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NPD Sales Results for August 2014 [Up4: PS4 #1, XB1 last week sales 2x last Jul week]

JNA

Banned
What's the big Sony game for the beginning of the year?

Bloodbourne. The Order also comes out the same month.

And since third party games actually make the biggest difference now a days, the Witcher 3 will do wonders on the PS4 as well.

Evolve is a question mark on where it will do best (not counting PC).
 

Busaiku

Member
Looks like people only got Mario Kart for the free game.
Also, other Layton games have had low debuts, cause they only had a couple days of sales.
Dunno what they ended up at, but I would think it's probably not too upsetting if it started out weak.
 

kinoki

Illness is the doctor to whom we pay most heed; to kindness, to knowledge, we make promise only; pain we obey.
What's the big Sony game for the beginning of the year?

Bloodborne. While it might not be a traditional system seller it's a internet sweetheart that will get many people who don't usually buy consoles to buy one.
 
Therefore mainly Nintendo plus a few publishers but very few of the main publishers then, since a surprisingly high percentage of publishers abandoned that market and quite early, there's a reason everyone talked about the lack of meaningful third party on Wii.

I doubt Ubisoft are celebrating the multi-millions lost from Just Dance, Activision are celebrating the multi-millions lost from Skylanders, Guitar Hero and Call of Duty, or EA are celebrating the multi-millions lost from Rock band or EA Sports Active.

THQ are now dead, so they can't miss the multi-millions lost from their titles.
 

BigDug13

Member
This guy right here. Though I doubt a port collection would push me over the edge.

It's tempting. The news months ago that flags for MCC were found in a Steam update has me doubting that this release will remain XBO exclusive for long. Otherwise I might have jumped in.
 

JNA

Banned
Bloodborne. While it might not be a traditional system seller it's a internet sweetheart that will get many people who don't usually buy consoles to buy one.

That and considering how big FS's Dark Souls franchise got, Bloodbourne is basically in AAA territory. The thing is gonna sell like hot cakes.
 
In a 2 horse race, where both horses have the same focus? No, I don't think it is.
I'm not sure what that has to do with whether focus strategies are viable as a generality. Or even in this instance whether focus strategies are viable. That there's two competitors targeting the same market simply means that one will presumably out-compete the other for that focus market. If you're arguing what Opiate is below, that's another matter, but it doesn't seem particularly clear.
Not directed at me, I know, but a couple responses.

1) Just 5 years ago, this didn't seem to be the fate of consoles. Consoles were the uncontested rulers of the gaming universe, and the expectation would be that they would continue to grow in to new market segments over time. It seems we've all essentially conceded that this isn't possible any longer. That's not just a change of expectations; it also really affects the long term strategy of the software publishers, and it's why they've all had to dramatically scale back the number of console releases.

2) I think focus can be fine, but I don't think the types of consoles Sony and Microsoft build are very well suited for that approach long term. Things like handhelds might possibly be capable of focusing on a particular demographic, because it's easier to keep production costs down. But the PS/Xbox consoles are built with the biggest, most expensive games in existence in mind. No, I do not think that lends itself well to a narrow demographic.

I think the only plausible method for consoles to continue along this path would be for the systems to have increasingly high cost of ownership. I think the better approach would be to try to win the "casual" consumers back, but it's probably too late to do that significantly this generation.
I don't necessarily disagree with much of anything you're saying. Consoles as they are have been out-competed. They've been disrupted, and the Wii, which first disrupted the market itself has been the most obvious and primary victim of this disruption.

Publisher response has been consolidation/blockbuster mentality.

Although, at the same time, I'm not sure whether it's premature to assume that a mid-to-late cycle shift in target market won't occur and/or won't work at all.

Anyway, I'm not particularly saying the dedicated console market is anywhere near as healthy as it was during the boom period of plastic peripherals and motion gaming. Just that hardware sales are relatively par for the course. Other factors obviously then come into play, like you mention in terms of budget escalation and therefore the need to increase monetization of the userbase.
 

BigDug13

Member
Bloodborne. While it might not be a traditional system seller it's a internet sweetheart that will get many people who don't usually buy consoles to buy one.

It's big enough. The thing is that Sony doesn't have to sway people purely with exclusives as badly because they have the more powerful system this time. Much like the 360 over the past few years had Kinect exclusives and "the best place to play multiplats like CoD" badge on their chest. Tables have turned.
 
