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[Mr. Smiley]

And now I wait for pre-load.

 

[lyrick]

It's not fair to criticize him for having legitimate concerns about Nintendo's terrible policies. As I've explained on her numerous times before (and can't be bothered to repeat), I had absolutely horrendous service via Nintendo UK customer support, and it was staggering just how terrible their entire system is. Long story short, it took me almost two months and properly issuing legal threats to get my legally purchased games back onto my Wii U system.

But there will always be defenders, so fuck it. Not worth arguing about.

How does any of this apply to the pre-purchase of Goods through the Web that's currently limited to North America?

 

[Krejlooc]

On mobile, so be patient.

Xbox 360: purchased digital goods are tied to both the account buying them, and whatever system the account is logged into at that time. The good can either be used when the account is logged in, or on the system of purchase by any account. This led to a lot of game-sharing

Xbox One: one account is set as "home" where digital goods can be used by any account, even offline. An account can log into ONE other system at a time, and all their purchases are good for use as long as they're logged in. When they log out, no more

PS3: you can have two systems activated for content to be used. There is a time-based activation/deactivation limit, so you CANNOT just log into any system you want whenever you want. You need to deactivate previous systems accordingly

PSP: gets lumped under "handheld" by Sony, and you can have two handhelds active at once, be it two PSP, a PSP and a Vita, or two Vitas. Logging into another device means wiping that device to a factory state (if it already had an account on it) and juggling activation limits.

PS Vita: see above

PS4: same as Xbox One

None of this invalidates what I said, it merely expands upon what I said with some finer details about the way their account systems work. The majority of this post sounds like I was claiming one could play with both licenses at the same time, something I didn't claim.

The account systems worked like I described.

 

[epmode]

On mobile, so be patient.

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And all of those things can be remedied on the consumer end without having to call a goddamned help desk. Even with these limitations, they're far preferable to Nintendo's garbage.

 

[Rich!]

How does any of this apply to the pre-purchase of Goods through the Web that's currently limited to North America?

The fact that america isn't the centre of the world? This is a system that I can log into via the eshop.nintendo link with my UK ID, and it's clearly a system that will be rolled out into this region.

Anyhow, my post was purely defending the guy. If you want anyone to moan at, moan at them.

 

[jon bones]

rad!

 

[Brashnir]

How does any of this apply to the pre-purchase of Goods through the Web that's currently limited to North America?

How does it not? You can't purchase the goods without being subjected to the faulty NNID system.

 

[Mauricio_Magus]

Give me preload and let me buy codes with my eshop money, right now this is useless for me.

 

[Gustaf89]

well, i just downloaded the nintendo id of a cousin to my wii u, this nintendo id was on my wii u back on july, and i unliked it, so he could link it to another cousin wii u, he never linked it, so i tried to link it to my wii u once again, and it worked.

im trying to upload the pictures i took, gimme some time

first, the wii u ask the info for the account, ID, Password, and Mail used

and then it asks you for confirmation

and there ya go, you can download unliked nintendo id to a wii u

 

[johnbone]

The entire premise of this thread is false to begin with, and the reason it's false is precisely the same reason my complaints exist. They're not some completely unrelated issues. All my "diatribe" is doing is keeping this thread on the first page in the first place.

Further, if posts outlining specific issues are "shitting a thread up," then the opposite are just as much. "baby steps nintendo" and "there was an account system in 2012." Sounds to me like we're simply not allowed to criticize nintendo's online policy.

If I had a history of doing this, sure, maybe you'd have a point. I don't, however. But you're telling me a topic about digital distribution and linked purchases isn't a place to bring up criticisms of the account system? And that it's appropriate for users to make vague insinuations about whether or not people own these systems in the first place?

"You probably don't even own nintendo hardware!" shits up threads like this far more than actual, legitimate complaints.

You are perfectly allowed to criticize Nintendo and their policies....
.....as long as the critique is directly related to the topic. Your complaints are about Nintendo's licensing policies, but this thread is about a single new feature-direct downloads. That's all I'm saying, I actually support your argument, I just think it belongs in another thread.

edit: I guess this is technically backseat modding, so I'll just drop it now.

 

[QuantumZebra]

Still no account system? No thanks.

There...is...an account system?

wtf?

 

[lyrick]

How does it not? You can't purchase the goods without being subjected to the faulty NNID system.

I'm sure you have the ability to create your own thread on your personal displeasure with Nintendos licensing system. I'm not sure where the need to Shit up this one is coming from.

Will you please stop posting unrelated personal complaints about Nintendos Licensing in this thread?

 

[Krejlooc]

Give me preload and let me buy codes with my eshop money, right now this is useless for me.

