IncandescentPrecept
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While it's an increase, we don't really know why there was increase. It could be that they put in a lot more people on the game, there were changes mid-development, etc.
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NPD Sales Results for January 2014 [Up3: PS4/XB1 #1/#2 best selling; Poke/SM3DW/ALBW]
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While it's an increase, we don't really know why there was increase. It could be that they put in a lot more people on the game, there were changes mid-development, etc.
xaosslug
Member
seems like a bit of 'deflection' - peeps are shifting attention away from xbone's bad sales and making the headline about the overall market folding in on itself. LOL
I just don't see DD sales taking off right now for 2 reasons. First pricing is more expensive or the same as retail with out a physical disc to resell. The other is many just saw there PS3 and 360 DD library become meaningless with out BC. Make people much more hesitant to buy DD right now.
lol probably a tim dog alt account.
Whoa whoa, take it easy buddy. That was a joke. I understand what s/he was trying to say.
Edit: actually, if it is not a next gen from tech perspective and does not get most big next gen games, then it should not expect next gen sells.
I don't know if it's doom and gloom as much as "wow the market for those consoles is dying fast." Although it shouldn't be too surprising given that anyone who still wanted them could have bought them on sale this past Christmas.
Japanmanx3
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Yaaaaassss. They shall deliver moist tears full of NaCL and dying dreams...legendary.
rokkerkory
Member
Bad economy... high console prices... high game prices = stagnant sales
IncandescentPrecept
Banned
No idea really. People are expecting consoles that haven't had a price drop in years to be selling as much as they were before their successors were released.
If Microsoft is making profit on the X1 it donest matter what the PS4 does.
outunderthestars
Banned
Sony was talking about their high digital game sales numbers the other day. Even a backwards company like Nintendo gets about 10% of sales through their DD stores.
It is because at least for another year publishers will depend on gen 7 sales to stay in the black. If gen 7 sales fall off the cliff it could be a blood bath this fall for publishers who won't have gen 7 sales to lean on.
MetalGuardian
Banned
Haha, I like that explanation, but surely there is a more "standardized" way to read these numbers, right?
I want to get good at NPDs!
Oh man, his/her meltdown it's making my night xD
Saint Gregory
Member
These games are heavily front-loaded but I was really interested in how it would do. So far it's the closest example of the type of late, full price ports that also bombed hard on Wii U, but TR has clear technical improvements over the original release.
This could stop more last gen up-ports before they begin.
dragonbane
Member
Well we definitely know for a fact that ND is growing at a steady rate. Even with multiple teams the general team size likely increased as well. More people working on a game = higher budget
MS will have to make expensive moves if this keeps up and that will obviously eat into the profits of a division that is already being questioned by investors.
There are LESS packaged games being made, LESS risks being taken by all major publishers, and all numbers are pretty shit. The is a looming contraction in all traditional gaming markets and much as last generation there will be job loss. This also won't be the first generation in history where developer costs don't rise, for those that preach that line of thinking. And outside the time when the fire sales begin, the ps360 likely can't be cost reduced enough to sell for 99 bucks. None of the new consoles can be cost reduced without taking further losses and 2/3 of them are selling like shit. Kids are not playing as much on traditional devices (Nintendo barely being a factor doesn't help here as AAA is almost solely focused on 16-30 year old males) and this means the contraction will continue to worsen over time. And the idustry is healthy? Not even close
Closer to 30-35% overall I believe. I think it's roughly 25-30% for PlayStation though.
I thought that was last year with Wii U?
pieatorium
Member
would be ever so nice to know 3ds/vita numbers
Software & services don't matter at all, right.
gundamkyoukai
Member
I won't say that certain games are more effect by DD than others and the market is growing on console .
For eg this gen i will be buying all my fighting games on DD and i sure good amount of fighting games fan like that also .
Even if we only make up 20% or 25% and a game sells 250 ,000 that is 50,000 ( $3 million ) and that data is missing from NPD .
They say they are, but looking at their marketing and NFL deal and TitanFall money bags and buying up Gears, I don't think they are in making money just yet.
It'll be interesting if Japan actually DOES take to the PS4 unlike the last generation of consoles, and so it's more relevant to develop for consoles than it has been for a long, long time. Granted they'd also need mid tier games that appealed worldwide, but if the bottom really does fall out for AAA gaming (or budgets get so big that the large base can't support it anymore) there might be a vacuum left to fill to some extent.
Wonder what the best selling games of the 8-bit and 16-bit generations were actually...
dragonbane
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Sounds about right for PS and their games. Beyond was 20% US and 80% the rest for example. So 25-30 makes sense as an average.sörine;100751717 said:
The lack of logic in this disturb me. Those who own gen 7 consoles will not suddenly abandon their console if they haven't purchased gen 8 console. And even if they have bought gen 8 console, some won't necessarily stop buying gen 7 games yet. Some people will still buy Dark Souls 2, South Park, Persona 5 and other gen 7 games despite owning PS4 or Xbone. Just because the console sales go down, it doesn't mean it'll be the case for individual softwares. And looking at software sales data, many of gen 7 games are still outselling the gen 8 games.