OP should probably be updated to specify that Madden sold better on PS4 than XB1 even if you include bundles as we got that information in an official-esque capacity via Venturebeat

Whenever Nirolak pops back in
 
What about everything that has happened on the PS4 side of the brand?

Larger install base meaning more friends with PS4 among potential buyers. Better lineup this year than Killzone/Knack. Stronger Q1 2015 which will influence decision making as well, just like how Titanfall influenced early purchase of Xb1 even though it wasn't launch title.

Now, what I mentioned above is 100% subjective. But stuff doesn't exist in a silo, and different people have different views of what they think makes a larger difference than the other.
Oh I agree with you, it maybe will it may not im looking at it from both sides although I may not express it. Just looking here at this months sales is what pushed me to say yeah its possible X1 could top the holidays. I just have to becareful when saying because its touchy subject for some.
 
It's never updated with leaks.

How is that a leak?

http://venturebeat.com/2014/09/11/august-2014-npd-madden-sells-better-on-ps4-than-xbox-one/

Unsurprisingly, Madden topped the charts. Analysts were predicting earlier this week that the football game from publisher EA Sports would perform well and even give a boost to the Xbox One since Microsoft was selling a game-plus-console bundle at retail. The chart above does not include bundled games, but even if you include those, PS4 Madden still sold better. Madden may have done that, but the standalone version sold better on the PlayStation 4 (as you can see in the rankings in the parentheses by each game). Action-role-playing game Diablo III, which finally debuted on the new-gen consoles, also sold better on PS4.
 

donny2112

Member
Hopefully though I get the feeling that 3DS will be back in the dumps a few months after its launch. There's not much in the n3DS to get western audiences excited.

True. Software still sells hardware, so unless there's new software to power the 3DS/n3DS ecosystem, new system sales will only prop things up for so long.
 

kungfuian

Member
Some observations from the numbers-

The overall console market, in number of units, is contracting, likely due to the wii crowd moving on.

The curve of ps4/xbo sales appears front loaded, apparently due to pent up demand which has since faded

The front loaded nature of these numbers may also indicate longer term problems for these platforms, but it is unknown if the more casual audience end up buying into the ps4/xb1 platforms when prices come down or if the market will further contract because these customers never show up (too busy playing casual stuff for free on ipads, likely resulting in a shorter life cycle for those products)

No matter how u slice it Microsoft must be pissed at the xb1 sales
 

Percy

Banned
Damn... Madden did better on PS4 after all. Xbox One really is just running into a brick wall against that console.

Plants vs Zombies seems to have done shit business on PS4 though. That's good actually. Should send a message to EA about timed exclusivity on retail releases.
 

One4U

Banned
Tough job ahead for Phil. Xbox One is a pretty good console and I love it very much since day one, even prefer it more than PS4. But it seems most of customers are not convinced. MS needs to find a way to solve this issue.

From history, consoles with weak power can still win the competition such as PS/PS2/Wii. That proved the most important factor is still the games.

Phil needs to push the existing 1st party studios to make decent games and also try to build more 1st party studios.

Well, I don't expect X1 can turn to win against PS4, but there is still a remarkable market share for X1 to achieve.
 

ZSaberLink

Media Create Maven
n3DS next year should make it more interesting. Especially if cs can give a breakdown of how each sold. :D

Perhaps, but apart from the hardware itself, what software would drive sales here?

Things that could come out in 2015 on 3DS....
1. Xenoblade port
2. Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate
3. Bravely Second
4. Youkai Watch 1/2
5. Final Fantasy Explorers
6. Project Steam
7. Puzzles & Dragons Z
8. one of unlocalized DQ games (I'm starting to stretch here)?....

I'd actually think the biggest driver there (apart from the new & shiny factor) would be Bravely Second actually, and we're talking about a title selling around the same as a lot of titles did in 2014 so far (Yoshi, Kirby, etc.). This is unless something becomes bigger than I would expect in the West (Youkai, MH, etc.).
 
Ahh whoops, missed the Venturebeat part.

No worries, it happens

Can't wait for the November NPD.

Crows will be eaten.

In which direction?

Perhaps, but apart from the hardware itself, what software would drive sales here?

Things that could come out in 2015 on 3DS....
1. Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate
2. Bravely Second
3. Youkai Watch 1/2
4. Final Fantasy Explorers
5. Project Steam
6. Puzzles & Dragons Z
7. one of unlocalized DQ games (I'm starting to stretch here)?....

