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Ryse Dev: Resolution not the only factor that determines if a game looks good or not
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Always-honest
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We all know.
And for what it's worth, Ryse looks good for the launchgame it is. Really good.
And for what it's worth, Ryse looks good for the launchgame it is. Really good.
Marvel
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Team Filler
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I guess if you're looking for a more passive experience in your games, I could understand that.
It's a good post but when you're talking about console gaming you have to consider large TVs. 720P is not a good resolution in this case. It's simply not good enough.
Try the Durante mod for Dark Souls and you will see how much detail you were missing due to resolution.
Lower the res, the better it looks.
Ouch.
Xenon
Member
I admit it's disjointed at first, but after putting some time in I grew to enjoy Ryse's combat. But I have always enjoyed games that require learning new techniques even if they are a bit unpolished.
Someone hasn't played the game on the highest difficulty.
So what do you suggest? Going back to CRTs or hope and wait for OLED? Display tech went the cheap LCD route and thats what all games devs have to deal with, as the majority of gamers play on those panels and mostly on the cheapest ones. I wonder how many of them are actually correctly calibrated. A backlit display will never achieve true blacks, LCD holdtype will never allow lagfree experiences, so the focus has to be on what is the most visible and thats overall graphics. Native resolution is the first thing that enables a crisp image regardless of good or bad graphics. LCD have fixed native resolutions and only the most expensive panels offer some decent scaling tech, so you cant really blame the masses if they rate resolution higher than us enthusiasts.
His "Partner Studio Manager, Xbox at Microsoft" on LinkedIn is also quite a clue he doesn't work for Crytek. He is just the Microsoft side producer.
Team Filler
Member
I agree. I see no reason for apple to keep pushing retina display so hard.
Pjsprojects
Member
Ryse looks fantastic but you really think it's a better looking game than Killzone?
I'm not so sure.
This is so not what it's about
The opposite isn't sure either.
KillerDark
Member
Duh? Who said resolution was the only thing that matters? Pretty sure no one has ever said that haha
BrokenIcarus
Member
Duh, resolution is completely scalable, hell I can play games from 10yrs ago in 4K if I wanted to and they still wouldn't look as good as Ryse or KZSF.
The point is that most people want the native resolution of their screen to avoid scaling artifacts.
There's a difference between Image Quality and how good the game actually looks.
Most people prefer to have both.
The point is that most people want the native resolution of their screen to avoid scaling artifacts.
There's a difference between Image Quality and how good the game actually looks.
Most people prefer to have both.
electroshockwave
Member
Nice strawman there. Nobody has said that resolution is the only factor in deciding if a game looks good. But it is a factor and the fact that Ryse is 900p with sub 30fps framerate (dipping into the teens) shows the cost of getting Ryse to look the way it does on XBOne.
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Forgivable. CryTek got Ryse to looks this good, on new hardware for launch which will remain as a visual showcase of what can be achieved on XB One.
This is probably the closest compare.
http://i3.minus.com/ibybkwR3z4UVRT.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/SjlL3wA.jpg
JetBlackPanda
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Remember last gen when a few frames here and there really mattered. Yeah. Me too. The industry made a point in most reviews to even state stuff like "grab this one on Xbox" it's the best version.
It's not going away Microsoft. We understand it's not just resolution. That's the problem.
It's not going away Microsoft. We understand it's not just resolution. That's the problem.
cripterion
Member
I loved Ryse but after clearing the campaign and didn't feel the urge to come back it. They need to make a more fleshed out campaign if they do a sequel.
Had no complaints about the visuals of the game as opposed to something like DR3 who made my eyes bleed right after popping the game, Ryse was and still is a gorgeous game.
Had no complaints about the visuals of the game as opposed to something like DR3 who made my eyes bleed right after popping the game, Ryse was and still is a gorgeous game.
R3TRODYCE
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In my humble opinion, yes. I think KZSF looks great too and I took loads of screens and videos using the share button that I still go through from time to time so it's no graphical slouch.
ThoseDeafMutes
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People getting angry in this thread, apparently.
SEGAvangelist
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He was Creative Director for it. Told me it was one of his games when he personally emailed me my Day One content codes. Awesome guy. And yes, I believe MS owns the Ryse IP.
