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True Detective - McConaughey/Harrelson crime series - S2 starts June 21st

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Sun Drugs

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I am rewatching the scene in episode 2 where Rusty sees the birds at the church and this is the dialog that follows:

Cop: "You're saying you were hallucinating on the job?"
Rusty: "No, I could always tell what was real and what wasn't. So when I'd see things, I'd just roll with it."

Kind of a weird way to answer that question. Had been trying to figure out what this would mean, until I realized I'm grasping at straws here.
 
I am rewatching the scene in episode 2 where Rusty sees the birds at the church and this is the dialog that follows:

Cop: "You're saying you were hallucinating on the job?"
Rusty: "No, I could always tell what was real and what wasn't. So when I'd see things, I'd just roll with it."

Kind of a weird way to answer that question. Had been trying to figure out what this would mean, until I realized I'm grasping at straws here.

It could be a number of things.

1) It makes his whole story unreliable narrative to both the detectives and to us the viewers
2) He's stepping across a realm in which the two are melding
3)It's another indicator that he's in denial
4) It's merely to put the viewers on edge and contribute to the whole ethereal aspect of the show.
 

Dead Man

Member
I am rewatching the scene in episode 2 where Rusty sees the birds at the church and this is the dialog that follows:

Cop: "You're saying you were hallucinating on the job?"
Rusty: "No, I could always tell what was real and what wasn't. So when I'd see things, I'd just roll with it."

Kind of a weird way to answer that question. Had been trying to figure out what this would mean, until I realized I'm grasping at straws here.

A hallucination is something you see that you think is real.
 

Fjordson

Member
I am rewatching the scene in episode 2 where Rusty sees the birds at the church and this is the dialog that follows:

Cop: "You're saying you were hallucinating on the job?"
Rusty: "No, I could always tell what was real and what wasn't. So when I'd see things, I'd just roll with it."

Kind of a weird way to answer that question. Had been trying to figure out what this would mean, until I realized I'm grasping at straws here.
I think he was just pointing out that he could tell the difference between reality and the "things" he was seeing. As Dead Man said, some people can't separate between the two, but Rust obviously did.
 
I am rewatching the scene in episode 2 where Rusty sees the birds at the church and this is the dialog that follows:

Cop: "You're saying you were hallucinating on the job?"
Rusty: "No, I could always tell what was real and what wasn't. So when I'd see things, I'd just roll with it."

Kind of a weird way to answer that question. Had been trying to figure out what this would mean, until I realized I'm grasping at straws here.

It means that he saw things that he knew weren't real, so he just kept on doing his job.

Like, if you're walking around, and you see a giant pink bunny no one else can see. After a few years, it becomes background noise. You stop caring that it's there. You know it's not real, so it doesn't bother you anymore. You know what is here, real, and what is in your head.
 
I'm getting a huge Lovecraft vibe from this whole show.

When Cole goes to talk to the man about his missing son, the man says, "My wife said she could hear him in her dreams, calling to her from under the water."
 

kirblar

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I think he was just pointing out that he could tell the difference between reality and the "things" he was seeing. As Dead Man said, some people can't separate between the two, but Rust obviously did.
John Nash (guy from A Beautiful Mind) eventually learned to tell the difference.
 
They're able to pump out American horror story in a year.

AHS has a full writer's room, reuses most of its cast season-to-season, and is precommissioned with an intended air date in mind.

but even before Maggie comes on to Rust and has sex with him, Rust seems really annoyed and stand offish with Marty.

Marty hates to be wrong or to have anything that's unusual, weird, out-of-place ever be pointed out, because he's so intensely invested in normality.

Rust loves picking at shit like a scab.

When Rust gets the hint that they missed something in the Lange case, he can't wait to go overturning rocks and digging back in, but that just makes Marty mad, which makes Rust -- who relies on Marty's support because everyone else in the department hates him -- furious.
 

Mononoke

Banned
I just hope it's played straight. I don't want any twists or shockers. Would prefer if the Yellow King or Scarred Face man (assuming they are the same), is someone we don't know. I get that there is elements that need to be tied up and there is probably more people involved in covering it up (or at least possibly). But I'd rather have the end played straight vs. being a shocker.