Majora's Mask HD???
 

Busaiku

Member
The software for 3DS this year has been really bad.
Last year there was big/semi-big stuff like every month.
This year, there were maybe only 4 retail games worth getting. And then stuff like Mario Golf bombed.
 

ZSaberLink

Media Create Maven
No worries, it happens



In which direction?



Majora's Mask HD???

on the 3DS? wouldn't it be 3D?

The software for 3DS this year has been really bad.
Last year there was big/semi-big stuff like every month.
This year, there were maybe only 4 retail games worth getting.

I'm honestly not sure what they could have done though without sacrificing the Wii U even further... or actually getting western third party support.

Feb - Bravely Default & Layton Azran Legacy
March - Yoshi's New Island
April - Disney's Magical World
May - Kirby Triple Deluxe & Mario Golf
June - Tomodachi Life
August - Layton vs. Ace Attorney
September - Theathrhythm Final Fantasy Curtain Call
October - Super Smash 3DS, Fantasy Life, Pokemon Art Academy
November - Pokemon ORAS, Sonic Boom, Lego Batman 3
 

donny2112

Member
7. one of unlocalized DQ games (I'm starting to stretch here)?....

DQVII will propel 3DS to new heights in the Americas!
Just keep telling NOA that, so they'll pay to translate it and bring it out over here. :p

Mario Strikers 3DS
Mario Party, Again!
MK7-2 featuring Lightning!
Super Mario 3D World 3DS (Now really in 3D! And with fog!!)
New Super Mario Bros. 2 DX (We got rid of that silly coin-collecting gimmick!)
3DS Sports (Swing your console like a tennis racket!)
3DS Fit (Stand on your console to weigh yourself each day! Well, at least it should work the first day!!)

We're talking major sellers here!
 

NateDrake

Member
I'm honestly not sure what they could have done though without sacrificing the Wii U even further... or actually getting western third party support.

Feb - Bravely Default & Layton Azran Legacy
March - Yoshi's New Island
April - Disney's Magical World
May - Kirby Triple Deluxe & Mario Golf
June - Tomodachi Life
August - Layton vs. Ace Attorney
September - Theathrhythm Final Fantasy Curtain Call
October - Super Smash 3DS, Fantasy Life, Pokemon Art Academy
November - Pokemon ORAS, Sonic Boom, Lego Batman 3

They had some digital releases too. But the lack of a single western third-party worth a damn that gives a shit about portables doesn't help. No portable Maddens or anything in recent years.
 

ZSaberLink

Media Create Maven
They had some digital releases too. But the lack of a single western third-party worth a damn that gives a shit about portables doesn't help. No portable Maddens or anything in recent years.

Well at least FIFA is making it to the 3DS?... That and Lego games pretty much are all the western third party support it gets apart from licensed titles these days (TMNT, Planes, etc.). It's pretty sad in all honesty =(. I think it gets Skylanders too, but I don't think folks want to play that on a portable.

If we're talking digital, Shovel Knight is up there for June...
 
They had some digital releases too. But the lack of a single western third-party worth a damn that gives a shit about portables doesn't help. No portable Maddens or anything in recent years.

Yeah, western devs have basically confirmed this round of portables that they really don't give a shit about portables, not on the pretty large 3DS userbase, nor when Sony extremely briefly seemed like they were trying to pony up for a couple of cash/partnerships whatever.
 

NateDrake

Member
Well at least FIFA is making it to the 3DS?... That and Lego games pretty much are all the western third party support it gets apart from licensed titles these days (TMNT, Planes, etc.). It's pretty sad in all honesty =(. I think it gets Skylanders too, but I don't think folks want to play that on a portable.

That is pretty much all the western support it gets. Compared to the GBA/DS days, it is non-existent. I still wish Capcom would release another Street Fighter for 3DS. I thought SFIV3D sold well.

The biggest challenge for Nintendo/Sony for next-gen portables will be bringing western companies back to the market. Release the mobile games on the digital stores for fair prices. None of that BS where the game is $0.99 on iOS but then EA charges $29.99 on the eShop for the identical game.
 
Oh I agree with you, it maybe will it may not im looking at it from both sides although I may not express it. Just looking here at this months sales is what pushed me to say yeah its possible X1 could top the holidays. I just have to becareful when saying because its touchy subject for some.

