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[SwiftDeath]

Does T stand for tier or Titanfall?

Tie although the last levelle will also be getting it unfortunately

 

[kyser73]

Factor in the number of countries both consoles have launched in and the difference in sales isn't that surprising.

I'd put money on it that Sony has outsold MS in the same 13 territories, and by quite a margin.

 

[razgriz417]

Does T stand for tier or Titanfall?

pretty sure its tier

 

[Thunder Monkey]

They won't slow down to the rate of WiiU though. Q3 (Destiny + China + Other 26 countries launching, and it generally being a much better Q) will see it pass WiiU.

I mean I kinda expect to see the summer months slow down significantly for One. I actually expect it to go under 100,000 units a few times in the USA, and that will be right around the time of Mario Kart. So June NPD I could see going WiiU's way. I just expect One to have passed WiiU WW by then. I expect One to outsell WiiU by a minimum of 125000 units April in USA, and by a minimum of 50,000 units in May. Depending on the sustained popularity of Titanfall. If it ends up being a bigger title then I expect those ranges may swing in One's favor further. If it doesn't I expect June to be a month that WiiU outsells One.

I'm not expecting much of a divide though. If Titanfall isn't an evergreen title I expect One's price to really slow uptake in the summer months. I put the range at around 85-95,000 units. At best given the meager effect of titles in the past I expect WiiU sales to jump to around 120-150,000 units. A banner month for WiiU. I just doubt it has a lasting impact. The months and holiday after showing us just what Mario Kart did for WiiU (if anything).

If Titanfall is an evergreen One title though Nintendo may not even get that. All it really takes is one piece of software to given hardware meaning. At any cost. People were literally willing to pay $250 last gen for a slightly higher clocked GCN with more memory and a fancy controller with software that complimented it perfectly.

I mean I'm very worried for what this generation will mean. Aside from the explosive start we aren't seeing much large investment software being announced, we've seen the casual focused market shift almost completely in the span of a couple of years away from dedicated gaming systems, and a consolidation of play styles and game archetypes that would be unnerving if we hadn't seen the start of it last gen.

But the armchair analcyst in me can't help but be entertained.

 

[Logash]

Wait, are you talking about the earnings report or the PR statement after the NPD?

I'm talking about both. They both essentially gave the same info except the earnings report is a little more accurate.

 

[Anth0ny]

Regular Mario didn't help, Mario Kart won't either.

I thought 2d mario and 3d mario did help

kart and smash will help too. expecting a solid 200k for the month mario kart drops, and a killer 500k for smash month.

 

[nhlducks35]

Not really Both consoles are out pacing last gen.

3DS was outpacing the DS for the first year or so and now sales are down YoY.

Also Wii U will sell only 10-15 million units, compared to the 100M of the Wii.

 

[StarBlazers1]

WiiU says hi.

Actually, I was involved with that and there was a lot of misinformation there. Money was shifted to other Nintendo products so as not to affect the Accounts Payable ratio and the promise that orders were placed in a more spread out schedule to EQUAL what was sent back. It's like restructuring an athletes contract. I can't speak to everyone's situation, but I can speak to my own.

 

[artist]

Does T stand for tier or Titanfall?

He was talking countries so this;

pretty sure its tier

 

[Guevara]

The number is ok, but I'm thinking it's going to be a slow summer full of bundles and temporary sales.

 

[Syphon Filter]

Not really Both consoles are out pacing last gen.

so far,not going to be the case forever. Maybe sony a little longer since ps3 started slow.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

That is a poor excuse since those countries are not going to help MS.
In fact you can already buy the consoles in some of those countries right now and it not helping them .

True.

 

[DieH@rd]

If this is not a clear sign for all developers to put better focus on their PS4 games, nothing is.

Any developer ignoring the PS4 at this point is just undermining their own interests. That said, I feel like the similarity of the development environments has eliminated the previously required prioritization for different platforms that used to exist, assuming there's a reasonably active audience involved. Aside from the relatively flat licensing and distribution fees, there's less of an opportunity cost associated with development between the newest systems. That seems like a good thing for all involved.