The show is called True Detective. So I can't imagine them deviating away towards cliche mystery tropes.
 

Dead Man

Member
I just hope it's played straight. I don't want any twists or shockers. Would prefer if the Yellow King or Scarred Face man (assuming they are the same), is someone we don't know. I get that there is elements that need to be tied up and there is probably more people involved in covering it up (or at least possibly). But I'd rather have the end played straight vs. being a shocker.

Same. Don't mid some revelations about people, but I want the Yellow King and/or the Giant to not be characters we have met,
 

Carbonox

Member
Btw, if anyone cares, Killer Joe is on HBO Go. So far it's pretty creepy.

I have every intention on seeing this and Mud now that True Detective's sold me on McConaughey's chops since he stopped doing shitty romcom stuff. This show's single-handedly made me a fan of his. :lol Not that I ever hated him before but just never regarded him as capable of this kind of work. Glad I'm wrong. So glad.
 

Dennis

Banned
I just hope it's played straight. I don't want any twists or shockers. Would prefer if the Yellow King or Scarred Face man (assuming they are the same), is someone we don't know. I get that there is elements that need to be tied up and there is probably more people involved in covering it up (or at least possibly). But I'd rather have the end played straight vs. being a shocker.

The show is called True Detective. So I can't imagine them deviating away towards cliche mystery tropes.

Fingers crossed for CGI tentacles in the last episode.
 

Moff

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Full of action is a great exaggeration. As I remember it, the first half of the episode is a combination of the interviews, cop work, Rust's introduction of his plan, stealing drugs and making them. The second half gets going after Rust walks out on Maggie at the diner. Then we're off on the trip to the biker bar and party in the back. These parts are still what I'd consider gritty, and based on video reviews and comments from elsewhere, a show about biker gangs, Sons of Anarchy, doesn't apparently hit the same mark in comparative situations.

I don't understand how what transpired at the very end of the episode turned the show into something that can be described as action heavy. When they get to the project, yes, it's action, a contained 7 minute sequence. It wasn't the majority of the episodes run time. And it isn't the 2nd or 3rd bit of action that has been peppered throughout the episode. General episodes of CSI are comparable? I've never heard anyone speak that highly of that show in the entirety of its existence.

Additionally, from Rust and Marty's interviews, the big shootout, what we thought we were leading up in episode 5 was a lie. What actually happened makes for great gifs, but remains a blunt, abrupt resolution to the capture of the would be criminals.

I think that what happens at the end of episode 4 is absolutely appropriate and needed to be shown. We needed to see the undercover work that Rust has talked about and like I mentioned in another thread, we see it contrasted with Marty who's completely out of his element because he can't dress the part or even act it.
I agree, I did exagerate, not the whole episode was action focused, but I didnt like the whole biker trip in general, it felt out of place. and I dont agree that cohles undercover skills needed to be shown, I think not everything needs to be shown, a lot can and should be left to the imagination, and I thought thats something true detectice shared with me.
the 7 minute shot was impressive but I couldnt help to think "wow, now they need to show us what a badass cop cohle is?" the whole time.
what makes it worse is that its actually a completely unneccessary story arc that has pretty much nothing to do with the case. it just didnt fit and felt forced, its the one odd episode in the season.
 
I just hope it's played straight. I don't want any twists or shockers. Would prefer if the Yellow King or Scarred Face man (assuming they are the same), is someone we don't know. I get that there is elements that need to be tied up and there is probably more people involved in covering it up (or at least possibly). But I'd rather have the end played straight vs. being a shocker.

The show is called True Detective. So I can't imagine them deviating away towards cliche mystery tropes.

I get the feeling we're going to see Rust putting folk down since the episodes have all been showing us his disillusionment with the law and the force. He seems the type to put people to sleep without sounding the alarms.

What was the line from another episode?

The world needs bad men. We keep the other bad men from the door.

Here's a guy who mostly kept it straight watching everything around him crumble. I think that line means more and the upcoming episodes will show us.
 

Chuckie

Member
This show is ridiculous, basically The Walking Dead level of overacting.

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Sorry had to :p
 
Had a few people mention this to me and thought Id check it out.
Going to wait till the weekend when I see my gf but I just wanted to know how you would describe it in a nuthshell? At least without spoiling it?

