RedRooster
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Far Cry 4's art is racist and the antagonist is (potentially) gay
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From your lips to God's ears! Its documented somewhere.
That's what I was thinking. Isn't it kind of offensive to assume that he's gay just because he's wearing pink?
As for the cover, I don't think it's racist at all. The antagonist is presumably coming in and oppressing the native peoples (we don't know the plot yet, but it has been assumed that that is what he is doing), and that is exactly what the cover is depicting. It's not saying anything negative about one race or the other, it's showing us the character of the villain in one quick glance.
War Raichu
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this is why people hate "social justice"
How about we play the game when it comes out and then start worrying about it. When we, you know, have some actual context on the matter.
That's also a pretty good example above me. The dude in the artwork strikes me as someone who's super flashy, akin to males on a show like Jersey Shore.
That's also a pretty good example above me. The dude in the artwork strikes me as someone who's super flashy, akin to males on a show like Jersey Shore.
flaxknuckles
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haha comments like these are the only reason to keep reading this thread
Lambda Pie
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i like how his avatar is him licking a DS4 in a suggestive manner. i get the reference but it's crazy how a guy nearly fellating a goddamn control pad gets offended at the sight of a dude in pink being a "gay stereotype".
PdotMichael
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Either OP is satire or he is projecting a little bit too much into the artwork.
Think of the political leanings of the people who dominate these kinds of conversations. They are the type of people who conflate the fictional depiction of something controversial with the most negative, real-world parallel. Once your offensive is established, real or perceived, you frame every request to remove or alter content on basis that it is making the world a better place.
They don't want to hear that he's Asian. It fucks up their agenda.
theusedversion
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This. SMH. Reading through the whole thread waiting for him to respond.
SirMossyBloke
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What exactly is offensive if you called someone gay???
We know almost nothing about the game, who the characters are, their personality and people just want to assume everything about it from the boxart. Who cares if the main villain is racist, that just makes him a bad person, it gives you more reasons to despise him and him more reasons to do the evil things he does. It's a work of fiction that is trying to tell its own story.
Some people will not be happy until games become "nondescript person A might not agree with nondescript person B but acknowledges that they are their own autonomous person and can make choices that do not agree with their view"
And no, this game will not increase hatred of gay people. If a game could do that then there would have already be increases of hate and discrimination for anyone who has ever played a villain in a game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPIsSNEUmc4
Some people will not be happy until games become "nondescript person A might not agree with nondescript person B but acknowledges that they are their own autonomous person and can make choices that do not agree with their view"
And no, this game will not increase hatred of gay people. If a game could do that then there would have already be increases of hate and discrimination for anyone who has ever played a villain in a game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPIsSNEUmc4
Discotheque
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he looks like he has the potential to be more entertaining than vaas. that's just based on appearance alone though.
vaas looked lame as hell but ended up being pretty cool.
vaas looked lame as hell but ended up being pretty cool.
Principate
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Clearly. It's also glorifying flamingo's as a as a superior breed of animal far better the lion the native represents through his lionly posture. This must not stand.
There are images that blatantly represent a certain offensive concept. This is not one of them without context.
Kssio_Aug
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And if it turns out that he is not a gay character, can we consider it exactly the opposite? That Ubisfot just teached a lesson, and showed people that the color of a cloth and the posture of a person does not implicate anything?
Because I dont see whats wrong on his posture either.
Didn't you get the memo? With critiquing media we're supposed to err on the side of horrible intentions whenever possible, logic aside.
But what if the white man is the villain? How ignorant can we be if we're waiting for some context that would characterize the dude on the cover?
It's not, but he's assuming that he's gay based on stereotypes of gays. But thanks for twisting my words.
Just so it's clear, I didn't mean that being called gay is offensive, I meant that anyone who is gay might find it offensive to see a character called gay just because they're wearing pink. Maybe it was poorly worded (ans I think it still is), but I was in no way saying or implying that being called gay is offensive.
The OP has made so many assumptions based off of a picture with zero context. People are offended by everything these days, this is just another ridiculous accusation.
I see it as an white man invading a foreign area, taking it over and defiling its culture, as shown by him using the head of a statue as a footrest and the weapons on his 'throne'. He's meant to be a villain and is quite obviously in reference to white/Western invasions and pillaging of foreign lands. This I have no problem with by itself.
However, I am concerned, based on the quality of writing of FC3, that they will fall into the same traps of failing to get the satirical message across and thus end up with a unpleasant, highly racially charged mess of a story. I also seriously hope the main protagonist is not also white, or if s/he is, then they end up making the situation worse. Ubisoft have shown a progressive track record as of recent so I'm feeling cautiously optimistic that they will get this one right.
I did not get gay vibes from the villain at all, btw.
However, I am concerned, based on the quality of writing of FC3, that they will fall into the same traps of failing to get the satirical message across and thus end up with a unpleasant, highly racially charged mess of a story. I also seriously hope the main protagonist is not also white, or if s/he is, then they end up making the situation worse. Ubisoft have shown a progressive track record as of recent so I'm feeling cautiously optimistic that they will get this one right.
I did not get gay vibes from the villain at all, btw.
