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Ready at Dawn responds to "concern" over The Order: 1886 campaign length
- Thread starter DarkLordMalik
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Let's see their videos then.
-MD-
Member
He's known for speedruns? Source?
And the dudes telling us about his truth video in the thread. Time is the only thing that is real.
Louis Cyphre
Banned
8 hours isn't too bad but how long is it if you could skip the cut-scenes?
Deduct cutscene time from that and you're looking at 8.5 hours for a combination of hard and normal modes. We also don't know how they played.
I did the same math myself, it's basic arithmetic but don't bother. The people on the board that keep bring up the issue of length vs cost don't actually care. It's been explained to them already and they never want to acknowledge it. It's just a point for them to say it in some drive by argument and then not stay for any actual discussion.The people that want to hate a game for length are only concerned with the hate, not anything else.
Northeastmonk
Gold Member
Imru’ al-Qays;152364674 said:
Get it on PSN like I did. You get it at midnight, no wait, just install it, and it's wonderful.
Looked like a normal playthrough to me and he was also unlocking trophies for the first time. Also, most people don't give a shit about collectables and "soaking in the atmosphere".
Gaffers might not be lying, but a lot of them admitted that their times weren't completely accurate. They may have went for a break and forgotten to account for that.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Is there anything edited out of the Youtube video?
LookAtMeGo
Member
I read that playmethrough did a spiderman and another game i forget the name of speedrun. I think it was the other thread. Let me look. Not saying it was a speed run of The Order though.
Last Hearth
Member
Really, you have "no choice" whether to buy this game or not. You aren't "allowed" to wait until reviews are out to buy it? Do you live in North Korea?
Are these serious posts? Like are we defending people who watch a gameplay segment on youtube and all of the sudden, their opinions are valid when it comes to game length and gameplay impressions? Jesus christ GAF.
Edit: for the record I havent played it but I wouldnt state such an opinion as "the game is shit" or "its too short". smh.
WordsintheWater
Member
Maybe they don't have the means to record their playthroughs, but you guys realize all of them can be right, right? It comes down to how an individual plays, and what they do while playing. I believe that no one is actually lying about their completion times, I don't see why all those gaffers would especially when there's a couple who have had a mixed reaction to the game, why would they lie about it?
SargerusBR
I love Pokken!
In the end all that matters is the replay value.
WordsintheWater
Member
Dude that was all sarcasm, his whole post was haha
loaf of bread
Member
Why does it matter, its still significantly more than this 5 hours shit everyones on about.
In any case, I don't know how you could even call that a speed run. It's not like he held up on the thumb stick the whole time or anything. Looked like a normal person playing.
Journey also doesn't have 2 hours of cutscenes. The total gameplay of a "quick run" of
The Order 1886 (including QTE) is about 3 hours. $60/3 = 20$/hour of third person cover shooting/a bit of exploration.
I also agree that judging the value of a game from purely length is stupid, but after reading impressions, this game doesn't seem to be anything special. imo it doesn't look like it will be worth $60 to most people. I will probably give it a rent.
Louis Cyphre
Banned
On a more serious note, is there a review embargo?
You should have known from the absurdity of the post hes trolling
Sony warriors trying to trick us into wasting money?
Erm, yes he was rushing. He went out of his way to ignore each and every single collectible, viewable or readable item, and didn't waste any time moving from area to area, omitting pretty much any form of additional exposition or exploration. It was a literally bare bones, no frills, straight to the checkpoint type of affair. You couldn't get any quicker unless you knew the encounters off by heart, and ran through the entire game.
But you keep pretending that the 6 or 7 GAFers who've completed the game and posted their times are all lying or exaggerating, or that Ready at Dawns own internal testing is also all made up and wrong, because it suits your favoured narrative.
-MD-
Member
Curious, have you watched the footage yourself or are you going off what others are saying about it?
WordsintheWater
Member
Nope, really don't think so, if you don't want to believe the ones who praised the game then how about those that have said they didn't enjoy it as much. There's a junior in the impressions thread who's name eludes me with a Bravely Default avatar who doesn't feel too hot on the game and he still said his play through took 10 hours. I just don't think all of them are lying or are crazy. They have a different play style that's all.
The Oder is not an interactive movie. It's a videogame with game play.
People who genuinely don't care about game play and want interactive movies should go bother the movie studios with that. Games are games. Developers shouldn't be limited to what type of games they can make on a console.
How funny of you to say this seeing how you think QTE's is not playing a game.
Love to hear what you think about David Cage's game design.
If collectables don't actually effect the gameplay in a tangible way, it's perfectly reasonable to avoid them to gauge an accurate gameplay time. I'm sorry if you don't agree to that sentiment.
The Shogun
Banned
Holy damn, 5 and a half hours and Cut scenes being almost half of that entire play time?
My goodness, not so sure this thing looks like its worth the $60 admission price personally. Game may be solid but that's a lot of cash for so little gameplay. Seems more like something that should be $20
WordsintheWater
Member
Yes, it's up on Thursday at 8 am
I didn't get that at all. They spent plenty of time just wandering around picking up ammo. I didn't know that any playthrough of a game that didn't include picking up the collectibles and "soaking the atmosphere" was a speed run. In that case, I've speed run the majority of the games I have ever played.
Megatron
Member
By then you can't sell it in a couple weeks when you're done with it.
Large chunks of it. Many of the chapters of which I've seen numerous other players play through as well, all taking longer.
