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Rise of the Tomb Raider timed Xbox exclusive for Holiday 2015 (No PS/PC, SE publish)
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boredandlazy
Member
The statement from the CD guy saying they still appreciate their Playstation fan base is insulting enough...
navyguy734
Banned
It's not ugly. It's actually logically sound. I want OG Tomb Raider to return, and the only possible way that happens is if it dies in this form.
Since there are zero games in the industry that play like OG Tomb Raider and a billion games that play like TR2013, I feel no problem whatsoever wishing that we get a return of the one game series that ever played the way OG TR did.
See, we're at the same points again. That's why I said we're going in circles. It's pointless to just keep going on the same points over and over.
fallen_dawn
Member
The poster you quoted listed it as an assumption, they didn't try pass it off as fact. In lack of other evidence, you can generally make assumptions. Is it reasonable? Quite possibly. The lost revenue from missing PC + PS sales will be massive, even if it is only timed.
navyguy734
Banned
EA Madden strategy? i remember sony being offered the same program, and are you equally made at sony with there exclusive deals with 3rd party developers. The hate and assumptions are crazy
the thing is, RoTR was a multiplatform title
and both MS and SE just take that away? of course we assume there's money involved
especially SE was complaining the sales of TR2013 not high enough bla bla bla
good move SE, way to make your own TOMB
Glorified G
Member
LOL, come on. No one isn't going to purchase this because of spite. Most people are upset out of principle of this (moneyhatting sucks) but it won't affect people's buying habits.
The people who are genuinely disappointed and was planning on buying this day one and doesn't have an X1 will be there when it comes to PC and PS4. I personally don't see the business side for MS. No one is going to purchase an X1 just to play this early. At most this will make ppl who already made up their minds on picking up an X1 more comfortable with their choice. Tomb Raider isn't a big enough IP to make a tangible difference.
Good business move for SE. They just end up getting more money. Uncharted was always going to be the premiere 3rdPS next holiday. Releasing this early next year or in the summer where there is a dead period and PS4 gamers are done with Uncharted makes too much sense.
People always question exclusivity deals.
The thing is no one wants this game to be exclusive to any platform, since you know, the first one in the new series came to everything but WiiU.
Completely different circumstances.
Dr. Kitty Muffins
Member
I cant say that i've ever cared for this series. But to some people this is still big I guess.
I question how much this type of move really accomplishes for MS and SE.
MS spent a ton of cash on this and I'm not sure this will do anything to flip more than a handful of PS4 purchases into Xbox ones. Tomb Raider isn't the type of title that carries that much weight these days and one game is never enough to make waves for more than a few weeks at best, in terms of console sales.
SE is going to have a ton of pissed off Sony fans for quite some time. More importantly, they crippled the sales potential of this title by excluding more than a hundred million potential customers (PS3, PS4, PC). By the time this game does come out, all hype will be down the drain and it will probably struggle to move a fraction of the copies it could have shifted if it had released at the same time.
Both companies should enjoy the afterglow of this deal as much as possible because the long term outcomes are going to be pretty disappointing.
navyguy734
Banned
The key thing to this is that you can say that for ANY exclusive that sony has... or is the missing revenue only because its a Xbox exclusive..
Kazenokatana
Banned
Shouldn't thread title get changed? Developer tweet makes it sound like a permanent exclusive.
Tomb Raider 2013 was like a middling summer blockbuster movie. You played it because it was there and you needed something to do. You didn't line up at midnight for it.
I don't see the new version selling a ton of systems, but it's not a bad way to strengthen a portfolio. Shitting on PS fans is shortsighted of Squeenix IMO, but who would expect anything intelligent from those clowns?
I don't see the new version selling a ton of systems, but it's not a bad way to strengthen a portfolio. Shitting on PS fans is shortsighted of Squeenix IMO, but who would expect anything intelligent from those clowns?
Mr Moose
Member
What exclusives Sony has? First party? What?
What tweet?
Xenon
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navyguy734
Banned
ton of cash...assumption, and considering how much money ms has, its a drop in the bucket.
Sont fans like any fan with forgive and forget...do i really need to list games that shunned certain systems and went there eventually?
Sont fans like any fan with forgive and forget...do i really need to list games that shunned certain systems and went there eventually?
Sum-Mischief
Member
I do own the xbox one .. However no big lost if it's exclusive or not.
navyguy734
Banned
Never saw this coming. Timed exclusive trivial DLC? Sure. The full game? Wah?
TR is a pretty huge franchise for SE. Maybe it didn't meet the launch sales figures that was expected, but the long term sales were pretty impressive. Most games tend to plummet after a few months. A serious amount of money had be exchanged for this deal; assuming SE did not undervalue TR. If this announcement was for the next Hitman game, it would've made sense for SE, and I'd probably just shrug.
If it's not a timed exclusive, it's gotta suck for the PS4/PC devs at CD and any other supporting studio (Nixxes?). I'm assuming there were redundancies.
Anyway, the sleazy/weaselly PR statement is amusing. I fully expect the game to be delayed by a quarter to two, like most XB1/PS4 games that were announced too early. Rise of Tomb Raider is coming exclusively, Spring 2016, on Xbox.
