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Square Enix sends cease and desist letter to FF Type 0 translation group
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Considering the translation patch has already released, I don't really see how this is an issue at all.
PSP/PC/Hacked Vita & hacked PS3 owners have an English patch that's now readily available on the internet. EDIT: Lol just remembered Android, which is great for PSP.
PS4/XB1 owners will get the HD version whenever that hits, sometime in 2017 before XIV.
Square-Enix have done their due diligence in IP protection or whatever that bullshit is.
How were the hardcore fans kicked in the teeth? The translation patch was already released. It's not like they C&D'd before release. We got the work.
Uh? As far as I remember all their big PSP games (like Crisis Core, Dissidia, Birth by Sleep) were big successes, Type Zero was supposed to be the last one in that category.
Also I'm not sure about your point, do you think that we have to thank them because they try to sell their products to us? Or that we have to buy whatever game they publish because they were kind enough to localize it even if it's shitty (like The 3rd Birthday) or people simply aren't interested in the concept?
That's pretty backward, if we don't buy their games they don't exist. It's their job to please gamers and make games that people want to play.Btw in this case as I said I don't blame them, they have to protect their sales as much as they can, it's just that the image that comes out in the process is not good.
Now you're comparing the fan-translation to an official release of a game. That's just silly. Most people don't even know that a fan-translation for Type-0 exists, and half of the rest doesn't want to have to mess around with hacking or emulators. We're talking about a relatively small group of people that's even playing those fan-translations to begin with - and that group becomes even more insignificant when talking about Final Fantasy, a brand with huge appeal to more than just hardcore fans of JRPGs.
Companies like XSEED, NISA or Atlus have a lot more reason to be afraid by fan-translations, since they are targetting a specific hardcore-audience to begin with. And yet none of those companies give a shit, because they know that a few lost sales aren't enough to justify the amount of goodwill you lose. Danganronpa released a year after a great fan translation - and yet it's still one of the more popular Vita games this year. There's also the nice way of telling the people who're working on something that they miiiiiiight want to step working on it. Happened with XSEED and Brandish just a few months ago - without the need of a C&D.
Hacked PS3 owners, which can play PSP games.
So you're telling me that Square Enix saw that a US fan translation was happening and said "fuck they aren't trumping us".
Could Square Enix actually port Type 0 to PS3? Sure, but I'm under the impression the PSP to PS3 up-ports can't be full retail products. At least in the US. Every PSP port has actually had to be bundled with something. PW was stand alone in Japan. Not here. The GoW PSP ports were bundled. Monster Hunter 3 PSP not even released here. No PSP remasters were released here stand alone. So it seems that they would have had to bundle Type 0 HD with something and well clearly SE considers Type 0 a big game so how would that fly with them?
I play games for fun though, so why should I (or you if you don't own Square stock) care about their business decisions. If we don't voice our concern when a company makes a bad move like this, how are they going to know for next time? I doubt Square takes any notice of what it's fans want, but the principle's the same.
Besides, it was my argument that the patch and the retail game can coexist, that this was a poor business decision on their part. I very much doubt they gain a lot of sales from cancelling the PSP fan-translation of an upcoming current-gen remaster. It's not exactly the easiest process.
You've got to be interested enough in Type 0 to be aware of the FT. You've got to have a modded PSP, in 2013 and you've got to rip an iso and apply a patch to it. How many people do you think have done this? A few thousand, at best. Do you really think it's worth poisoning the water with these people, on a product that is already available?
I'm not even saying this isn't their right, but they should've been talking about Type-0 a lot sooner and the C&D should've come a lot sooner. Doing it now just makes them look petty and pathetic. An image they should be working hard to get rid of.
Thank you.
DigitalDevilSummoner
zero cognitive reasoning abilities
You are underestimating the ease of use of said emulators and the graphical advantages.
Considering how long they spent doing nothing, yes I am.
I meant an HD port, not a straight up one. edit. I'm not familiar with the semantics here obviously. If they can't release an HD remaster of a PSP title in the west, that's news to me but it doesn't excuse them. They publish a tone of things, they could have released a hybrid disc with Advent Children.
Doesn't change the fact that most of the people think it's just too much hassle and let it go.
No need to feel guilty about buying Deus Ex. The Eidos branch of Squeenix is much more accepting of fan works. AFAIK it's only the Japanese part of the company that's got an arsehole attitude towards them.
Source on that?
NeoGAF isn't the only place on the internet. Check every other forum that's also not GBATemp and you'll find a lot of people who just won't bother with it.
Even when you do include NeoGAF or GBATemp the number of folks interested in the patch are nominal in the grand scheme of things.
Screw you Square, this is just a shitty move, like making sure they announced this in the exact same week the fan translation was completed. I've had the game for months but didn't download the patch because I have such a tiny memory stick but I'll try and make sure I do it now. Honestly pushing me over the edge though, tempted to boycott most Square releases now.
Anyone have a download link for the patch now? It would be much appreciated.
Anyone have a download link for the patch now? It would be much appreciated.
So that's a no to any hard evidence?
You don't need to patch the game either. You can just download a pre-patched ISO straight from certain illegal websites, which - shock horror - plenty of PSP pirates were doing for ages. We have no way of knowing how many people are or are not interested in the patch.
Weren't the general rumblings that it was the other way around? Translation group found out about HD remake, rushed to release it beforehand?
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
When XSEED/NISA grows big enough like Ubisoft or SE, I think they'll be taking the same actions. If and when you are negotiating with major clients for a partnership and stuffs, you'll have to put on suits and appear professional for those contracts.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Apparently the Cease and Desist was applied on Sky's birthday. Talk about insult to injury.