Zeyphersan
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WhiskeyKnight
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God, it must get exhausting being outraged all the time.
SirMossyBloke
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Hence "stereotype".
BronsonLee
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We have the box art.
THE BOX ART.
THE BOX ART.
ClaptoVaughn
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scoobidoo112
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Stone Ocean
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God forbid a character that I'm most likely supposed to hate does hateful things.
Should we portray Nazi villains as having legitimate motives for their campaigns?
Should we portray Nazi villains as having legitimate motives for their campaigns?
SocksForWoks
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I haven't played Far Cry 3 or Blood Dragon, but is it all just getting more goofy like Saint's Row?
Anyway I think people are way too sensitive to issues of race and sexuality.
Anyway I think people are way too sensitive to issues of race and sexuality.
TheBaronOfNA
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Yeah, but that was not the argument that come form the OP or the quoted post. The OP focused in a single piece of art to complain about it.
wuxian fengguang
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That's what you get for releasing questionable cover art without releasing any further relevant information. I haven't judged the final product as of yet but considering Ubisoft's previous efforts I highly doubt they have the writing chops to actually handle this subject in any respectful or nuanced fashion. We'll see.
Danny Dudekisser
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I think you need to find a better use of your time, OP.
TangibleDream
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My question to you would be, had this character's suit been, say, black and with a tie, would you have mentioned anything?
My bet is no. This whole thing, ironically, paints an interesting picture about your preconceived notions, as a bisexual.
XANDER CAGE
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I think the main issue here is 1. Far Cry 3 completely bungled its commentary on racism/colonialism, despite having some interesting elements. There's prior precedent of poorly handled topics.
The other issue is this being the choice for the box art. I think the image itself is quite potent - for the record, I think his flamboyance is meant to illustrate his wealth and poor taste, not his sexuality, although I can see why people might be worried he's a stereotype - and could be a great scene in a well-written game. However, it's a terrible image to choose to promote the game as a product.
Think about it this way - the scene in Schindler's List where Fiennes' character casually shoots at camp workers is incredibly well done. Would a movie poster or trailer based around that scene work well as an advertisement? Christ, no. Intense images devoid of context don't work well for this kind of thing.
Far Cry 3 is also at a disadvantage because I'm sure most of the people who are in the middle of the "understands the image is satirical" and "has played Far Cry 3" Venn diagram don't have a high opinion of Far Cry's writing.
The other issue is this being the choice for the box art. I think the image itself is quite potent - for the record, I think his flamboyance is meant to illustrate his wealth and poor taste, not his sexuality, although I can see why people might be worried he's a stereotype - and could be a great scene in a well-written game. However, it's a terrible image to choose to promote the game as a product.
Think about it this way - the scene in Schindler's List where Fiennes' character casually shoots at camp workers is incredibly well done. Would a movie poster or trailer based around that scene work well as an advertisement? Christ, no. Intense images devoid of context don't work well for this kind of thing.
Far Cry 3 is also at a disadvantage because I'm sure most of the people who are in the middle of the "understands the image is satirical" and "has played Far Cry 3" Venn diagram don't have a high opinion of Far Cry's writing.
PixyJunket
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It must be exhausting to be "offended" by something each and every waking moment of one's life.
What is your end game here?
Do you want to force a creator to change a character or an image (which they have the freedom to make any way they choose to make) because it goes against YOUR ideology?
A fictional character.
You want somebody to change a fictional character because that character's fiction goes against YOUR beliefs.
Is THAT your idea of "diversity?" To squash all speech, opinion and expression that goes against YOUR beliefs?
Why are YOUR beliefs so important? Why are YOUR beliefs "right?"
What a piggish, narcissistic way of thinking (and acting).
What is your end game here?
Do you want to force a creator to change a character or an image (which they have the freedom to make any way they choose to make) because it goes against YOUR ideology?
A fictional character.
You want somebody to change a fictional character because that character's fiction goes against YOUR beliefs.
Is THAT your idea of "diversity?" To squash all speech, opinion and expression that goes against YOUR beliefs?
Why are YOUR beliefs so important? Why are YOUR beliefs "right?"
What a piggish, narcissistic way of thinking (and acting).
Neuromancer
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(potentially) racist
People just think he's white because they seem never seen an Asian bleach their hair before.
Context is irrelevant excuse-making, check your privilege. And haven't you learned from the last go-around from that rape sim masquerading as Tomb Raider?
Clarkus Darkus
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Wow....All that from a box cover, Talk about an overreaction.
Im starting to think its impossible to create any interesting character trait that wont offend someone. Cant have a bad guy that dresses eccentrically, because he might be gay, cant have a bad guy doing something evil, because...racism?
I would love to create a thread where neogaf designs an interesting cast of characters in which it is impossible for someone to find something offensive about it.
I would love to create a thread where neogaf designs an interesting cast of characters in which it is impossible for someone to find something offensive about it.
Fine Ham Abounds
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He just looks like a cross between Julien Assange and Gordon Ramsay to me.
Relaxed Muscle
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I just see a gun lord being a psycopath type of villain by playing with the life of one of his henchmen (?) in a very cruel way.
Anything beyond that is just malicious interpretation.
Anything beyond that is just malicious interpretation.
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