Yeah, MS can be very relieved that they have console that is VERY similar to PS4, enabling developers relatively easy way to support both consoles [with little trouble managing 32MB framebuffer of ESRAM and downsizing visual to a 33% weaker GPU]. There were widespread reports about unoptimized SDK, but those things will sort themselves out. Both consoles will be come streamlined to work with and faster with processing games as time goes by.

 

[Deadstar]

Hopefully they sell enough to be competitive with the ps4 to keep Sony honest.

 

[ymmv]

So about 400k a month with Titanfall. That number is gonna drop a ton without a price drop or launching in more countries. It probably won't reach 5 million until late June.

Sony could hit 10 million PS4s sold to consumers by late June at this rate.

 

[SwiftDeath]

Using just known numbers for the quarter (Jan-Mar 2014) from just NPD(US):
719K sold to consumers
From Microsoft's earnings report today(Worldwide):
1,200,000 sold to retail.

So that leaves 481,000 consoles, minus any sales from the other 12 countries. Why are people believing that 800,000+ consoles are just sitting on store/warehouse shelves?

Retailers would not order and purchase more consoles from Microsoft if they already have them sitting on a shelf. Every unit brought in not only costs a retailer the purchase price, it also has holding costs, labor, insurance, etc.

Because as of Dec. 31st there was 900,000 XB1's on retailers shelves just wating to be sold?

So it's 900k + 1200k = 2100k -> 2100k - 719k = 1381k on retailer shelves

Where are you getting 719k anyways?

 

[shwimpy]

Educate me. What do retailers do with all those original green Xbone boxes that are still in stock? Obviously price drop for one. But can they send them back to MS for a refund?

 

[Jimmyfenix]

He's probably including Wii/WiiU

Yup!

hey, it's a marathon.

How about First to 10 million wins ? - Don Matrix.

 

[The Maverick]

Not really Both consoles are out pacing last gen.

For now. 2014 so far for the One has been worse than 2006 for the 360. They won't be able to hide behind "fastest selling Xbox" for long.

Even if Microsoft manages to tie Sony in the US, it would be catastrophic for their WW LTD numbers at the end of the day.

 

[Latvian Hitman]

Factor in the number of countries both consoles have launched in and the difference in sales isn't that surprising.

Not really much of a factor. The XB1 launched in the territories in which it will sell any meaningful numbers.

 

[theprodigy]

I thought 2d mario and 3d mario did help

kart and smash will help too. expecting a solid 200k for the month mario kart drops, and a killer 500k for smash month.

....in NPD alone?
nah, no chance for either (unless SSB4 is a December release, in which case yes the holidays will push it up to 500k)

 

[serversurfer]

That is enlightening. Retailers were willing to buy 41.6% more 360's then they were XB1's unless people think MS is making less XB1's then 360's?

That's what I've been saying. Even PS3 shipped 1.8M in its post-launch quarter, and they had a hard time even getting them built. Demand for XBone simply isn't good, and more alarmingly for MS and their potential developers, the demand is almost entirely based in the US. (Probably like 80% of their sales, I figure.)

You're forgetting the Xbox 360 supply constraints, though. It was pretty low during the holiday season I believe.

That just makes it worse, as it implies would've ordered more than 1.7M XB360s if they could've, but 1.2M XBones was all they were willing to take, and it took bundling their biggest game and unofficial price cuts to even get them to take that many.

Hmm sure but it does suggest quite a bit lower demand for XB1 at present

I suppose it's hard to get a perfect view on it due to the large sales at launch from both

Do people really think that in the same time Sony made 7M+ PS4's, MS only made 5.1M XB1's?

I've been wondering the same thing. Given Microsoft's hubris, I doubt they ordered fewer than Sony did, and I wouldn't be surprised if they ordered more. Are they able to adjust orders after the fact? How much? Where would they store 2M+ XBones?

 

[MisterXDTV]

Using just known numbers for the quarter (Jan-Mar 2014) from just NPD(US):
719K sold to consumers
From Microsoft's earnings report today(Worldwide):
1,200,000 sold to retail.

So that leaves 481,000 consoles, minus any sales from the other 12 countries. Why are people believing that 800,000+ consoles are just sitting on store/warehouse shelves?

Retailers would not order and purchase more consoles from Microsoft if they already have them sitting on a shelf. Every unit brought in not only costs a retailer the purchase price, it also has holding costs, labor, insurance, etc.

