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Brad Grenz
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(12-20-2013, 04:52 PM)
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Substance Engine is an algorithmic texture generation middleware and according to benchmarks published on GamingBolt the PS4 CPU is faster than the Xbox One:http://gamingbolt.com/substance-engi...s-respectively

Both systems have 8 core Jaguar based CPUs from AMD, but prior to release Microsoft was promoting the fact that their CPU was clocked higher at 1.75Ghz. The benchmarks here imply the PS4 CPU is actually running at 2Ghz in order to produce 14 MB/s versus 12 MB/s for the Xbox One. The other possibility is that these figures are for the whole CPU and not a single core as labelled. In that case it would imply PS4 is using 7 cores at 1.75Ghz versus 6 cores at the same frequency.

Since this tech is purely algorithmic on CPU and not boiund by bandwidth we can't look to the PS4's GPU or GDDR5 to explain the difference. The only logical conclusion is the PS4 has a faster CPU, despite Microsoft's protestations to the contrary.Sony has never officially disclosed the PS4's CPU clockspeed.
fastford58
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(12-20-2013, 04:53 PM)
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Oh shit....800 page thread incoming.
flkraven
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(12-20-2013, 04:54 PM)
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Wat
Ysiadmihi
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(12-20-2013, 04:55 PM)
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Originally Posted by fastford58

Oh shit....800 page thread incoming.

Both CPUs are ass. This is kind of a non-story, so I don't see much controversy.
RoboPlato
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(12-20-2013, 04:55 PM)
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I think the greater likelihood is that the PS4 has less cores reserved for the OS. GopherD said they were aiming for less than 1 core.
Zachi
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(12-20-2013, 04:56 PM)
I thought we knew this all along, PS4 CPU >> Xbone CPU
lemonade
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(12-20-2013, 04:56 PM)
If this is indeed true, is it that much of a difference?
jelly
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(12-20-2013, 04:56 PM)
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Kinect sucking one dry probably.
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(12-20-2013, 04:57 PM)
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Originally Posted by Zachi

I thought we knew this all along, PS4 CPU >> Xbone CPU

Not CPU, but GPU.
fastford58
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(12-20-2013, 04:57 PM)
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Originally Posted by Ysiadmihi

Both CPUs are ass. This is kind of a non-story, so I don't see much controversy.

Oh there will be controversy. And yes, both are ass. But as you should well know by now, console talking points generate mucho controversy for even the most menial of things.
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(12-20-2013, 04:57 PM)
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Originally Posted by fastford58

Oh shit....800 page thread incoming.

Thought we had a thread for this yesterday and it didn't get much traction
H6rdc0re
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(12-20-2013, 04:57 PM)

Originally Posted by Ysiadmihi

Both CPUs are ass. This is kind of a non-story, so I don't see much controversy.

No they're not. Core i7 is just that much overkill needed for the overhead mess that is Windows.
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(12-20-2013, 04:57 PM)
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Originally Posted by Ysiadmihi

Both CPUs are ass. This is kind of a non-story, so I don't see much controversy.

Yep, one is a little bit less shit than expected
still better than the other way around obviously

But you know how people mock the 380percent wii u sales increase as lol 3.8x 0 is still 0
this is like that but with a smaller increment
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(12-20-2013, 04:57 PM)
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cboat ass storm?
MaulerX
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Originally Posted by Zachi

I thought we knew this all along, PS4 CPU >> Xbone CPU


I think you're confusing it with the GPU.
silver5liter
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(12-20-2013, 04:58 PM)
If this were an xbox thread it would already be full of people saying bullshit.
Símon
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(12-20-2013, 04:58 PM)
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Originally Posted by RoboPlato

I think the greater likelihood is that the PS4 has less cores reserved for the OS. GopherD said they were aiming for less than 1 core.

Less than 1 core? I think it is more likely that they reserve full cores, instead of XX% of one core. So that probably means either 2 cores (like Microsoft) or 1 core... but less than one core, I don't believe that.

EDIT Oh, and I think they have reserved at least two cores. Multiple apps can run side-by-side and stuff like the microphone is also always-listening for "PlayStation [take screenshot/home screen/etc.]" commands.
Last edited by Símon; 12-20-2013 at 05:00 PM.
jaypah
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Originally Posted by Brad Grenz


Since this tech is purely algorithmic on CPU and not boiund by bandwidth we can't look to the PS4's GPU or GDDR5 to explain the difference. The only logical conclusion is the PS4 has a faster CPU, despite Microsoft's protestations to the contrary.Sony has never officially disclosed the PS4's CPU clockspeed.

I don't recall MS saying that their CPU was faster than PS4s, just that it was faster than it used to be. I think fans came up with that by using the 1.6 from the rumors/leaks. I could be wrong. Anyway, this is cool, thanks for posting.

Originally Posted by PodcastFips

cboat ass storm?

Lol everything is always the "ass storm".
TheLegendOfMart
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(12-20-2013, 04:58 PM)
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How the hell are they running 2GHz in a case so slim, I don't see it.
Nozem
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Originally Posted by Ysiadmihi

Both CPUs are ass. This is kind of a non-story, so I don't see much controversy.

Are you new to console wars? The point is not how good they are. The point is one is better than the other one.
sekrit
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(12-20-2013, 04:59 PM)
Cool. A slow mobile cpu is slightly faster than another slow mobile cpu.
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anexanhume
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XB1 has dedicated CPU cycles to interface with the secret sauce.
RoboPlato
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(12-20-2013, 04:59 PM)
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Originally Posted by Símon

Less than 1 core? I think it is more likely that they reserve full cores, instead of XX% of one core. So that probably means either 2 cores (like Microsoft) or 1 core... but less than one core, I don't believe that.