Speaking of preload and the install process, I absolutely hate the way nintendo's games don't install as they download. They reside in double the amount of harddisk space they occupy once installed. If you want to download a 7 gb game and install it, you need 14 gb to work with. 7 to download, 7 to install with. The PS3 worked like this too and it was infuriating. I don't have this problem with any of the Xbox consoles, and I've downloaded with seriously thin margins under steam. AFAIK the PS4 doesn't have this limitation either.

This is a problem because I have a 32 gb WiiU and I have two games digitally purchased - Sonic Lost World and Wonderful 101. I have about 6 gb left but I can't buy anything because I have no room to download to.

 

[Brashnir]

You are perfectly allowed to criticize Nintendo and their policies....
.....as long as the critique is directly related to the topic. Your complaints are about Nintendo's licensing policies, but this thread is about a single new feature-direct downloads. That's all I'm saying, I actually support your argument, I just think it belongs in another thread.

I'm sure you have the ability to create your own thread on your personal displeasure with Nintendos licensing system. I'm not sure where the need to Shit up this one is coming from.

Will you please stop posting unrelated personal complaints about Nintendos Licensing in this thread?

Thank you, backseat moderators.

 

[Bytes]

There...is...an account system?

wtf?

Don't start, or a couple of guys will use their "word of the day" on you.

And then they'll say that by "no account system" they meant "no account system that I like".

Edit: Getting back on topic, I think the pre-order functionality is really disappointing and useless as-is. Hopefully this is a step in the eventual direction of automatic downloading of pre-orders.

 

[POWERSPHERE]

The iceberg is moving!

 

[johnbone]

Thank you, backseat moderators.

You're welcome!

 

[ElectricKaibutsu]

I'm most excited to finally be able to gift games.

Games tied to account system in 3... 2...

Still no account system? No thanks.

Amazing.

 

[rpmurphy]

Don't start, or a couple of guys will use their "word of the day" on you.

And then they'll say that by "no account system" they meant "no account system that I like".

It's more "no account system that I find acceptable". There is an extremely short list of account systems that are actually good (meaning no DRM).

 

[Starwolf_UK]

I bought a 3DS at launch. The hinge wound up snapping in half. I eventually threw the thing away, and a couple of years later, I bought a new 3DS. Still remember all my login info for my NNID from my launch 3DS... can't get any of my old games. Everything I had digitally purchased from my original 3DS is forever gone. I need the serial number for the old system, which is now in some garbage dump, to redownload those games.

Ok, whatever, you say. I should have had it fixed or some other dumb bullshit. Since I didn't have it fixed, for whatever warped logic, I should be forced to repurchase my games. I've actually done that with Mario 3D Land - went out and rebought it (physically this time!)

OH but wait, yeah, those ambassador games? Can't access those ever again. Despite me legally owning them.

...yeah.

I'll make this quick and simple. The bolded is a Club Nintendo account. Now did you ever register the hardware with that? IIRC you used the console serial for that purpose.

In either case I would suggest phoning Nintendo to explain your situation just to hear if they can offer anything. Do try to give them as much info as you can for them to work with here. NOA have been known to bend over backwards on occasions here.

As for the serial number, the original box has it printed on, retailer receipts also have it listed.

If you've done all of that and it was still hopeless, I'm sorry. If you've not, please consider trying it.

...If you want to download a 7 gb game and install it, you need 14 gb to work with. 7 to download, 7 to install with...

Completely false. I have noticed at times the eShop demands I have more free space than the download (and installed game) actually takes up. But it is never 100% more, maybe 5%. I assume the difference is the space needed to install.

 

[El Sabroso]

I'm most excited to finally be able to gift games.

that's the feature I want to test if I can gift a CA code and redeem on MX account, that would save my digital purchases again for my 3DS.

 

[lyrick]

This also means that winners of maxcriden code giveaways can use the alpha site and have that game ready to go when they get home.

Also surprise post Direct releases (like NES Remix) will also be ready to go when we get off work.

For a company that loves to blindside their base with random releases (every weeks eShop offerings) this could be a cool timesaver.

 

[Sagitario]

The fact that it doesn't accept international CC makes it pretty useless for me

 

[Face it Tiger..]

There is an account system. All your purchase are tied to your NNIDs. So asking for an "account system" is a waste of time.

What you really want is a hardware-agnostic account management utility that lets you control which machines your account can access and transfer game licenses between machines.

If only Ninty made this jump.

 

[AcademicSaucer]

If they allow international cards , i will buy more from them, right now i have to import eshop cards.

 

[GameE]

Gifting YES

 

[sntstbn]

You can setup a Canadian account on your system just for the purpose of using the eShop. Any games purchased by either account, can be used by the other.