0coolclimate0
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Doesn't this somewhat contradict their last post? I agree though, in one way, FPS, graphics, resolution and story
make for a good game. But when you're missing multiple elements, well what defines a game then besides really bad PR?
For me at least story matters
I have a list about a mile long, but there's dramatic issues with enemy variety, with absurdly obvious telegraphing of moves no matter how hard you play on, with the lame executions that have no skill requirement, with variety of gameplay opportunities in general. Awful actual combat mechanics. It's just a slog, I found. To be fair to the idea though I have not beat the game yet, since I only get to play it an hour here and an hour there whenever I go over my friend's house.
The graphics are really the only reason I keep loading it up. Game is damn amazing to look at at time's lol
nelsonroyale
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That is definitely true. I mean Ryse is obviously far better looking than say CoD on PS4 at 1080p. Doesn't change the fact that it would have had better IQ at 1080p. IQ on the game looks a bit blurry to me, although its not a big issue. Anyway, to me it looks like the second best looking next gen game so far (after KZ). It is Crytek so it is no surprise really.
eso76
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While he's stating the obvious, reading neogaf front page you'd think otherwise 
People get so invested in resolution talk because, unlike most other aspects few people really have the knowledge to discuss, it's one tech spec you can easily quantify and compare between consoles.
yeah, i don't know in Ryse's case actually. Part of its looking great is the soft and almost 100% jag free IQ and i'm not sure the game would have looked as good in 1080p, especially not un-heavily-antialiased 1080p
People get so invested in resolution talk because, unlike most other aspects few people really have the knowledge to discuss, it's one tech spec you can easily quantify and compare between consoles.
yeah, i don't know in Ryse's case actually. Part of its looking great is the soft and almost 100% jag free IQ and i'm not sure the game would have looked as good in 1080p, especially not un-heavily-antialiased 1080p
0coolclimate0
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cripterion
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While he's stating the obvious, reading neogaf front page you'd think otherwise
People get so invested in resolution talk because, unlike most other aspects few people really have the knowledge to discuss, it's one tech spec you can easily quantify and compare between consoles.
Haha, I actually think deep down most of GAF users should be pc gamers as the thing that keeps popping back over and over in threads is resolution talk and framerate.
Chobel
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Cool, it means MS can make sequel with another studio.
Haha, that would be impossible if they want to keep the same level of visual detail.
Always-honest
Banned
I think they are really good at what they do. Most Xboxone games right now don't come close.
I expected PS4 level graphics this gen. And i must say, for the first time graphics, performance and iQ are getting to a point where i'm satisfied.
Clean graphics, great textures, 1080p, great effects, great art where artists aren't limited, great dof, etc. The only real hurdle seems to be framerate right now.
This will be a great gen on PS4.
But they have proven that with enough talent and recources games can look great on 900p too. So that might be some good news for first party XboxOne games.
I expected PS4 level graphics this gen. And i must say, for the first time graphics, performance and iQ are getting to a point where i'm satisfied.
Clean graphics, great textures, 1080p, great effects, great art where artists aren't limited, great dof, etc. The only real hurdle seems to be framerate right now.
This will be a great gen on PS4.
But they have proven that with enough talent and recources games can look great on 900p too. So that might be some good news for first party XboxOne games.
electroshockwave
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Who's getting angry?
abstract alien
Member
I wish more people would realize this.
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
A true statement that will be used disingenuously in arguments about why it doesn't matter that X1 is weaker than its cheaper competitor.
The resolution issue doesn't ultimately matter for exclusives, as you don't have any other choice. It's concerning multiplats, that are otherwise equal, where this statement of fact is irrelevant.
The resolution issue doesn't ultimately matter for exclusives, as you don't have any other choice. It's concerning multiplats, that are otherwise equal, where this statement of fact is irrelevant.
SEGAvangelist
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I want Crytek back. They have the Darksiders guys there now. A sequel with Zelda type elements could be amazing.
High metacritic scores make games so much more fun.
3rdamention
Member
Well, resolution is NOT the only factor that determines if a game looks good, so he is right. But it is important in making a good game look better, sharper, clearer. However, I wonder if he would have said this, or even been in the position to talk about it, if Ryse was native 1080p.