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Ready at Dawn responds to "concern" over The Order: 1886 campaign length
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Imru al-Qays
Banned
Yeah. Having a cinematic, story-based game is fine, but to do that you need to give the story room to breathe.
The people comparing The Order to Fallout or whatever are idiots. But The Order seems short even by the standards of short, linear, cinematic Sony exclusives.
neogaf is just as untrustworthy as any other site. especially during the prerelease and release hype. its not until a few weeks after launch when we get a real impression of the game not spoiled by hype and shilling.
Air Zombie Meat
Member
I get that concern trolling is a thing but I hate how it's resulted in this idea that having concerns is unreasonable.
Yep.
Yep.
-tetsuo-
Unlimited Capacity
I initially played through more than half of Ryse at a friends house. It happens.
I also have a full time job and I think paying $70CAD + tax ($80) for 5-7 hours of content is a waste of money
Grayfox341
Member
It's not the length that has me concerned about The Order. Nothing about it seems exceptional. Standard third-person shooting wrapped in an ultimately disappointing story. I'm not sure what there is to defend. I appreciate graphical showpieces, but that novelty wears off quickly. It's not that The Order is five hours long, but that it doesn't do much within those five hours.
Agreed, you cannot judge the cost of production by the length of the game. Most people would agree that tiered pricing for 'new' games is terrible contemplation - it will never EVER happen. I'd hate to be on the team to try to make that work anyway - it'd be ridiculous!
Pricing would have to come during the alpha/beta stages, reviewers would be vying for first rights of those betas which would probably limit, if not eradicate public betas, and hate/favoritism towards certain reviewers would be exponentially higher than it is now - especially if a game doesn't meet or exceed it's tier of pricing.
It's fugly just thinking about it, but so was Ru Weerasuriya's reponse.
Interfectum
Member
This thread is now longer than The Order.
MilesWebber
Member
Then wait for a price drop I guess. Or don't buy it. No one is forcing you to buy it on launch.
matrixman92
Member
people will spend more time in this thread complaining about the length of the game, than the actual length of the game
EventHorizon
Member
Dev costs have little relationship to the perceived value of a game. If the public views the value of The Order at $20 then that is its value. My guess is that sales for the game will quickly drop off and the price will fall on EBay due to lots of players wanting to trade it in. It'll get down to $20-$30 a lot sooner than you think.
That makes no sense. The YouTube video is not an opinion. It is a fact. Anybody can go view it for themselves and see that it was a normal playthrough that took 5.5 hours. It's like you see an explosion in the distance but won't believe it until some "reputable source" tells you there was an explosion.
KennyLinder
Member
Is the game any good?
Is the shooting of high quality?
Does it have exciting, memorable moments and set pieces?
Does it have a solid framerate?
It looks amazing, but we don't really know any of the above until it's out there properly, and if none of that lot is checked then it's length is irrelevant.
Is the shooting of high quality?
Does it have exciting, memorable moments and set pieces?
Does it have a solid framerate?
It looks amazing, but we don't really know any of the above until it's out there properly, and if none of that lot is checked then it's length is irrelevant.
Well played. The buzz is overblown for a QTE simulator.
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Deleted member 17706
Unconfirmed Member
I don't believe he said that anyone was. Just that he doesn't feel the reported length is worth the launch price.
I don't think that's what he means. The person is rather general. It also doesn't make sense. If it's the same guy, why does it matter if it's reputable or not? If I can see the chapters and their numbers to go along with each video, then how is that any different than a media outlet doing it?
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
It doesn't take five hours to read yet, so it's totally not worth my money.
didn't this get changed to 8-10 hours?
Pop
Member
Why even waste your time posting in a Order thread.
The game won't be 5 hours, but keep it up guys.
keltickennedy
Member
I beat Ryse in one sitting and had a pretty good time. Though I had the most fun playing the Arena Co-op with a buddy.
Man...I wish The Order had Co-op Gears of War style. We are due.
SunBroDave
Member
The problem isn't that the story in The Order is short, it's that it's crap. Games like The Last of Us or Bioshock Infinite that are on the shorter side but great stories could be worth the $60 asking price. The Order is not even in the same realm of quality as those stories.
TrojanBlade
Member
Is this the Eurogamer review summary?
I bet this is the summary of most reviews for The Order. RAD brace yourself for a rough week but I hope the sales are good to reward them for their efforts.
TheChocolateWar
Member
As a rather educated bankruptcy attorney who handles chapter 11 business reorganization and capitalization, I do not see a tiered pricing scheme as being a bad thing, or even something that would necessarily be implemented in the alpha portion of the game. Pricing is largely determined by the publisher, and happens as a result of what the board of directors for the publishing house feel they can get for the game. The idea that a developer determines pricing is wrong and shows a disconnect with business. The only way a developer impacts price decisions are how effective and efficient they are at producing content on a budget.
