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[marrec]

Their insight isn't being questioned here. It's Joe's professionalism.

That's true, that's true. I was just wondering what Dan's motivation was. It's a bad fight to pick and surely it wasn't his only fight to pick with Joe.

My point being, if IGN did actual critical reviews of Video Games instead of what they appear to do, then they wouldn't have to fight for scraps of credibility with an idiotic YouTube personality.

 

[Comfort Jones]

Dat video game drama.

If you're gonna go for a single line post you could at least try to be a bit more witty with it.

 

[SaintMadeOfPlaster]

I don't know which side made me face palm more.

How Angry Joe manages to get so many people to pay attention to him is beyond me.

How the IGN guy finds a .1 difference in scores worth arguing over is also baffling.

 

[BadWolf]

Pretty dumb thing to argue over.

 

[Phreakuency]

His Youtube revenue rants did him in for me. Haven't watched him since.

This reminded me to unsub.

That was similar for myself.

Add his on camera sneezing, coughing and snotting and it was too much.

 

[Spottiettiedop]

After reading the exchange, why does the title "A thin line between Love and Hate" keep coming into my mind? When there is no slander to IGN, it should have been left alone in public, rather than argue openly with him about it. The whole thing plays off as petty, especially for a much larger and reputible gaming News/journalist outlet. they almost appear over defensive for their over-the-top hype for the game leading up to launch... Take the high road IGN, take the high road next time and send him a PM/E-mail to call him out on something so tiny.......

Or if anyone takes the time to produce and publish a video, make sure its accurate. Is that too much to ask?

 

[Messofanego]

Could someone for the love of all that is good in this world explain to me the difference between an 8.9 and a 9.0?

Adam Sessler: "It's one-tenth better! I mean I've never been a fan of that kind of scoring system and that's exactly the reason for it. Guess what? If you can tell me what is the qualifiable difference pertained in that tenth of value..."

 

[marrec]

I don't know which side made me face palm more.

How Angry Joe manages to get so many people to pay attention to him is beyond me.

How the IGN guy finds a .1 difference in scores worth arguing over is also baffling.

I'll give you a hint:

"LOOK AT ME! I'M A GUY WITH OPINIONS THAT AREN'T CONTROVERSIAL BUT WHEN I SAY THEM LIKE THIS IT SOUNDS CONTROVERSIAL!"

 

[Zen_Arcade]

We all have those moments. He's a guy who's become popular on Youtube and he's worked towards that. The issue is more black and white than that though.

We all have moments. Angry Joe's whole persona is being like that. There's a difference. I'm not discrediting his work, I'm saying he acts like an asshole while voicing it. Just because a lot of people like to watch an asshole on Youtube doesn't mean people don't get to point out that he's acting like an asshole.

 

[dreamer3kx]

Who does this guy think he is, Joe or anyone else can give whatever score they please.

 

[dab0ne]

If you're gonna go for a single line post you could at least try to be a bit more witty with it.

Dat ridiculous video game drama?

 

[chickdigger802]

wait ign reviews are written by the same people that do the previews? I thought most sites stop doing that practice years ago.


And someone correct me if im wrong, but the previews and the beta of TF... they are pretty much the experience of the game right? I mean i've played the beta but not the final game and i've learned nothing new from reading most reviews besides their being some crappy story mode thing.


Usually i'd fall on ign dude's side for this type of semantics fuu, but seriously come on now.

 

[Ken Masters]

And this Angry Joe character behaves like an immature fucking teenager, I loathe gaming personalities


Disgrace

 

[LiK]

I think the issue is whether it's a quote or generalization.

 

[SaintMadeOfPlaster]

And this Angry Joe character behaves like an immature fucking teenager, I loathe gaming personalities


Disgrace

It doesn't help that the vast majority of them have some ridiculous schtick about being mad at everything.

That's why Kyle Bosman is such a refreshing thing. Level-headed commentary, who would've thought THAT was a good idea?

 

[sflufan]

And people wonder why our beloved hobby struggles to be taken seriously.

Having said that, I am going to lean towards the IGN guy on this one.

Way to go, Joe! You made me side with IGN on something and now I need to take a shower.

 

[themagicalkitsune]

Remember what happened when jeff gerstmann gave twilight princess a 8.9

 

[KalBalboa]

That's true, that's true. I was just wondering what Dan's motivation was. It's a bad fight to pick and surely it wasn't his only fight to pick with Joe.