I recently created a US account and switched to it temporarily to redownload Hulu. Switching back and forth causes no problems.

I prefer to keep all games in a single account. I figure it might make things easier if I ever need to move stuff to a different system.

I have considered making a Mexico NNID with the sole purpose of having the Mexican flag next to my name in Mario Kart. It feels so wrong to have the US flag there. Specially if I happen to win the race.

 

[Krejlooc]

Completely false. I have noticed at times the eShop demands I have more free space than the download (and installed game) actually takes up. But it is never 100% more, maybe 5%. I assume the difference is the space needed to install.

Bullshit. When I got my wiiu and bought sonic lost world and w101 and tried to download them. I couldn't, not enough space. 32gb wasn't enough space to download and install two games at once. I had to download one, wait for the install file to delete, then download the other.

 

[Gustaf89]

Bullshit. When I got my wiiu and bought sonic lost world and w101 and tried to download them. I couldn't, not enough space. 32gb wasn't enough space to download and install two games at once. I had to download one, wait for the install file to delete, then download the other.

so anecdotal evidence versus anecdotal evidence

and by the way, i downloaded an unlinked nintendo id to my wii u

see post 259

 

[Rich!]

so anecdotal evidence versus anecdotal evidence

and by the way, i downloaded an unlinked nintendo id to my wii u

see post 259

If I were able to do that, I wouldn't have had the issues I had with Nintendo UK. I have hordes of emails saved between us, it's about as far from anecdotal evidence as possible.

Not quite sure how you managed it, if that's true.

 

[Gustaf89]

If I were able to do that, I wouldn't have had the issues I had with Nintendo UK. I have hordes of emails saved between us, it's about as far from anecdotal evidence as possible.

Not quite sure how you managed it, if that's true.

the anecdotal evidece part was about, one poster saying that you need 14gb of space to download a 7 gb game, and another saying that you don't

 

[Krejlooc]

so anecdotal evidence versus anecdotal evidence

He didn't even post anecdotal evidence.

 

[LegendofLex]

so anecdotal evidence versus anecdotal evidence

and by the way, i downloaded an unlinked nintendo id to my wii u

see post 259

EDIT: There was never anything preventing you from re-linking a NNID to a Wii U you had already unlinked it from (provided you didn't ever link it to another Wii U).

 

[bone_and_sinew]

Nintendo's account license system is so awful that it is a legitimate barrier for digital purchases. I refuse to buy any digital games as a result. I have a refurb console on the way, I'm not going to chance it dying and then me having to deal with that headache and potentially lose hundreds of dollars in purchases.

 

[Robin64]

so anecdotal evidence versus anecdotal evidence

and by the way, i downloaded an unlinked nintendo id to my wii u

see post 259

Because it was the same Wii U. That ID was created on that U, so even when you unlinked it, it was still the only one it could be relinked to. If you cousin had tried to link it to a new Wii U, it would not have worked.

 

[Krejlooc]

You just did this? Was this NNID ever previously linked to this Wii U console? Did you ever have to contact Nintendo customer support? I'm seriously tempted to mess around with a dummy account to see what happens now.

He unlinked an account from a wiiu then relinked it to the exact same console.

 

[Rich!]

Because it was the same Wii U. That ID was created on that U, so even when you unlinked it, it was still the only one it could be relinked to. If you cousin had tried to link it to a new Wii U, it would not have worked.

So basically it's nothing apart from what we already knew, it doesn't solve the core issues at hand.

 

[diaspora]

There is an account system. All your purchase are tied to your NNIDs. So asking for an "account system" is a waste of time.

What you really want is a hardware-agnostic account management utility that lets you control which machines your account can access and transfer game licenses between machines.

If they had the intellectual capacity to understand what your post is saying they wouldn't be making "account system pls" bullshit posts.

 

[Robin64]

So basically it's nothing.

Exactly. Same as always and not entirely useful, if at all.

 

[LegendofLex]

He unlinked an account from a wiiu then relinked it to the exact same console.

Because it was the same Wii U. That ID was created on that U, so even when you unlinked it, it was still the only one it could be relinked to. If you cousin had tried to link it to a new Wii U, it would not have worked.

Yeah, I re-read the post again and it's clear this wasn't a case of self-service transfer of an account to a different console.

So basically it's nothing apart from what we already knew, it doesn't solve the core issues at hand.

Yup.

If they had the intellectual capacity to understand what your post is saying they wouldn't be making "account system pls" bullshit posts.

And likewise if Nintendo understood that what people want from an "account system" is more than simply fixing your purchases and save data to a user name and password--they also want off-device self-service utilities for managing content and authenticating logins across multiple devices--it might have actually been that way from the beginning?