A tiered pricing system would be good for consumers, since it would hold publishers more accountable for their bottom line, and it would increase marketplace competiveness. We would see publishers asking developers to consolidate efforts and not overspend on certain things. (Like spending too much on voice actors by the line and not having enough capital for more worthwhile stuff. DESTINY I am lookin at you kid.)
What would be nice is if Congress passed a consumer protection reform that required board of directors to post production costs on each units clearly on the outside of the package, so we consumers would know just how much they are ripping us off.
Not that this is necessarily happening in this case.
keltickennedy
Member
Did you play it? (Serious question)
If anything Sony is the best company to reward devs for their efforts.
yeah I get that, I just think if they are going to charge that much for a game it should offer more content. I'll pick it up when its $20
kunonabi
Member
Games get tacked on mp and fetch quests because developers are incompetent or lazy and publishers think that crap results in more sales anyway.
SunBroDave
Member
I don't have a PS4, but I'm super into writing so I watched the playthrough that was on youtube last night. I made it about half way before I got so bored I just didn't care anymore (I read up on what happens). Avoiding spoilers as this isn't the thread for that, so I'll just leave it at "the story's got major problems."
Iva Demilcol
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Baroquemantic
Member
Jesus, almost every single The Order thread is embarrassing.
Gaf threads are not for circle jerking. If you don't like the quality of a post PM a mod but don't try to tell people their opinions are useless because they have a dissenting opinion. That's the problem with hyped games on the Internet. There can never be any criticisms even if they're legitimate. In this case the fanbase of the order is a vocal minority. No one wants to pay full price for a barebones game.
You know, I have went out and had dinner for two that put me out for over $60. Have I ever thought anything of it? Not as long as the food was good and I had a pleasant time over the course of a couple of hours. As far as I am concerned, I got what I paid for in such cases.
At this point I just want the game to be enjoyable, despite the length. And based on what I have seen, it will be for me. But I certainly understand how it might not be worth it for others unless they rent it or pick it up on the cheap down the road. Perhaps not even that much. That's great and that is your right to exercise such judgement on behalf of what is right for you.
What gets me is all this talk about it being a ripoff or a perfect example of the sad state of the AAA industry when people buy games like this. That is just complete and utter nonsense. There is room at the table for all sorts of games and it is merely up to you to decide what is worth it or not. It will be for some and will not be for others. Thankfully, we have a hell of a variety to pick and choose from. That is all there is to it.
At this point I just want the game to be enjoyable, despite the length. And based on what I have seen, it will be for me. But I certainly understand how it might not be worth it for others unless they rent it or pick it up on the cheap down the road. Perhaps not even that much. That's great and that is your right to exercise such judgement on behalf of what is right for you.
What gets me is all this talk about it being a ripoff or a perfect example of the sad state of the AAA industry when people buy games like this. That is just complete and utter nonsense. There is room at the table for all sorts of games and it is merely up to you to decide what is worth it or not. It will be for some and will not be for others. Thankfully, we have a hell of a variety to pick and choose from. That is all there is to it.
loaf of bread
Member
I don't know why people still think cinematic = bad or bad gameplay. People do realize that stuff like Bayonetta and Vanquish are cinematic games right?
-MD-
Member
I don't recall Vanquish or Bayonetta being particularly cinematic. You had direct control over your character throughout almost the entire game.
Exploratory
Banned
You're missing my point. I'm saying if you don't make noise about this kind of thing it keeps happening. The gaming industry is reactionary. By saying "Hey this game shouldn't do this" that cuts down on that type of game.
This game is like everything people complain about in modern gaming distilled into one single game. The idea that people are surprised or confused about why people have a problem with it is ridiculous. It's obvious.
-tetsuo-
Unlimited Capacity
No. No they do not.
loaf of bread
Member
Thats not what cinematic means though. Everyone has this idea that Cinematic = no gameplay, push forward to progress cutscene etc. when its not like that. Fighting enemies on Chronos's hand? Cinematic. Fighting enemies on top of a jet plane? cinematic. 100 man battle or Fighting that fat guy on top of the yellow tower in Shenmue 2? Cinematic.
Tainted
Member
You're missing my point, I'm agreeing with your both that it makes no sense. I was simply playing devil's advocate with my comment. There are many people in this thread dismissing PlayMeThrough's video / playtime on the basis of him being a random youtuber.
Like I posted earlier, I've already watched the playthrough and I agree that it shouldn't be dismissed because of who he is...or more accurately isn't)
Interfectum
Member
Really? I don't even see many games like The Order. Every AAA game that gets released now involves chasing icons on a map, climbing a tower to open up more icons and chasing those.
If anything The Order seems like a breath of fresh air.