Aquamarine
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I'm actually kind of surprised by this... I thought it'd be lower for some reason.
@Aqua/cream Any numbers for the 3DS/Vita? Really want to know about both, especially the 3DS.
That's what I thought. Thanks.
And lo the prophet didst speak and bestoweth upon us the #truthfact. Praise be to you O famous one.
I think Japan's looking towards the west primairily to make PS4/X1 a success. If one or both falter here I sort of wonder how that impacts development plans for Capcom, Sega, Konami, Square Enix and Namco Bandai then? They're all already looking pretty lukewarm on supporting the systems outside SE.
If they are making a profit why do they have to make moves?
What? Profit is all that matters.
I dont know if they are or not. I am just saying if they are making a profit on the X1 then it doesnt matter if the PS4 is far ahead or not.
Well considering only 1 title had over 100k sales on a platform this month I would say it is already happening. New console sales lead to new software sales.
NullPointer
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If so MS has absolutely nobody to blame besides themselves. They sure know how to ruin a good thing.
Man-is-Obsolete
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Then explain how Fire Emblem opened with 63,000 sales digitally with no discount, and if you lose the system it's gone forever? Why do PC games have such a large amount of players online when retail sales aren't even worth tracking and most stores have stopped carrying them?
I think people are more willing to buy digitally than you think. Going to the store to buy games has become a hassle for many people, and it is just easier to click download and be done. I know for a fact Tomb Raider was hard to find at retailers, Best Buy near me didn't even stock it. Game Stop got like 6 copies. So instead of hunting it down it would have been easier just to download it. I just think people are really understating the digital side of things. Buying things digita;ly is quick, easy, always in stock, and doesn't require you to leave the house (you can even buy PSN codes from Amazon).
I thought that was just me but yeah I've yet to see it for either console at my Target, I'm sure I could walk into a gamestop (yuk) and find one but a big retailer not having it on hand is bizarre.
theprodigy
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When did NPD start compiling multiplatform games together anyway?
You are correct. The Kinect was the best and worst thing to happen to MS. It helped push the 360 a few extra years. But they got addicted to chasing the casual money leading to the 499.99 Xbone with Kinect. It was just not smart to chase the casual money so quickly unless the price point was going to be Wii like.
Or maybe there's just no gen 7 software that people are genuinely interested in for this month? Most of those games were already out for months.
CadetMahoney
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Good to see the predictions most of us made many months ago even before PS4 released that Microsoft will only have North America as it's strongest market and lose every other market in one fell swoop.
Even in North America it will be a complete disaster compared to 360 marketshare now playing a distant second for the entirety of this gen.
Can't wait for 3rd parties to completely ignore the considerably weaker platform and no need to go for parity holding back PS4/PC.
Aquamarine
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1) Call of Duty Ghosts: ~0.33 million
2) NBA 2K14
3) Battlefield 4: (somewhere less than 0.22 milllion)
4) Assassin's Creed IV: (somewhere less than 0.22 million)
5) Grand Theft Auto V: ~0.17 million
6) Madden NFL 25: ~0.15 million
7) Minecraft
8) FIFA 14
9) LEGO Marvel Super Heroes
10) Tomb Raider 2013
Definitive Edition: <0.085 million (Creamsugar)
XX) Wii Fit U: <0.020 million (Creamsugar)
If you are not sure that they are making money, then your conjecture (that they don't need to do anything) falls apart. Conversely, none of us know how the numbers look from MS perspective. So there is that...
I personally don't believe there is a decline in "core" gaming, just a shift in market. When the Wii launched Steam wasn't a thing. Steam is easily replacing the lost market share the Wii gave up. Plus this market share is more important for "core" gaming anyway since Steam is for gamers. If anything, Steam + PS4 + XB1 will keep pace with the numbers of Wii + PS3 + 360. Though I don't consider any loss of Wii sales a contraction in the type of games I care about.
Man-is-Obsolete
Member
Oh boy now you are bringing out the conspiracy nut in all of us. They probably do want us to think the market is in decline, digital sales are meaningless, and there is growing need to change their business model to make games more accessible and offer more things behind microtransactions to "expand or enhance" that experience.
Pre-ordering from amazon or other online retailers almost as easy and you can sell off when finished with it. Also many games are discounted by online retailers on pre-orders saving even more money. Then add in the couple a times a year buy 2 get 1 free deals from retailers including target at the PS4 launch.
PC is completely different your purchases don't become useless when you buy a new PC thanks to BC.
Dragon Puncher
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Oh god... He keeps saying that Sony is lying, because Xbox sold more software, but doesn't understand that MS is spinning that software number harder than Crash Bandicoot.