mechanism allowing to download files from the internet / USB and place them in appropriate folders?
- are there even folders in XOne file system? AFAIK, 360 used 'one big file' per game?
- will XOne check against viruses / malware?
All above makes me doubt it's going to be true modding - instead probably something like LBP for PS3, where you can download skins and full levels, to 'customise' your game. Giving complete freedom to the end-user would be against the idea of gaming console and I don't expect this to be offered by PS4 either.
- how can that be done on XOne - will there be any mechanism allowing to download files from the internet / USB and place them in appropriate folders?
- are there even folders in XOne file system? AFAIK, 360 used 'one big file' per game?
- will XOne check against viruses / malware?
All above makes me doubt it's going to be true modding - instead probably something like LBP for PS3, where you can download skins and full levels, to 'customise' your game. Giving complete freedom to the end-user would be against the idea of gaming console and I don't expect this to be offered by PS4 either.
Metalmurphy
Member
And nothing at launch.
Mate, I see this in all threads of any kind on GAF. Sony/MS/Nintendo, there will always be a minority of those that want to take a giant, steaming turd on a thread. Just need to filter it out.