TR is a pretty huge franchise for SE. Maybe it didn't meet the launch sales figures that was expected, but the long term sales were pretty impressive. Most games tend to plummet after a few months. A serious amount of money had be exchanged for this deal; assuming SE did not undervalue TR. If this announcement was for the next Hitman game, it would've made sense for SE, and I'd probably just shrug.
If it's not a timed exclusive, it's gotta suck for the PS4/PC devs at CD and any other supporting studio (Nixxes?). I'm assuming there were redundancies.
Anyway, the sleazy/weaselly PR statement is amusing. I fully expect the game to be delayed by a quarter to two, like most XB1/PS4 games that were announced too early. Rise of Tomb Raider is coming exclusively, Spring 2016, on Xbox.
No, it's not, why are you being so obtuse?
This is not a first party game, this is a third party game which was multiplatform and most of the fans are on PS/PC (see sales). The difference is so big I don't understand how you are not able to see it.
reductive and wrong.
navyguy734
Banned
i did forget the WII U... my bad, 3rd parties shun them so much, they should be mad...not sony or ms fans to be honest
Such a pet peeve of mine. MS does not have infinite funds.
edit: And please stop posting over what you are quoting, it is confusing.
navyguy734
Banned
i should of specified, i meant 3rd party exclusive.... or did you miss that they had them?
Regret Upon Approval
Member
So this was the title Bruce hinted to a while back?
I guess we can't get him to chime in since apparently he is banned.
I guess we can't get him to chime in since apparently he is banned.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Was there a PR that said it was timed or something?
navyguy734
Banned
no company has infinite anything, but come on...compared to sony and videogame specific companies, there is no comparison.
Fornaximus
Member
Saw this before I left for work this morning. Been mad all day. I liked their game enough to pre-order on Steam and double dip on PS4. I'm feeling salty enough to not even buy it if it does turn out to merely be timed exclusive. I HATE this kind of moneyhat bullshit, and fuck SquareEnix for being so welcoming to it.
Stripper13
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This is my first post about the subject as I have only just caught up on the news.
I take issue with the fact that the game was almost certainly in development for every console under the sun - or at the very least, PC/XB1/PS4. Porting between these 3 systems has to be easier than ever (or at least, no more difficult than it was last gen).
So either SE approached MS, or visa versa, and they began talking about co-marketing deals etc and now we have an exclusive for XB1 only.
It makes sense that Uncharted and Halo are exclusive. The games would not have existed in their current forms if it were not for the exclusivity and marketing push of Sony/Microsoft. More importantly, they debuted as new IP's, on new consoles and are now synonymous with the console brands.
Something like Bayonetta 2 is exclusive because the game would not exist without the financial arrangement.
But I think it's fair to say that regardless of the SE account balance, the Tomb Raider sequel was coming to 3 platforms - and now it's not.
In any case, I actually really enjoyed the TR:Reboot and would have quite happily bought a sequel on PS4. At this stage I have zero intention of purchasing an XB1, and I am unable to purchase the TR sequel. Their loss I guess? I hope the Microsoft cheques are substantial.
Ganzlinger
Member
Wow, I just read about it. So is it permanent or timed?
PrivateWHudson
Member
Square should take that cash and do a Lara Croft Collection. Remaster all of the originals for the PS4.
That would make me happy.
That would make me happy.
TheDarkKnight774
Member
Wow. What an odd move. Is this a way generate a spotlight on the game and take money for SE while avoiding uncharted 4 that should be coming out around the same time?
I liked the first one but I can wait. It's not a game that move units. But hey that's just me
I liked the first one but I can wait. It's not a game that move units. But hey that's just me
YES PLEASE. CHECK PLEASE.
grosvenor_92
Member
Such a strange decision by SE. Still if the game is good and is a return to actual tomb raider I'll eventually get the game when it comes to PC
PanicFreak
Member
It's a terrible assumption though. No one would pay $100 million and only get timed exclusivity out of the deal. That would cover the cost of a game plus a mega huge marketing effort.
(S)he didn't pass the $100 million payment off as fact but that led to another assumption that Microsoft had foregone the development of at least four or five other games. The poster basically said that this project would force Microsoft to not invest in its own studios.
The poster could have said, "the money that they diverted to this project for timed exclusivity could have been better spent on the development of other games."
DaleinCalgary
Member
Oh well, saved me $60.
That game remastered with bug/control fixes would be great. I do not oppose this.
Sounds like that Yusuf tweet about TF.
you dont know that. it was never announced for ps4/pc
it was unveiled at the ms conference and got no mention from sony, it wasnt even in their list of e3 games.
No 100% definitive answer on that one way or the other. General consensus thinks timed, others convinced it's permanent. Time will tell.
Stripper13
Member
Almost certainly! Particularly if we keep seeing questionable exclusivity deals like this.
Swarming101
Member
To be honest, even if they announced that this game is going to come to PC and/or PS4 at a later date, I think I would pass. I no longer have any interest in supporting them.