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Watch Da Birdie
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WARNING. The authenticity of this is unknown, however there is enough doubt it could go either way. This COULD be the final Smash 4 Roster, or part of it, and shows unrevealed characters. Leave right now if you're sensitive about spoilers.

EDIT:

CONFIRMED REAL MORE OR LESS.

WE NOW HAVE VIDEOS!







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First off, the text leak.

This came first, and was posted to Smashboards last month. It's in a members-only section, but here's the main meat of the Ninka/Vaanrose Leak as it's called:

So I got more info...
Unless my friend is pulling my leg, there's some pretty crazy crap left to be revealed.

-Snake, Lucas, Ice Climbers (Why), and Wolf are cut
-Doctor Mario is back as a clone
-Dark Pit is a newcomer as a clone
-Each character gets 8 alternate costumes, whether they be pallet swaps or new costumes.
-Alph appears as 4 of Olimar's costumes, while the other 4 are Olimar's.
-Shulk will be playable with Gaur Plains as his stage, his neutral B changes his Monado mode which essentially makes him dish more damage and take more, or do less damage, and take less.
-Bowser Jr appears as a new comer and allegedly fights from a mario kart... has no alt colors, but instead has the 7 koopalings as alts.
-Duck Hunt is in... from what I've been told it's the duck hunt dog fighting with ducks on his back who assist for certain attacks...

*Edit more info
-Shulk has like 5 different mode swaps
-Bowser Jr rides in a koopa kart that attacks with cannon balls and boxing gloves and stuff that eject from the clowns mouth. This was later specified to be the Koopa Clown Car Bowser Jr. rides in NSMB

note* The kart sounds more like the koopa clown car to me as I read it.

Now I'm not even sure from this stuff so take it with a grain of salt, but my friend recently quit as a tester due to family reasons, so if he decided he no longer cares what leaks, I could see why he'd tell me.
He was also unclear to me as to if that is the rest of the roster so also be wary.

It was posted by moderator Neo Zero, who, as proof, was PM'd pictures of a Brawl Mod that showed alternate colors for Mario and Bowser, claiming said colors would appear for real in the Smash 4 E3 Demo/Best Buy Demo. These pictures were made June 6th.

Quite a few Smashboard Mods vouched for the text rumor, but overall, it sounded a bit off. First of all, Alternate Colors wouldn't be that hard to guess, and there'salways a possibility that the person who sent the pictures had early access to the Best Buy Demo and fabricated a more detailed leak based off simply one bit of early information. There was also a rumor that Smashboard Mods made this leak up as a litmus test, posting it as a supported leak to trick would-be-leakers into exposing themselves as frauds if they included Duck Hunt Dog or Bowser Jr., but this rumor was never supported by any Smashboard Mod coming out and saying that this leak was definitely a fake.

As of yesterday, the leak took a surprising turn when very interesting pictures appeared in a 4chan thread on /v/, basically out of nowhere. They have been claimed to be an ESRB copy, however, the ESRB does not receive the games early according to their site, instead they are merely sent a video showing the game's notable moments and rate it from that. However, the theory here is that the leak comes from a Treehouse employee who took the footage and submitted it to the ESRB. Or something like that. We really don't know WHERE these images come from, and the identity of who the leaker is is still a bit blurry.

There are three waves of the picture leak, these are all the pictures and which wave they belong too...




Leak 1 was first posted to /v/, although a bit beforehand a thread popped up showing just the character icons, not the full CSS. An hour or so later, these three pictures showing the Character Select Screen appeared. The trip that posted one of these pictures, before anyone else had posted it, also later said the main missing Veterans, and Chorus Kids, were DLC (possibly released when the Wii U version comes out). A member on Smashboards later claiming to be the leaker also claimed that he only posted the CSS and the DLC Post, thus putting later pictures as belonging to a different leak.

Leak 2 was posted in the same /v/ thread, and not too long after the first batch of pictures. Because the DLC post says "my friend will stick around", and the Shulk and Dr. Mario models match the head portraits on the CSS of the first leak, it's believed that these are probably authentic as well. It shows what looks to be a Start Screen with the characters scrolling by, and the Stage Select Screen.

Leak 3 was posted LONG after the other leaks, and on GameFaqs. While the first picture looks alright, the in-game screenshot appears to simply be a Brawl Mod. It's strongly believed Leak 3 was a different person piggybacking off the original leak due to the time and location differences. I consider them to be fake.

There is also a Leak 4 right now, where a few Smashboard mods are now claiming that the Character Select Screen is authentic, but, they've offered no proof beyond their status as mods on a popular forum. Some people think this whole thing is a giant prank by Smashboards in fact, their best members working on it.

Now, I'll go over some popular speaking points for and against its legitimacy...

* Tomadachi Life: The room shown in Stage Select Screen matches a room shown just today in Famitsu in a shot of Tomadachi Life. The room has never appeared in any other shots of Tomadachi Life.

