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[Nirolak]

It appears we are getting some new hardware based upgrades as well.

These are not the power or CPU based upgrades shown so far.

"To get the full support of DX12 will users need to get a new graphics card?"

To get the "full benefits of DX12," Ybarra replied, "the answer is yes."

"There will be DX 11.1 cards that take advantage of a lot of the driver and software tech that we're bringing in Windows 10, but if you want the full benefits of DX12, you're going to need a DX12 card."

The confusion seems to lie in the difference between full support of DX12 features and support of some DX12 features.

When I went back to Microsoft to get a better sense of that difference a company spokesperson told me that there are a handful of rendering pipeline features that are new in DX12 that we will be outlined at GDC. They added: "The power and frame rate wins we demonstrated come from improvements in CPU usage in the OS runtime and device drivers. And this was on DX11 devices."

Source: http://www.polygon.com/2015/1/22/7874793/directx-12-wont-require-a-new-graphics-card-after-all

 

[BeEatNU]

buyers of 970/980 are going to be pissed.
In hindsight, it will be awhile for windows 10 to come out right?

 

[Nirolak]

buyers of 970/980 are going to be pissed.
In hindsight, it will be awhile for windows 10 to come out right?

I think it's targeting ~September-October-ish?

 

[R3TRODYCE]

I guess I should delay buying a GPU then.

 

[TC McQueen]

buyers of 970/980 are going to be pissed.

Why? All the 900 series cards are designed to support the new exclusive DX 12 features.

 

[OminoMichelin]

Can't wait to buy a new GPU

Spoiler

in 2016

 

[diaspora]

390x where art thou

 

[Adry9]

A new graphics card is looking like a great thing to get next christmas.

Why? All the 900 series cards are designed to support the new exclusive DX 12 features.

Did you read the whole post?

 

[Objectively Bad Opinion]

390x where art thou

Q2 2015 per AMD's CEO

 

[Dictator93]

Why? All the 900 series cards are designed to support the new exclusive DX 12 features.

It is not apparent yet if it supports ALL DX12 hardware GPU features. In fact, this question was super hardcore dodged on the PcPperspective stream yesterday.

 

[djplaeskool]

Edit:
Questions seem pretty deftly dodged.
Guess we'll have to wait for GDC

 

[intheinbetween]

Pretty sure the 970/980 are DX12 compatible.

I thought the same, both are being sold as DirectX12 GPUs..

 

[funkypie]

Its not even a big deal. Games are still using direct x 9c... it will be years before games start using only d12 or taking massive advantage of it.

 

[Nethaniah]

Why can't they just say what cards support everything, honestly the weirdest hardware related thing in ages imho.

 

[Nirolak]

Why can't they just say what cards support everything, honestly the weirdest hardware related thing in ages imho.

It's not unfeasible none of them do and thus the ones that do aren't announced yet.

 

[BrokenIcarus]

Ugh, hate that you have to have a specific OS AND a specific GPU to have access to new features of the API, as a developer that fragmentation is just horrible, even though I don't develop for DirectX.

 

[Nethaniah]

It's not unfeasible none of them do and thus the ones that do aren't announced yet.

Then why not say that? They seem to be beating around the bush to what seems to be a very easy question, the fact that there are already games in development on DX12 would make it seem that it's far enough for this to be known.

 

[Syf]

Thinking the new line of DX12 cards will be when I make my new build. I'm excited to see what's coming.

 

[Objectively Bad Opinion]

Then why not say that?

The same reason why they'd say their GPU has 4GB VRAM and not 3GB.

 

[Heigic]

Why can't they just say what cards support everything, honestly the weirdest hardware related thing in ages imho.

Surely if they are supported it would have been said by now. Beginning to think they are hiding the info so 970/980 sales aren't affected.

 

[KojiKnight]

It is not apparent yet if it supports ALL DX12 hardware GPU features. In fact, this question was super hardcore dodged on the PcPperspective stream yesterday.

Releasing a DX12 card a year before DX12's likely release doesn't bode well for it however.

 

[TC McQueen]

Surely if they are supported it would have been said by now. Beginning to think they are hiding the info so 970/980 sales aren't affected.

Who knows, maybe there's some retarded contract BS that keeps them from saying anything until after Microsoft announces things for DX12.

 

[Nirolak]

Then why not say that? They seem to be beating around the bush to what seems to be a very easy question, the fact that there are already games in development on DX12 would make it seem that it's far enough for this to be known.

So as not to lower sales of existing cards.

 

[Nethaniah]

So as not to lower sales of existing cards.

Expected but scummy nonetheless.