The big problem isn't the topic itself, it's how you frame your words about it. You originally said that the Xbox One is going to close the gap and that's the problem; closing the gap and topping the holidays are two different statements. It very well may close the gap this holiday but the two conditions are not one and the same.

For the Xbox One to close the gap by the end of the year, it will need to outsell the PS4 by 700K at year's end. The gap may have widened significantly already since Destiny has been heavily pushed for the PS4, so the Xbox One would have to outsell it by much greater than 700K to close the gap.
 
Last month: PS4 > XBO > 3DS > Wii U > 360 > PS3 > Death > Vita > Wii

This month: PS4 > XBO > 3DS > Wii U > 360 > PS3 > Death > Wii > Vita


See why it's boring? It's in that mid-range.
 
Last month: PS4 > XBO > 3DS > Wii U > 360 > PS3 > Death > Vita > Wii

PS4 > XBO > 3DS > Wii U > 360 > PS3 > Wii > Death > Wii > Vita


See why it's boring? It's in that mid-range.

whoa now, the Wii cheating death is hardly boring :p

(really though what's the Wii YTD, I'm mildly curious)
 
I'm not sure what that has to do with whether focus strategies are viable as a generality. Or even in this instance whether focus strategies are viable. That there's two competitors targeting the same market simply means that one will presumably out-compete the other for that focus market. If you're arguing what Opiate is below, that's another matter, but it doesn't seem particularly clear.

I'm partially arguing what Opiate was; its one of the three generics, and as generics they are not applicable to all markets at all times - for example a pricing strategy does not work with Veblen goods.

A focus strategy inherently assumes both a growing market and an unexploited niche within it to target, usually at a premium price point, as by focussing on the niche you must rely more on individual sales rather than volume.

Applying this condition to gaming, and for this strategy to make sense, you must infer that console gaming is and of itself a niche of gaming in general, and that your sales targets will therefore pay a premium for this focus, where the 'general public' in the industry will not.

The problem is that console gaming is not the high end enthusiast niche - that remains the domain of PC gaming - and that the targetted potential audience are willing to pay higher prices for their products accordingly, which historically has never been the case, either for hardware or software.

Console gamers have historically been shown to be extremely price sensitive to even small price discrepancies to their perceived norm - see the backlash on the PS3 launch pricing, or attempts by publishers to stifle the second hand market with things like Project $10.
 

Raist

Banned
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I doubt Ubisoft are celebrating the multi-millions lost from Just Dance, Activision are celebrating the multi-millions lost from Skylanders, Guitar Hero and Call of Duty, or EA are celebrating the multi-millions lost from Rock band or EA Sports Active.

THQ are now dead, so they can't miss the multi-millions lost from their titles.

Maybe not celebrating since some of those made some really good money, but the bulk of those publishers titles were aimed at PS360, so they're probably not sweating it either especially as some of those were multiplat making up some of those multi-millions, and those weren't just Wii-expanded-audience sales.

I guess Just Dance is probably the most valid one especially double-whammied by Kinect unpackaging. Skylanders is still huge without the strictly Wii audience as plenty of kids will still get it without the Wii-grandpa/soccer mom buyer.

Call of Duty may have sold well on Wii, but they probably don't care that much with how they are doing on last gen and current gen PS and XB combined and I don't remember them ever talking about COD Wii games when they did bring them out back then.
 

Ty4on

Member
Last month: PS4 > XBO > 3DS > Wii U > 360 > PS3 > Death > Vita > Wii

This month: PS4 > XBO > 3DS > Wii U > 360 > PS3 > Death > Wii > Vita


See why it's boring? It's in that mid-range.

I'm more interested in where the death cutoff is so I can officially say Vita means life.

Isn't WiiU more mid-range though? :p
 

GamerJM

Banned
Wii beating Vita really cements how bad that thing sold this month. Bless the hearts of publishers like NISA and XSeed, hopefully they'll continue localizing.
 
they're probably not sweating it either especially as some of those were multiplat making up some of those multi-millions, and those weren't just Wii-expanded-audience sales.

I think its a pretty big leap of faith to believe that the audience of people buying Rock Bands and Guitar Heroes on PS360 are going to stick around for the Killzones and Halos, but the audience that bought Mario Karts and NSMBWiis all ran off to get an iPad instead.
 
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