* Original Renders: Although some of the renders do resemble pre-existing renders, the models of Bowser Jr., Ness, Duck Hunt Dog, Shulk, and Dr. Mario, which we have the clearest view of, have not been found anywhere else on the net. There's a picture going around suggesting Shulk is an altered Little Mac pic, but, personally...



...it seems like a bit of a stretch.

* The "Thick Line": This actually began as an AGAINST! claim, but notice on the pic with Bowser, Bowser Jr., Pikachu, and Kirby, there are thicker lines beneath Bowser's P1 and Kirby's CPU. A mistake by the leaker, right? Not so, it's been discovered that the thicker lines occur in the actual game as seen in videos of the demo, a fact basically no one noticed till after this leak occurred and people were looking for it. Something no one noticed, and most people would see as a mistake, the "faker" managed to include.

* Character Select Oddities: Why is Yoshi stuck between the main Mario characters? Why is Shulk with the 3rd Parties when Xenoblade is technically 1st Party? Why do the new clones have their own little corner while Toon Link is with his own series? There seems to be gaps, suggesting there are more characters to be unlocked, which might shuffle around the icons and make them fit better. Also, no names. However this seems odd...anyone making a fake leak would notice the roster has names, so the lack of them is a really big omission for a faker to miss. Perhaps the names disappear after unlocking enough characters for space, or were just included for the benefit of the demo.

* Meta Knight: Such a detailed leak seems like it took some time, and it's interesting that a character model just revealed last week is here. Whoever made this leak had a small margin for error, as any new veteran reveal, or an Assist Trophy of one of the newcomers, would totally destroy it. Hell, it could've happened last night! You would imagine the leaker, if he wanted to get the most mileage out of this leak, would've leaked it on a Friday so he'd have all weekend as a safe zone.

* Duck Hunt Dog: Such an odd character...people joked about using him since the Melee days, but no one ever seemed to seriously consider him. He certainly fits the rumored "Retro Revival" character that Sakurai supposedly wanted to include. Furthermore, like Villager, in Brawl Sakurai mentioned the prospect of Nintendog being a fighter but decided against it...perhaps he found that the original Nintendog would work even better?

* Dark Pit: Dark Pit made a mysterious appearance at the end of the Palutena Trailer, but was not elaborated on. A Boss? An Assist Trophy? A simple alt for Pit? Well, this leak suggests he's like Lucina, a quick clone character, which means he'd be the first Newcomer to actually appear in a trailer before his official debut.

* Doctor Mario: Out of all the Melee cuts, why bring back him? Roy just got a new design in Awakening, Pichu had a few promotions not too long ago thanks to HG/SS, and Mewtwo got a new movie and Mega Form. But then it hit me...since Brawl, Dr. Mario has had appearances in multiple digital download games like Dr. Mario RX and NES Remix. Could he be returning to represent the "EShop" portion of Nintendo? Furthermore, with Mario having F.L.U.D.D. now and Luigi changing up, Dr. Mario could serve as the closest version to the original Smash Mario now.

* Shulk: Gematsu mentioned him, and he seemed like a good choice. He's got a new game (well, his series, we don't know if he appears) being advertised, and the one Monolithsoft guy has been repeatedly re-tweeting any Nintendo Directs with Smash, including the day we got Robin and Lucina, as if he's expecting someone to appear...fake or not, I think Shulk's in.

* The Stages: Although the Stage Selection Screen might not be part of the original, authentic leak, it does seem a bit...off. The only new stages shown are the full shot of N's Castle, an F-Zero stage that seems to just use the SNES game as a background, the GB Stage hinted at the other day which seems to be based on Kirby's Dream Land, and what seems to be Magicant from Mother and Gaur Plains from Xenoblade. Many series don't get new stages, a lot are just pulled from Melee and Brawl like Jungle Japes and Corneria. Then again, we've yet to see a new DK or Metroid Stage in the 3DS Version, while Jungle Japes and Brinstar, which was just confirmed yesterday when this leak was post, have been confirmed to be in the 3DS Version. Jungle Japes also appears in Classic Mode, where in Melee and Brawl Classic Mode never used retro stages iirc, suggesting the Retro Stages in Smash 4 are going to be the "main stages" for some franchises.
Last edited by Watch Da Birdie; 08-25-2014 at 04:49 PM.
Ibrahim
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(08-20-2014, 05:54 PM)
Jigglypuff!!!
Toki767
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Why is that dog from Duck Hunt there?
Ultima_5
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seems fishy

duck hunt dog would be neat

and i'm surprised they don't have sceptile. (fire starter = charizard, water = frog guy from x/y, grass from up coming game)

we shall see
Slixshot
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There's no way. I mean... There's just no way...
ViewtifulJC
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(08-20-2014, 05:55 PM)
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is that really the dog from Duck Hunt...
Volotaire
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(08-20-2014, 05:56 PM)
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Ignore.
Aeriscloud
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Fake.
Recall
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The game has has too many fake leaks for me to take this all too seriously.
civilstrife
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Nice OP. Glad there's a new thread for this.