Oh yeah, I agree. I meant to say that the 7 core possibility lined out in the OP was more likely and I'm just going by what the gopher said.
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Originally Posted by H6rdc0re

No they're not. Core i7 is just that much overkill needed for the overhead mess that is Windows.

Lol, no.

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And actual results are quite strange, i7 result is quite low in comparison.
Wynnebeck
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(12-20-2013, 05:00 PM)

Originally Posted by silver5liter

If this were an xbox thread it would already be full of people saying bullshit.

Well that only took 16 posts.
PSGames
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(12-20-2013, 05:00 PM)
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Seems strange Sony wouldn't promote this. They've promoted every other tech advantage why not this.
spuit*11
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(12-20-2013, 05:00 PM)
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12 -> 14 = 6 -> 7

As in 6 to 7 of 8 available cpu cores.
Minions
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At least neither had a downgrade this time.
Neutralfanboy
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(12-20-2013, 05:00 PM)
Why didn't Sony publish the clock speed yet?
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It's possible the PS4 just has less OS overhead to deal with.
Dreams-Visions
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(12-20-2013, 05:00 PM)
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There goes the neighborhood.
Tobor
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(12-20-2013, 05:00 PM)
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The only spec Xbox One leads in is number of HDMI in's.
DMPrince
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(12-20-2013, 05:00 PM)
Don't read too much into it.
Ysiadmihi
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(12-20-2013, 05:01 PM)
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Originally Posted by Nozem

Are you new to console wars? The point is not how good they are. The point is one is better than the other one.

I'm aware. That post is just my way of bringing a little perspective into this before the fanboys are at each other's throats.
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(12-20-2013, 05:01 PM)
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Originally Posted by lemonade

If this is indeed true, is it that much of a difference?

The Xbox One CPU is faster but the PS4 CPU uses less cores but the Xbox One has SHAPE thus less audio demand but the PS4 also uses a dedicated audio hardware but move engines!
jet1911
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(12-20-2013, 05:01 PM)
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Originally Posted by TheLegendOfMart

How the hell are they running 2GHz in a case so slim, I don't see it.

Dat japanese engineering.
pswii60
(12-20-2013, 05:01 PM)
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Could this not be down to the allocated OS resources? Or the memory architecture?
Slair
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(12-20-2013, 05:02 PM)
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Originally Posted by silver5liter

If this were an xbox thread it would already be full of people saying bullshit.

Not really, it was pretty accepted around here that the xbone cpu was slightly faster than the ps4's.
Zachi
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(12-20-2013, 05:02 PM)

Originally Posted by Tobor

The only spec Xbox One leads in is number of HDMI in's.

that ........and pound per pound Xbone is actually cheaper ;-P
Wishmaster92
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(12-20-2013, 05:03 PM)
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In the end even sony had a more powerful cpu. Wow..... I deserve to eat crow for that one.
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(12-20-2013, 05:03 PM)
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Originally Posted by Nozem

Are you new to console wars? The point is not how good they are. The point is one is better than the other one.

Well that dude doesn't care haha. If it is on a console and not PC he is going to attack it. There was a PC thread that was embarrassing a few days ago....he was in there just bashing everything he didn't agree with. It was entertaining to say the least.
Símon
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(12-20-2013, 05:04 PM)
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Originally Posted by PSGames

Seems strange Sony wouldn't promote this. They've promoted every other tech advantage why not this.

They have been advertising with "The most powerful next-gen console" - and that's still going. If it weren't true, than they probably couldn't do that.

Oh, and there's a good reason not to promote the clock speed. Take Xbox One's 1.75 GHz clock speed... 'casual' customers would probably think "Only 1.75 GHz? My PC is already way above 2 GHz / my phone already has a similar clockspeed".

Sony has been advertising the CPU in a different manner. "Supercharged PC architecture", "powerful 8-core/octo-core CPU" (casual customers: eight cores?! Wow, that's quite a lot.)
dragonelite
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(12-20-2013, 05:05 PM)
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So many external variables.
Not even sure if the bench mark is per core or per cpu?
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(12-20-2013, 05:05 PM)
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Originally Posted by spuit*11

12 -> 14 = 6 -> 7

As in 6 to 7 of 8 available cpu cores.

That only works if they are both the same frequency. Also the graph says 1 CPU, but maybe they are talking about the package and not core.
B.O.O.M
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(12-20-2013, 05:06 PM)
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well that's that I guess
Brad Grenz
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(12-20-2013, 05:06 PM)
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Originally Posted by spuit*11

12 -> 14 = 6 -> 7

As in 6 to 7 of 8 available cpu cores.

Yes, but in that case it still suggests the Xbox One does not have the claimed clockspeed advantage. Both would be running at 1.75 GHz.
H6rdc0re
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(12-20-2013, 05:06 PM)
It seems the cores are running at a higher clockspeed in the PS4 because the benchmark is running on a single CPU core.
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(12-20-2013, 05:07 PM)
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Originally Posted by Neutralfanboy

Why didn't Sony publish the clock speed yet?

Because they don't want anyone to know they're on some next level 7ghz shit.
Matt
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(12-20-2013, 05:07 PM)
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Yes, you can get more out of the PS4's CPU than you can the Xbox's.

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