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Microsoft Earnings: 1.2 million Xbox One's shipped in Jan-Mar, 5.1M total (3.9+1.2)
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He'll get some probing questions in the Q&A session wrt to the Xbox division.
Correct, but one company bitch-slapping the competition could easily become arrogant. MS witnessed PS3's reveal and they still thought it would be a good idea to be arrogant jackasses with Xbox One. And that's with taking the biggest market from Sony and not even reaching PS2-level dominance.
But it tells us nothing, Xbox 360 shipped 1.5 million console's over a stupid long time iirc, and PS2 and Wii launches had the whole "if they shipped more they would have sold more" shadow hanging over them, which you can't say for the Xbox One at all outside of the first month.
All the Xbox One and PS4's launch tells us is how far production of console's have improved immensely from 7 years ago, hell Nintendo went out of the starting blocks fast with the WiiU ffs.
People learn more from their own mistakes than from someone else's.
Not_A-Cop_Maybe
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Like i said, I'm not sure on the numbers for profit but the fact still remains that for every Xbox sold, it makes more money than one PS4 sold.
And yes, you are absoloutely right about software & service. Software is king for sure.
Damn, that means I was wrong - they should quickly stop all business with the XB1 in order to stay ahead of the 360!
Neuromancer
Member
Someone ask about Crackdown
Syphon Filter
Member
Someone always makes a mistake. We thought MS will learn from Sony mistakes and they didnt. Also we dont know if the same people at sony now will be there down the round in 10 yrs. A lot can change in that amount of time.
hoyalawya
Member
Microsoft's stock price is up almost 3% after hours after this earning release. I would say it is far from doom.
Imperfected
Member
A five million install base (ie, sold-through to consumers) was the goal, which is why you aren't likely to hear Microsoft talking number of consoles sold to customers any time soon.
This talk about them "not caring" whether the consoles are sold to retailers or through to consumers is absolutely absurd. They make money off software sales and XBL Gold subscriptions. They absolutely want those consoles in the hands of paying customers, they don't just ship them out into retail channels and stop caring what happens to them after that because they've already been paid.
mangochutney
Member
That is a really flawed way to look at things.Well for Germany I made some charts earlier today that might be helpful
This is Software placements, not hardware
Ignore Week 2 though as that's adjusted. this doesn't even account for the fact that the PS4 placements are higher in the Top 50 as well
gamechanger87
Member
Well titanfall wouldn't exist if MS didn't step in and fund development.
SwiftDeath
Member
No problem. Was the best example I could think of as posters were generally impressed by MS's numbers until like the day after when we got PS4 numbers lol
I think we'll hear about 8M sold through a bit later in March then when we heard 7M in April
So like the 12th versus the 6th
Hmm it would only really be flawed if the couple software SKUs that topped the chart for XB1 and Wii U were charting higher than the highest PS4 SKUs which they're not
If I adjusted it for the average chart position it would more highly favor PS4 and show XB1 and Wii U in a worse light
Just to add that 3% increase has nothing to do with the Xbox division.
It there really are 700k to 1M X1 in stock, I really doubt they'll ship more than 1M next quarter.
Considering how the majority of Microsoft's money comes from the Enterprise business, MS as a company is not doomed. It's the Xbox brand that's on shaky ground, so it'd have to be "Xbox"-something.
Xboned
Mikey Jr.
Member
Damn if true!
He is saying by E3, most likely 8.6 million.
Imagine if Sony could announce that at E3?
8.6 mill would be HUGE.
I'm getting offtopic. Good stuff for MS. Selling decently for sure.
360 "exceeded expectations", no such verbage for Xbone.
For Xbone, she said they'll concentrate on "adding value" (bundles? deals?) and on other markets.
MisterXDTV
Member
That's my point, it came out too late to change that generation's fate... At that point PS2 was just unreachable because of word of mouth, library etc... And remember PSX dominated the previous gen so the brand was at the top...
This time they WERE at the top, the great consumer-friendly american company, while Sony was the bad expensive japanese company in the US.
Look in 6 months what happened....
The UK is part of the EU (for the moment), and the UK, French & German markets aren't that far apart (German market is way bigger for PC as well).
I believe they helped fund it for launch exclusivity it wasn't until later they made it exclusive for the life of the console.