My point being, if IGN did actual critical reviews of Video Games instead of what they appear to do, then they wouldn't have to fight for scraps of credibility with an idiotic YouTube personality.

I gotcha. Dan could've handled this better.

 

[thewhitehawk]

I'll give you a hint:

"LOOK AT ME! I'M A GUY WITH OPINIONS THAT AREN'T CONTROVERSIAL BUT WHEN I SAY THEM LIKE THIS IT SOUNDS CONTROVERSIAL!"

His persona is certainly part of the reason why he became famous but he also puts quite a lot of work into the presentation of his videos. More so than many others.

 

[Sir Blaming]

well looks like someboby failed maths.
This is really dumb, and I think i don't need to add anything already

 

[digoutyoursoul]

His Youtube revenue rants did him in for me. Haven't watched him since.

This reminded me to unsub.

Yeah, I couldn't help but think what a fucking cry baby

 

[sangreal]

It is not a 0.1 difference. IGN uses a (stupid) 100 point scale while 9/10 is a 10-point scale. On a 10-point scale an 8.9 would be an 8/10. Conversely a 9/10 is anywhere from 9.0 - 9.9 on a 100-point scale. 0.1 is only the minimum difference

 

[rakkadakka]

It's fun watching two idiots fight.

 

[Noaksey]

I think the issue is whether it's a quote or generalization.

Agree

 

[Rickenslacker]

This thread has me watching an Angry Joe video for the first time and man was it a slog. The guy could really do with some better editing.

Don't see a problem with how he presented IGN among other outlets however, preview or not have a bit more perspective when writing out and publishing hype pieces so that you don't have to go on Twitter to squabble over .1 in a score being a meaningful differentiation.

It doesn't help that the vast majority of them have some ridiculous schtick about being mad at everything.

That's why Kyle Bosman is such a refreshing thing. Level-headed commentary, who would've thought THAT was a good idea?

I think it was by the time Irate Gamer became a thing that I started wondering how far they're going to go with degrees of anger synonyms. I'm kind of sad that a Mildly Chafed Gamer hasn't sprung up yet.

 

[daniels]

Angry joe is angry even when he does something wrong like misquoting?
Ign thinks 0.1 makes all the difference?
and all that in front of an audience of possible millions of people??? :/
why is everyone soooo silly wtf is going on ?_?

 

[Imp the Dimp]

I love gaming but video game "journalism"-related stuff is nothing short of cringe-worthy everytime it happens.

 

[Gurrry]

agree with joe, but he shouldve kept on the high road. name calling and whining just looks terrible.

 

[flkraven]

A month later and we are still talking about Titanfall reviews.

Years later and we are still talking about Angry Joe.

This is what they meant when they said the gaming industry is failing.

 

[Mesoian]

It is not a 0.1 difference. IGN uses a (stupid) 100 point scale while 9/10 is a 10-point scale. On a 10-point scale an 8.9 would be an 8/10. Conversely a 9/10 is anywhere from 9.0 - 9.9 on a 100-point scale. 0.1 is only the minimum difference

And this is the crux of why traditional game reviews are stupid.

Both parties in this case are in the wrong. Stapleton should know better than to try and attack other people's character over other people criticizing meaningless pedantic data that ultimately means nothing and Joe should realize that resorting to name calling and hair pulling is going to be the thing that ensures that he never progresses any further in the industry than he is now. Hip Hop Gamer learned that lesson, he needs to as well.

Everyone gets a slap on the wrist and are sent back out to recess.

 

[UrbanRats]

Adam Sessler: "It's one-tenth better! I mean I've never been a fan of that kind of scoring system and that's exactly the reason for it. Guess what? If you can tell me what is the qualifiable difference pertained in that tenth of value..."

"..Joe.. Joe... you delusional fuck!"

Wow, Sessler was sassy back in the day.
If he was still like that, i probably wouldn't have unsubscribed from Rev3Games, i have to say.

 

[figadapaura]

I find it hard to take Dan's side on this one. What a ridiculous overreaction.

 

[Log4Girlz]

.1 can mean the difference between shit and art

 

[WhoaIsThatMars]

The amount of instigating in that entire conversation is incredibly childish

 

[Doran902]

I can't see the appeal of Youtube personalities like Joe unless you are like 6-12 years old and dig the whole angry and yelling and being annoying shtick. I watched his Titanfall video and it was like he took a night and read all of the internet forum opinions and made a video spewing what he knows his audience wants to hear. He did misrepresent IGN but IGN doesn't do themselves any favors by writing everything like they are part of the marketing team. Both sides come off as idiotic.