Because there were 900K unsold to customers in 2013: so 900K+481K= almost 1.4M potential consoles unsold to customers

 

[Oppo]

Remember this?

“This year will be the largest in the history of the video game industry, with Xbox 360 leading the charge in the U.S. and abroad,” said Don Mattrick, senior vice president of the Interactive Entertainment Business in the Entertainment and Devices Division at Microsoft. “History has shown us that the first company to reach 10 million in console sales wins the generation battle. We are uniquely positioned to set a new benchmark for the industry.”

Something tells me they won't be rolling out that particular line again.

 

[xxracerxx]

Factor in the number of countries both consoles have launched in and the difference in sales isn't that surprising.

That doesn't really matter when you look at how much MS has sold in those countries previously.

 

[Syphon Filter]

I thought 2d mario and 3d mario did help

kart and smash will help too. expecting a solid 200k for the month mario kart drops, and a killer 500k for smash month.

lmao 500k systems for smash,not a chance.

 

[Dawg]

Factor in the number of countries both consoles have launched in and the difference in sales isn't that surprising.

 

[allan-bh]

I believe ~1m difference betweem shipped and sold to consumers is perfectly normal. PS4 is supply constrained.

 

[johnny956]

Because as of Dec. 31st there was 900,000 XB1's on retailers shelves just wating to be sold?

So it's 900k + 1200k = 2100k -> 2100k - 719k = 1381k on retailer shelves

Where are you getting 719k anyways?

719k is from NPD numbers January-March I assume?

 

[Squalor]

That is a poor excuse since those countries are not going to help MS.
In fact you can already buy the console in some of those countries right now and it not helping them .
MS will be lucky if those places add 100k a month WW for them .

It's funny people keep using that excuse.

The Xbox One has already launched in its biggest markets, by far.

These other countries aren't going to help much.

 

[Clarkus Darkus]

Honestly no wonder they are dropping the price of the x1 in the uk to get rid of stock, As with not alot coming out soon for the X1 i cant see them numbers drastically improving.

Is 4mill which is what it seems to be sold to customers good enough for MS and its shareholders? Surely E3 they announce a price drop which would be amazing to believe 7 months after release!

 

[Jimmyfenix]

Yup i can see what you guys are saying....Price drop incoming...It has to right?

 

[Moneal]

Because as of Dec. 31st there was 900,000 XB1's on retailers shelves just wating to be sold?

So it's 900k + 1200k = 2100k -> 2100k - 719k = 1381k on retailer shelves

Where are you getting 719k anyways?

i think they are saying the 719 is US sales jan through March. but its about 712 or so i think

 

[Syphon Filter]

I believe ~1m difference betweem shipped and sold to consumers is perfectly normal. PS4 is supply constrained.

Sony fixed they supply issues,you can find it any time now.

 

[Guymelef]

So at the same time Sony was selling to users 1 million, Microsoft was selling to retailers 400k...

 

[Maximilian Kolbe]

For now. 2014 so far for the One has been worse than 2006 for the 360. They won't be able to hide behind "fastest selling Xbox" for long.

Even if Microsoft manages to tie Sony in the US, it would be catastrophic for their WW LTD numbers at the end of the day.

It's not easy to Xbox One not shipped more than 10m after 2014

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Xbox One wouldn't have made up 3M even if it did ship in those remaining countries.

Of course it won't. That wasn't what I meant. I was just pointing out a fact.

MS has lost most of Europe (could be argued they never really had most of Europe), I doubt they'll gain much traction in South Africa, India or Middle Eastern countries. Sony were smart in releasing there, even if it left them spread thin. It also allowed them to take advantage of a new generation thirst and it's one that MS have missed. It's why we're seeing Sony gaining such a huge sales advantage and it's the reason why it'll continue to grow.

That's true. But xbone and ps4 have launched in all the major territories. I doubt all the extra ones that ps4 are in amount to anything significant.

Yup.

 

[Aquamarine]

Compared to their previous console launches, how is the X1 doing?

Can someone complete this list?