 

[bj00rn_]

It's a good thing that I already put into my plan to buy a new GPU for Oculus Rift CV1 when I bought my 970 then

With that said, I doubt any user out there will miss these new DX12 features for a couple of years or more yet.

 

[TC McQueen]

Surely if they are supported it would have been said by now. Beginning to think they are hiding the info so 970/980 sales aren't affected.

I don't think this would hit 970/980 sales too much, given the amount of folks with GTX 400-600 cards who were looking to upgrade anyway and saw that the 970 was a great value card. If anything, it would hurt the 960, which is shit for anyone who isn't playing MOBAs, last gen console ports, and indie games.

 

[Azure J]

I wonder when AMD's going to have some DX12 MXM 3.0 laptop cards ready by...

 

[Seanspeed]

buyers of 970/980 are going to be pissed.

I won't be. I was never under the illusion that my 970 would have full DX12 support, nor is my card any less of a great deal in terms of price for performance because of it.

 

[kutthoat5150]

Didn't they say 900 series cards have full dx12 support? So it was just a bunch of bs then

 

[spared]

I guess I should delay buying a GPU then.

I totally am.

 

[Dictator93]

Didn't they say 900 series cards have full dx12 support? So it was just a bunch of bs then

that is the key word. I would ahve to go read their press releases. "fully supporting dx12" vs "supporting full dx12" is unfortunately subject to horrible duplicitous marketspeak.

 

[IamSuperman]

I can´t wait

 

[stan423321]

Expected but scummy nonetheless.

There will be a game released in 2025 that will be not compatible with any GPU on market today, yet those scummy GPU manufacturers keep selling them. What a bunch of bastards.

 

[Caayn]

buyers of 970/980 are going to be pissed.
In hindsight, it will be awhile for windows 10 to come out right?

Why? I was fully aware that DX12 was standing right around the corner when I bought my GTX 980.

I never expect full compatibility for hardware that's older than a standard.

 

[Crimsonclaw111]

So the 770 won't be fully supported by directx 12? I thought I read before that they were.

 

[Nethaniah]

There will be a game released in 2025 that will be not compatible with any GPU on market today, yet those scummy GPU manufacturers keep selling them. What a bunch of bastards.

I'm not expecting my own GPU to be compatible with anything DX12 related, still, would love know.

Not sure why such a sarcastic post was needed, do you?

 

[Dictator93]

So the 770 won't be fully supported by directx 12? I thought I read before that they were.

They support dx12s CPU end stuff. Not its new hardware features. That is what the OP is talking about.

 

[FordGTGuy]

So the 770 won't be fully supported by directx 12? I thought I read before that they were.

DX12 features will be available on older cards but 100% of the features will require a actual DX12 card.

 

[SMOK3Y]

My TITAN is crying 😢

 

[riflen]

Why? I was fully aware that DX12 was standing right around the corner when I bought my GTX 980.

I never expect full compatibility for hardware that's older than a standard.

What? Get out of here with that reasonable shit. Why aren't you outraged that nVidia engineers can't see into the future, while also pretending it would have changed your purchasing decision if nVidia hadn't lied to your face?

 

[twobear]

'Compatible' and 'fully supports' have always had this kind of distinction, I'm not sure why this is suddenly noteworthy.

 

[Nirolak]

So the 770 won't be fully supported by directx 12? I thought I read before that they were.

DirectX 12 games will work. You just won't get all the newest graphical features.

 

[brain_stew]

buyers of 970/980 are going to be pissed.
In hindsight, it will be awhile for windows 10 to come out right?

Why? They support more DX12 features than any other cards on the market.

 

[kitch9]

There will be a game released in 2025 that will be not compatible with any GPU on market today, yet those scummy GPU manufacturers keep selling them. What a bunch of bastards.

If you asked them that question, chances are that you would get a straight answer.

 

[stan423321]

I'm not expecting my own GPU to be compatible with anything DX12 related, still, would love know.

Not sure why such a sarcastic post was needed, do you?

I simply see nothing scummy about selling overstock and avoiding over-announcing.

 

[Nethaniah]

I simply see nothing scummy about selling overstock and avoiding over-announcing.

Good for you.

Really unclear as to how not answering a question that has been on the minds of people for quite some time is over-announcing but w/e.

 

[The_Dama]

How will DX12 work on the Xbox One?

 

[Kezen]

Is the Xbox One GPU fully compatible with DX12 ? Read : does it have the DX12 hardware features ?

 

[BennyBlanco]

Pretty glad I held off on the 970.

 

[BennyBlanco]

Is the Xbox One GPU fully compatible with DX12 ? Read : does it have the DX12 hardware features ?

Phil Spencer is saying on twitter that xbone supports all dx12 features but I don't see how that could be true.