 

[Gustaf89]

Exactly. Same as always and not entirely useful, if at all.

why it would matter if it was the same wii u?

 

[Rich!]

why it would matter if it was the same wii u?

Because that's common knowledge that doesn't solve anything. Obviously your stuff will still work with the console it is tied to - that's the entire issue!

Try selling your Wii U. What then? You're fucked. Your NNID is permanently linked to that console, and you cannot use it on any other, even if you unlinked it. Goodbye to ALL of your digital purchases forever, unless you go medievil on their asses with legal threats like I had to.

 

[Robin64]

why it would matter if it was the same wii u?

Because it means the game purchased on that NNID are locked to that Wii U. You can't remove the NNID from yours and put it on another Wii U to redownload those games.

It's Nintendo's normal console locking procedure masquerading as an account system.

 

[LegendofLex]

why it would matter if it was the same wii u?

Right now, until you get Nintendo customer support to authorize your NNID for registration on another Wii U, all that "unlinking" the NNID does is remove access to it from the console. The NNID is still technically registered to the original Wii U where it was created (only accessible on that Wii U), unless it is linked to another Wii U (through customer support).

As you showed, you can still use your original login info to access the account from the original Wii U where it was created by "relinking" the account to that console. But unlinking the account does not allow you to relink the account to another Wii U.

 

[Krejlooc]

why it would matter if it was the same wii u?

Because the "gotcha" retort to calls for a proper account system is that there technically exists an account, its simply locked to the hardware. The complaint is that the technicality is functionally equivalent. you are trying to prove the account isnt locked to said console... by linking to the same console. You havent demonstrated what is in contention.

 

[Starwolf_UK]

Bullshit. When I got my wiiu and bought sonic lost world and w101 and tried to download them. I couldn't, not enough space. 32gb wasn't enough space to download and install two games at once. I had to download one, wait for the install file to delete, then download the other.

Well I was able to download Pikmin 3 despite only having 100mb more free than the eShop asked of me which makes it clear that you don't need 100% more space.

Not sure what was going on with the two games you were downloading.

 

[Rich!]

Right now, until you get Nintendo customer support to authorize your NNID for registration on another Wii U, all that "unlinking" the NNID does is remove access to it from the console. The NNID is still technically registered to the original Wii U where it was created, unless it is linked to another Wii U.

yep.

imagine my surprise when I bought a new Wii U and tried signing into my NNID only to be told it was still linked to the original console even though when I sold the console I unlinked my NNID using the option in the menu and stupidly assumed it would actually UNLINK it from the console. But no.

I then phoned Nintendo support, and basically got told to sod off, and to try getting my console back from whoever I sold it to. Yes. They seriously said that.

proof:

Thank you for your email regarding the transfer of your Nintendo Network ID (NNID) to your Nintendo Wii U console.

Unfortunately if you have replaced your Nintendo Wii U and did not book in your Nintendo Wii U for a system transfer, then you will not be able to retrieve the data. Data can only be transferred from a Wii U console to another Nintendo Wii U using our repair service. The NNID is tied to your eShop account which has all your eShop purchases.

We urge anyone in this position to quickly contact the shop/seller you exchanged your console in, to see if they still have your Nintendo Wii U console.

We can confirm that there is currently no tool to transfer between 2 Nintendo Wii U consoles at home. You can send both consoles directly to our Service Centre and we will perform a transfer for you, this is a free of charge service.

If you manage to get hold of your original Nintendo Wii U, both consoles can be sent in for a transfer you can do so by calling us on the number below and we will provide you with a pre-paid postage label for each console.

Obviously eventually after weeks of complaining and threatening them, they gave in. So all of their reasoning is complete bullshit. They can do it. The system is there. They just won't do it. Absolutely infuriating.

 

[Gustaf89]

Right now, until you get Nintendo customer support to authorize your NNID for registration on another Wii U, all that "unlinking" the NNID does is remove access to it from the console. The NNID is still technically registered to the original Wii U where it was created (only accessible on that Wii U), unless it is linked to another Wii U (through customer support).

As you showed, you can still use your original login info to access the account from the original Wii U where it was created by "relinking" the account to that console. But unlinking the account does not allow you to relink the account to another Wii U.

well, fuck me gently with a chainsaw

 

[Datschge]

Therefore, you can do all those steps when the game is released. While you can have it auto-download for games that are already released, pre-orders still have to be manually activated.

So Nintendo obviously can't link games to NNIDs before they are out. Implementing a way to let users redeem codes before that point and execute that automatically on release day would be the next step.

Most of the account posts are drive-by at best anyway. They know exactly what they're doing

They are driving straight into my ignore list.

 

[Cosmic Dreams]

Imagine the horror of trying to download the wii u version of smash on release day though...