After 4 months of sales:

Xbox =
360 =
X1 = 4mil +/-

Xbox:

North American shipments as of December 31st, 2001 - 1.53 million
Worldwide shipments as of March 31st, 2002 - approx. 2.5 million
Worldwide shipments as of June 30th, 2002 - 3.9 million
Worldwide shipments as of September 30th, 2002 - ??? million
Worldwide shipments as of December 31st, 2002 - 8.0 million

360:

Worldwide shipments as of December 31st, 2005 - 1.5 million (lots of shortages)
Worldwide shipments as of March 31st, 2006 - 3.2 million (still lots of shortages)
Worldwide shipments as of June 30th, 2006 - 5.0 million
Worldwide shipments as of September 30th, 2006 - 6.0 million
Worldwide shipments as of December 31st, 2006 - 10.4 million

Xbox One:

Worldwide shipments as of December 31st, 2013 - 3.9 million
Worldwide shipments as of March 31st, 2014 - 5.1 million



Xbox One is outperforming their previous launches, but a lot of that is due to a larger video game market and stronger shipments at launch.

Xbox 360 was supply-constrained for a while...Xbox One was demand-constrained like a month after launch.

 

[shandy706]

dunno sold but we have shipped

Xbox = 4 million shipped by July 2002
360 = 3.2 million shipped by April 2006

Thanks, trying to guess based on NPD from 360/Original Xbox (looking for WW)

Compared to their previous console launches, how is the X1 doing?

Best guess after looking at a bunch of "charts and #'s"

After 4 months of sales (best guess to customers):

Xbox = 1.2-1.7mil+/-
360 = 2.5-3mil +/-
X1 = 4mil +/-

This generation is blowing away previous generation's sales even with direct competition it seems.

Spoiler

Of course the multiple wiki's/charts/sites could be off. Seems hard to find data from 9-14 years ago.

That long 360/Wii/PS3 gen left a lot of customers wanting something.

Worldwide shipments as of December 31st, 2005 - 1.5 million (lots of shortages)
Worldwide shipments as of March 31st, 2006 - 3.2 million (still lots of shortages)

Edit** I seem to be undershooting on 360...changed it.

 

[Syphon Filter]

Yup i can see what you guys are saying....Price drop incoming...It has to right?

I think they will wit for E3 and meanwhile they will have those stealth price cuts and bundles to hold them down until then.

 

[ymmv]

Sony fixed they supply issues,you can find it any time now.

In the US. Not everywhere in the world.

 

[Moneal]

Sony fixed they supply issues,you can find it any time now.

only in US and Canada and its better in the UK now. But everywhere else its still hard to find.

 

[Raist]

Factor in the number of countries both consoles have launched in and the difference in sales isn't that surprising.

If MS were to reship all unsold stocks to countries where the XB1 hasn't launched yet, I really, really doubt it'd be sold out.

 

[CCS]

Sony fixed they supply issues,you can find it any time now.

Only in America. Over here in Europe its still quite badly supply constrained in places.

 

[Maximilian Kolbe]

Remember this?



Something tells me they won't be rolling out that particular line again.

Of course they won't,it's from Don Mattrick

 

[The Maverick]

I believe ~1m difference betweem shipped and sold to consumers is perfectly normal. PS4 is supply constrained.

When the number is 5 million, no it's not. Retailers aren't just going to keep ordering systems if they are not moving what they have on the shelf.

Which is exactly why retailers were trying to shift the green box to make room for the Titanfall bundle.

 

[SwiftDeath]

719k is from NPD numbers January-March I assume?

i think they are saying the 719 is US sales jan through March. but its about 712 or so i think

Yes I read it too fast. He stated it was NPD numbers so clearly not WW numbers

 

[MisterXDTV]

So at the same time Sony was selling to users 1 million, Microsoft was selling to retailers 400k...

 

[twerkitout]

This. Plus in MS eyes, they are sold. It's up to the retailers to sell them to consumers. I was a buyer and I can definitely say, unlike software, hardware is not being sent back. It will be sold sideways if they need to unload. These will be sold eventually though. E3 is coming.....

Nope this is wrong, for hardware that is stocked in the channel and is not a commodity, it is common for there to be a provision to return x amount of unsold hardware every quarter/month.

 

[Uno Venova]

So at the same time Sony was selling to users 1 million, Microsoft was selling to retailers 400k...

That's practically even, amazing considering the online campaign against the X1 before it released.

Congratulations Microsoft.