No, I'm not. You're just guessing and assuming what people are thinking.
Basileus777
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If so, that paints the translation group in a pretty shady light. Fan translations are great, but they should not be made in competition with official localizations.
I'm going to cut this here, can't bother to reply to someone who thinks most people with a PSP or PC knows how to mod and emulate games just to play Type-0 in english.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Maybe Sky knew. I can attest that none of the other members knew about that happening. Type 0 HD was unexpected for me. I thought SE gave up on Type 0 completely outside of Agito. So I dunno the details with him.
You dump them on your memory stick. It's that easy. It also seems like a good portion of people with PSP's do know how to pirate on it. Thats kind of what hurt software sales.
I'm not sure exactly what happened, but one of the members of the translation group found out something that pushed the release forward. At the end of the day it's different platforms so, whatever. We got the patch. C&D is meaningless now.
I didn't say that. I said you have absolutely no way of knowing, and you don't. Don't make statements in a factual manner when you have absolutely no clue whether they're true or not.
I'm not sure, but considering this team was working on this fan translation for so long and when they were finally ready to release it all of a sudden this happens I think it's a bigger question mark over Square than Sky.
The translation patch release was pushed forward all of a sudden. Might want to peruse this thread, I haven't kept completely up with it. "Unexpected events" is what he called it.
thewhitehawk
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I don't think it's that negative. They're people. Of course they'd want some kuddos and attention for all the work they put into the translation. It would suck to not get it out before the thing that kind of defeats the purpose of the work got announced.
C&Ding anything, even things you're obviously allowed to, brings out the howling anti-fanboys. Wouldn't amazed me if S-E delayed until they were sure it was actually coming out rather than copping that kind of nerdrage for shutting down your average 0.1 patch that gives up at item names and half or so of main scenario.
Interestingly, this is also three weeks before the originally announced release date for the patch. Perhaps whoever was keeping an eye on it on the S-E side was caught out by the hard work a bunch of people in the group put in to polish it off early?
Incompetent at being stupid, a new low for SE.
That a company like NISA have this attitude...
While a giant like SE does this shit after years of being silent about Type-0 while fans were desperate for a definitive answer.
Shitty company, shitty attitude and zero respect for the user. Good show.
That a company like NISA have this attitude...
While a giant like SE does this shit after years of being silent about Type-0 while fans were desperate for a definitive answer.
Shitty company, shitty attitude and zero respect for the user. Good show.
This doesn't change my opinion of the fan-translators at all. You think they wanted their tremendous amount of hard-work to just be C&D'd away? Regardless of the incoming HD version, SE waited three years to do anything with Type 0. That's not a justifiable amount of time, they lost the right to go after fan efforts like this when they left people waiting for so long.
And without the FT it would still probably be a year or so until people could play the bloody thing. Fuck of Square, you miserly fucking cunts.
But they're not C&D'd away. The translation was released, and the majority of the people have used it, and those who want to use it in the future can still find it. At this point it changes very little.
And as far as the right to go after fan efforts, I believe the patch that is circulated contains parts of the Type-0 ISO (it's like 2GB and only requires 1 out of 2 discs), so they do have the legal right.
Not really trying to make Square-Enix heroes or anything here, just pointing out they've basically changed nothing with this. If they had C&D'd before release, it'd be a whole different tale.
Ah my mistake then. Still a shitty move from Square IMO regardless.
I didn't know companies had a limit on what to do with thier own stuff.
Would you have liked them to say during those three years "um we don't know where to put this game"? You people get mad when they announce things too early. Now you get mad when they decided to shut thier mouth and announce something when there's an actual plan. It's lose lose for SE.
Your mistake is that you assume Square Enix cares about looking shitty.
I contributed, in a pretty small way due to schedules and gaps in communication, to the project. I can't speak for anyone else, especially people who did more work than I did, but I don't think I can personally object to it being C&Ded - that's just how it works, and the transience is in large part the beauty of the format. Taking it personally is like a graffiti artist being wounded that the MTA repainted their trains.
Oh god, lol.
Emulating a game on a PC is a very easy and simple process.
And while I don't own a PSP myself, everyone whom I've met with a PSP has cfw so I'm assuming that's simple as well.
Back on subject.
Would have made more sense to do a cease and desist before the project was completed. I support them in doing so regardless.
I don't see why you're defending Square. I understand they might not have made the most money on a PSP/Vita Type-0, released in a reasonable timeframe. But why should we care about that? We should always push for the most out of these companies, otherwise we're not going to get it. They aren't going to respond to placidity. Their indecisiveness isn't my problem, and unless you own stock it shouldn't be yours.
BumblebeeCody
Member
Wow tha's so lame.
Because I see no reason to hate on them when they are giving me a far better version of Type 0 then I could have asked for.
artsi
Member
It contains at least all the cutscenes with hardcoded subtitles in them, so definitely.
Maybe due to the announcement of the fan translation coming out in August way back then, SE told their legal guys to send C&D in July and considered the matter taken care of.
And then the translation patch came out way ahead of schedule.
My tone has been rather aggressive, but it's not as if I hate SE. I couldn't have such a strong feeling for any big company; this decision just bemuses me. If they were going to C&D the unofficial translation, why do it now when there is practically no benefit to them doing so? If you're going to crap on the work of your biggest fans, you should probably do it before they put years of work into it and manage to release the bloody thing.
It just shows a rigidity and lack of basic understanding that SE has become famous for this last decade.
Opus Angelorum
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I'm going to send a cease and desist letter to Square Enix:
Please stop making games.
Please stop making games.
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