Otherwise I doubt Zampanella would be so sad about hearing the news.
http://kotaku.com/dont-expect-titanfall-2-to-be-a-microsoft-exclusive-1454392369
Is that 5 hours watching TV?
gundamkyoukai
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Your are wrong from all the other BOM break downs we have seen .
In fact MS have said they break even at best http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articl...ll-be-break-even-or-profit-making-from-launch
And that was before price drops and giving away there biggest game of the year .
Watching TV would count towards that 5, yeah.
Well, there ya go. Over shipped, bad quarter coming,
Lol! They should clarify!
gamechanger87
Member
Agreed, but I was commenting on the fact it wouldn't exist without them. EA wanted to kill it.
The Final Hours of Titanfall has all the details.
I'm sure it's at least half that.
Not_A-Cop_Maybe
Member
Agreed. Like i said, it was the quickest i could find while at work, behind the security access. Even so, the fact remains. More profit per xbox sold. Now i don't know if 2.5M that Sony has over makes it a clear sony victory profit wise, it does narrow the gap for sure.
Also: "Microsoft's Yusuf Mehdi has revealed that each sale of an Xbox One will be a break even transaction for Microsoft at the very least, suggesting that the machine is to be sold at profit from day one - a feat normally reserved for Nintendo."
I'm pretty sure selling the box at 499 gives you some profit.
Penguins&PolarBears
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That is not completely true. Consumer product revenue beat market expectations by a lot, but that also includes Surface tablets which are doing a lot better than expected. Xbox 360 is also higher than expected. Considering Nokia acquisition tomorrow consumer device performance is increasingly important to investors.
Rumored to be 5 hours of installing Dead Rising 3.
Theres no fact about who's making more profit per box sold. Nobody knows how much either company makes or loses per console sold. The only real fact is that there's no way there's any profit being made on hardware once you take into account R&D, marketing, packaging and shipping, discount to retailers, and BOM.
I should have said Xbox One. The 360 is definitely making them money.
not_so_special
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its what the devs said.thats true but i dont believe a single word of that
Agreed. While their investors may keep Xbox One around this generation (by most likely spinning the division off), I think we can most likely say that they'll cancel R&D production for the 4th Xbox console. They're not gonna tolerate more big losses of the Xbox brand for the third generation in a row.
KillerMan91
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Europe was way bigger market for PS3 than US.
Psycho_Mantis
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So XB1 has sold 4.2 million in comparison to PS4's 7 million.
If I were MS alarm bells would be ringing all over the place. Titanfall was not the system seller they thought it would be.
If I were MS alarm bells would be ringing all over the place. Titanfall was not the system seller they thought it would be.
Question, why does the Dreamcast never exist when we talk about that generation?
every goddamn time, you're not the only one btw.
JinjoUnchained
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...of course they are not doomed; neither is Nintendo. I was referring to the stock reply many people give when a bad earnings report or negative story is released. It's not doom, but it is a bad trend. It shows market share moving in the same direction as the sixth generation, when everyone had a PS2 and a few people had an XBox or GameCube as a second console. If that persists, then XBox One may have trouble getting ports, which would be a big problem for them as they don't have much in the way of exclusives. So it's on MS to read the tea leaves and reverse the trends. We'll see their plan at E3.
That's called comment by omission, isn't it?
lol, you wish. Keep dreaming, dreamer.
Ouch lol
gamechanger87
Member
Well enjoy your tinfoil hat. Seriously, if you don't trust either of the parties who did the transaction, are you only going to trust random people on this forum?
airmangataosenai
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No one has ever talked about sell through to consumers before Sony started this past holiday season, whether it be Sony, Microsoft, or Nintendo. The only figure we traditionally get from them is this shipment figure during quarterly reports. Anyone who has followed Sales-Age for more than a year knows this. This isn't some trickery by Microsoft, it's been standard practice in the game industry for decades now.
But no, the sales/shipments are in no way bad. If you go into older GAF threads about shipments actually you will see that no one here ever thought they'd reach this milestone before April by the way:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=681101&highlight=xbox+one+5+million
Just sayin.
SwiftDeath
Member
Just to clarify for everyone, there are no hard numbers for what MS has sold through to consumers
Most popular guesstimate is 4.2M though but could be as high as 4.6M/4.7M imo
Was the Dreamcast an accessory for the Saturn?
Most popular guesstimate is 4.2M though but could be as high as 4.6M/4.7M imo
Was the Dreamcast an accessory for the Saturn?