 

[The Llama]

.1 or not he misrepresented the review by intentionally showing the wrong score.

Not a material misrepresentation though, at least IMO.

 

[w00zey]

A month later and we are still talking about Titanfall reviews.

Years later and we are still talking about Angry Joe.

This is what they meant when they said the gaming industry is failing.

LOL this is the best it has to offer, day to day shit talking.

 

[Ivory Samoan]

AJ looked the bigger man in that conversation, but Dan did raise a couple of valid points.

In the end, I prefer Angry Joe over Dan Stapleton anyway, so meh... GO JOE!

 

[Ken Masters]

I find it hard to take Dan's side on this one. What a ridiculous overreaction.

He was very defensive but was also correct, then he gets treated like he's dealing with pre teen


The fact you're saying HE is the one overreacting and not the Angry Joe character says more about you

 

[Marvel]

Pathetic.

 

[UrbanRats]

I would say they're like two juggernauts, going on at each other!

 

[flatearthpandas]

It's like some pedantic forum argument, only the guy's using his real name.

Yup. If games journalism wasn't a joke, this would probably be really embarrassing for IGN.

 

[BurnOutBrighter]

It's Joe who comes off "looking better" from this episode. For Dan to go to town on AJ without IGN even specifically being mentioned... well I'm no expert, but he shot himself in the foot.

 

[MYeager]

Not a material misrepresentation though, at least IMO.

It is if he was talking about reviews, especially ones neglecting to criticize the campaign issues, but uses a quote from an IGN preview instead of a review which does do that. It's odd to me that he wouldn't just use a screenshot of a review that actually does what he's saying versus the IGN preview. Not a fan of either but I can see Stapleton's point and considering he's their reviews editor why he'd take something like that personally.

 

[WhoaIsThatMars]

He was very defensive but was also correct, then he gets treated like he's dealing with pre teen


The fact you're saying HE is the one overreacting and not the Angry Joe character says more about you

Lol wut?

 

[erawsd]

I completely agree, IGN has zero credibility in their critical discourse and if Dan wants people like Joe to stop misquoting his reviewers then maybe he needs to take his job more seriously.

That's not the point Joe was making in the video however, so while you're correct, it's unrelated to this particular issue.

Oh I know, Joe did misquote the article. I just don't think Dan's frustration is justified or aimed in the right direction.

 

[The_Monk]

My good GAFfers, you will always be 10/10 in my heart. Don't let anyone tell you are 9.9/10 okay?

 

[Whompa]

I can't decide what side is sadder.

 

[R_thanatos]

Honestly, imo Angry Joe is at fault in this case. He's casually taking IGNs source articles and citation out of context, and thus mispresenting IGNs opinion. That's irresponsible. To him it's a question of just one "lousy" decimal - without digging into his remarks about what he classifies as a preview or review - because it's not his news media outlet. He obviously won't be attentive to how it's formulated. This action merely enables him to support his own message, thus twisting the content of the original source. So in a sense it's misinforming and thus damaging IGNs credibility and authenticity. Joe doesn't seem to acknowledge the importance of accurate information distrubition, thus displaying a worrying lack of responsibility in his actions. It spreads a misinterpretation of IGNs source, in correalation to their final verdict.

Unless i'm wrong , wasn't Believe the hype written by IGN ?
Review, preview or news is not the issue. Was this said or not ?
Didn't Angry joe show the final review score untouched in his video ?
I'm not sure what is his problem when he is complaining about the game coverage by critics and showing BOTH parts of what happenned.

Ign made a preview with Believe the hype , and a review with a 8.9 score .. unless i've missed something those can't be denied.
Now the whole twitter exchange could have been MUCH better if both side were more calm but when you're going hyperbole during months , you kinda have to assume that, IGN.

 

[figadapaura]

He was very defensive but was also correct, then he gets treated like he's dealing with pre teen


The fact you're saying HE is the one overreacting and not the Angry Joe character says more about you

What are attacking me for?

I don't remember saying Angry Joe didn't overreact, he definitely could have done without the namecalling. But Dan shouldn't have started the discussion in the first place. Calling Angry Joe malicious was hyperbolic and a dumb way to make his complaint.