Is it episode to episode crime detective stuff?
 

Dead Man

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Had a few people mention this to me and thought Id check it out.
Going to wait till the weekend when I see my gf but I just wanted to know how you would describe it in a nuthshell? At least without spoiling it?

Is it episode to episode crime detective stuff?

It is an 8 episode character study about two detectives and their relationship with each other and a particular crime. I guess? Certainly not crime of the week stuff.
 

Futureman

Member
I think I heard a friend say this will only be one season... Is that true? If so I might actually watch it. I can't stand shows that go 6+ seasons.
 

ElFly

Member
I just hope it's played straight. I don't want any twists or shockers. Would prefer if the Yellow King or Scarred Face man (assuming they are the same), is someone we don't know. I get that there is elements that need to be tied up and there is probably more people involved in covering it up (or at least possibly). But I'd rather have the end played straight vs. being a shocker.

The show is called True Detective. So I can't imagine them deviating away towards cliche mystery tropes.

IIRC from some interviews earlier, the writer is not interested in creating the greatest serial killer, or having the best plot twist.

But that doesn't mean he won't play fair to the audience. The yellow king will be someone we saw in the first four (five worst case, as it is where Rust' flashback ends) episodes, and more probably someone from the first two.

The dude has used foreshadowing efficiently through the show, he isn't going to throw away this tool for the ending.
 
It is an 8 episode character study about two detectives and their relationship with each other and a particular crime. I guess? Certainly not crime of the week stuff.

Ok that helps! My gfs dad is into all the crime/detective stuff and as im heading their this weekend I was going to try and get them to watch it.
 

Tom_Cody

Member
I think there's an issue with starting from one premise ("Does the show have a problem?") and then jumping in to answer a question about a different one ("Does the show have this one specific, really bad problem?")

I don't think True Detective is "misogynist" in the most strongly-held sense; it doesn't make an effort to strongly advance a fundamentally sexist worldview or encourage the audience to positively identify with the violence that happens against women. I don't think it's correct to read the things Marty (who is a misogynist) says as authorial voice, the same way it's not right to read Rust's nihilist philosophy as being the objective meaning of the show.

I do think it has a fairly significant problem with the way women are written relative to men, which arises from a variety of causes (gender-biased premise of sexual murders against nameless women; generic HBO boobie shots; general poor writing of supporting characters; insufficient deconstruction of sexist noir tropes; what seems like trouble constructing good dialogue for women on Pizzolato's part; etc.) and leaves gender as an unfortunate low point in a generally good show.

For his part, Pizzolato seems to get why there's an issue and his comments make it sound like he'll be addressing it in S2, so we'll see how that works out.
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It sounds like you want the show to be a women's studies paper.

You are holding it to an impossibly high standard.
 

wenis

Registered for GAF on September 11, 2001.
Stop motion or bust!
The final episode is just an hour long love letter to Ray Harryhausen and heavy metal. Cohle on an LSD/Meth binge goes into a fantasy land where he kills the yellow king, Cthulhu and all sorts of creatures and saves the souls of the state and those lost in the killings of the real world.
 

666

Banned
Do any scenes in particular spring to mind?

McConnaughy pretty much all of EP 6. And Woody. just so... Acty. I get its based off theatre but its bugging me. And the FHUTA moment with woody and another impossibly cute young girl was just gratuitous and corny. Shame, the story's kind of interesting. I hope it's not all just building to MM being the Yellow King or some shit.
 

Blader

Member
McConnaughy pretty much all of EP 6. And Woody. just so... Acty. I get its based off theatre but its bugging me. And the FHUTA moment with woody and another impossibly cute young girl was just gratuitous and corny. Shame, the story's kind of interesting. I hope it's not all just building to MM being the Yellow King or some shit.

It's not?
 

Lashley

Why does he wear the mask!?
McConnaughy pretty much all of EP 6. And Woody. just so... Acty. I get its based off theatre but its bugging me. And the FHUTA moment with woody and another impossibly cute young girl was just gratuitous and corny. Shame, the story's kind of interesting. I hope it's not all just building to MM being the Yellow King or some shit.

Seriously!?

Why would he be the ONLY one, investigating his own case?
 
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