#teamreal
L~A
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Looks fake as sh*t. Seriously.
Sn4ke_911
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(08-20-2014, 05:56 PM)
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SNAKE???!

Oh god please be true.
Beelzebufo
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Originally Posted by L~A

Looks fake as sh*t. Seriously.

No it doesn't. Seriously.
atr0cious
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(08-20-2014, 05:57 PM)
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If Doctor Mario is back, I don't care what else is in this game.
Joey Ravn
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Originally Posted by Ultima_5

seems fishy

Sam Fisher confirmed?
Nugg
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The dog from Duck Hunt turns this into an instant buy for me.
puffyshirt
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Sounds fake. But I'll be pretty happy if it's real!
Mariolee
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On top of what was already posted: Wario is obviously from a Subspace Emmisary cutscene, same with Falco except slightly edited, clipping in the stage select screen, ontop of many things.

Definitely fake and already discussed to death in the Smash thread.

But I'm going to look like a gigantic ass if this is real. Hi Future GAF!

Edit: Oops looks like you already mentioned the stage select screen.
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Originally Posted by ViewtifulJC

is that really the dog from Duck Hunt...

Pretty sure the portrait on the char select is Rusty from Rusty's Real Deal baseball and not the Duck Hunt dog. Calling bullshit on these.
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Originally Posted by atr0cious

If Doctor Mario is back, I don't care what else is in this game.

Yup I'm would love to have the Doc back, I mained him back during the Melee days.
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No Ghirahim? I am dissapoint.
zroid
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damn it WDB
CreeperBlocks
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is that Dark Pit?, and they got rid of Lucas it seems( Oh He's DLC didn't see that)


what's weird is the Dog from Duck Hunt.. Why?
sixteen-bit
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Originally Posted by Toki767

Why is that dog from Duck Hunt there?

LiK
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Most likely fake
DryvBy
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Originally Posted by Toki767

Why is that dog from Duck Hunt there?

Mind fuuuuuuuu
Beelzebufo
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Originally Posted by Squishy3

Pretty sure it's Rusty from Rusty's Real Deal baseball. Calling bullshit on these until proven otherwise.

The character is called "Duck Hunt" haha
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KING K ROOL RIP ;_;
but people have wanted duck hunt dogs since brawl so do it Sakurai

dark pit/Pitto/Pitoo is a zzzzzz waste
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Yes! if that's Duck Hunt dog.
Goon Boon
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Wario's nose is getting picked by G&W.
Hugstable
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Am I crazy for wanting Captain Toad or any Toad as a fighter! Why can't we battle Toads!
DNAbro
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#TeamReal
Zalman
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Can't believe this blew up so much.
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Wifi has been 'Disablad'
Off-Kilter
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If it's a fake, it's a lot of work for a fake
MLH
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These screens are fake, the Dr. Mario model can be found here:

http://fantendo.wikia.com/wiki/Dr._Mario

(slight photoshoped differences)

Also I'm pretty sure Dark Pit is a re-colour of Pit, not a unique character.
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Game of forever if the leak turns out to be true and Doge from Duck Hunt is real.
JasonMCG
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I will main with Duck Hunt Dog.
daydreaming
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Tssk, they'd never cut Ice Climbers. Right, guys?

Guys?
civilstrife
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There's like 5 never before seen character renders in that.

If it's fake, it took a hell of a lot of work.
Jaeger
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Fake. Doesn't make it any more real because it came along with copy-pasta.
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I want this to be real if only because I really really want to play as duck hunt dog

I'd just spam his taunt every two seconds
Baron von Loathsome
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The good thing about this leak is that it can be made or broken by the next character reveal, or even sooner than that.

Although I take issue with Ice Climbers being DLC and although Bowser Jr. being playable somehow rubs me the wrong way, I overall like this roster.

I'm not taking a real or fake stance on this leak until the next character reveal.
atr0cious
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Duck Hunt Dog would make sense in a classic video game figures kind of way. My NES only had the Duck Hunt/ Mario Bros combo, and I played that more than SMB. Duck Hunt Dog vs PacMan would be more iconic for me.
Mariolee
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Also, in the Smash 4 trailer for Pac Man, Game & Watch has no outline. Here he does.
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It's fake as this screams as a fan wish list but with a photo shop imaged to boot.
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i'd be ok with this. sad to lose ice climbers at the start but never used them seriously anyway.

i wonder if the DLC would be free or paid?
ViewtifulJC
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(08-20-2014, 06:01 PM)
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Yo I would main the fuck out of Duck Hunt Dog

Sakurai/"female designer" pls
Nibel
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After the Palutena thing I'm very confused about this.
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Originally Posted by daydreaming

Tssk, they'd never cut Ice Climbers. Right, guys?

Guys?

3DS holding back ice climbers x chorus men

or why charazard replaced pokemone trainer

inferior version ;) :P but will import if the region thing is true, i wanna play it now

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