I never said it was a speed run, I said it was a rushed play through that would not be indicative of average GAFer play through times.
TheChocolateWar
Member
So we ARE supposed to include game padding when discussing play time? I though a lot of the advocates for shorter games were saying padding is bad? Even if it is ten hours to 100%, that seems a bit short. No scratch that, absurdly short.
LookAtMeGo
Member
Fair enough. I just see 5.5 being the low end of the spectrum. Most will probably get 7-10hrs. But thats just an approximation I came up with because I trust some of the gaffers with longer playtimes. I dont thinks its fair to just run with the narritive that everyone is going to get 5.5 hours out of it.
Considering we don't know how the Gaffers played, in that they probably have a large percentage of collectibles, the game is still potentially on the short end and definitely not a full 10 hours.
I love great games. I don't care if they are long or short as long as the story is amazing. But usually the short games are released with a lower price. Personally I dont think that the price or the length itself is an indicator of quality. On the other hand it's a bit disappointing when you pay 70 Euros for completing the game in one evening. I guess some folks here are stating some strange points about the length of the game.
While I am the type of player who looks for collectibles which are worth looking for because they add to the story/atmosphere/whatever, there are plenty of games which contain useless collectibles. Some of them even try to add to the main story itself, but in some cases the story is just a bit too weak so I don't feel like it is worth to find every newspaper or collectible. What I am trying to point out is that I think you can't actually say that the game is much longer than 5-8 hours because the Youtube reviewer did not collect all the items etc. . Completing the game on 100% and soaking in every single scenery does not portray the average time to beat this game. This is always something you do additionally when the story really gets you and you really want to have more background knowledge. And this is only the case for collectibles which are not useless 'get 100 of this for the platinum trophy' fillers. It would be great if one of the guys, who already played this game could comment on the types of collectibles in this game.
Keeping this in mind it seems very odd that some people argue that this game is necessarily 14 hours long because you could play on hard, collect every collectible and replay some section just for the sake of soaking in every bit of atmosphere. You could possibly do that with every 3 hour long boring ass game, but the question is if it is worth it. Nobody (except for the minority who actually played it till now) knows, so it's kind of narrow minded of the supporters and the critics to act like it's a fact that this game is worth it or not. You can only make assumptions about it.
Personally I cancelled my preorder. I don't have the feeling right know that this game is worth the 70 bucks, since I read about some flaws concerning the story. I would rather get it for 20-30 or rent it atm. But when the reviews are here and the game turns out to be a fantastic game worth to explore for 15 hours I would directly buy it. I'm looking forward to play this game whenever it will be but I just can't stand when people act like this game is 10/10 and worth the money/ 0/10 and horrible before the game actually came out.
Anyway: tl;dr right?
While I am the type of player who looks for collectibles which are worth looking for because they add to the story/atmosphere/whatever, there are plenty of games which contain useless collectibles. Some of them even try to add to the main story itself, but in some cases the story is just a bit too weak so I don't feel like it is worth to find every newspaper or collectible. What I am trying to point out is that I think you can't actually say that the game is much longer than 5-8 hours because the Youtube reviewer did not collect all the items etc. . Completing the game on 100% and soaking in every single scenery does not portray the average time to beat this game. This is always something you do additionally when the story really gets you and you really want to have more background knowledge. And this is only the case for collectibles which are not useless 'get 100 of this for the platinum trophy' fillers. It would be great if one of the guys, who already played this game could comment on the types of collectibles in this game.
Keeping this in mind it seems very odd that some people argue that this game is necessarily 14 hours long because you could play on hard, collect every collectible and replay some section just for the sake of soaking in every bit of atmosphere. You could possibly do that with every 3 hour long boring ass game, but the question is if it is worth it. Nobody (except for the minority who actually played it till now) knows, so it's kind of narrow minded of the supporters and the critics to act like it's a fact that this game is worth it or not. You can only make assumptions about it.
Personally I cancelled my preorder. I don't have the feeling right know that this game is worth the 70 bucks, since I read about some flaws concerning the story. I would rather get it for 20-30 or rent it atm. But when the reviews are here and the game turns out to be a fantastic game worth to explore for 15 hours I would directly buy it. I'm looking forward to play this game whenever it will be but I just can't stand when people act like this game is 10/10 and worth the money/ 0/10 and horrible before the game actually came out.
Anyway: tl;dr right?
Imru al-Qays
Banned
Couple of hours.
Aren't those the same thing? That playthrough looked to me as if an average person picked up the game and played through it.
Tainted
Member
The collectibles are just padding though, and don't really contribute towards the true gameplay time. From what I could tell, there isn't really alot of opportunity for exploration...the game pretty much funnels you from one area to the next in a linear fashion.
Personally, I cannot see where the extra 4-5hrs gameplay is coming from. This is why I'm highly suspicious of the YT video (The fact that it wasnt pulled down and there are seemingly no attempts to pull it down). I'm really starting to think there was content removed from his videos....but this is something which cannot be confirmed until release.
So it sounds like there are other playthroughs up on Youtube then? Have any of them finished posting the whole game?
Ingame deaths.
Good enough. Thanks for posting
sindbadthesailor
Member
8 to 12 hours isn't bad at all. Anything less than that is 'wait for massive price cut' territory though.
Anywa, Ready at Dawn should have stuck to making games for handhelds.
Anywa, Ready at Dawn should have stuck to making games for handhelds.
Wow, really? I guess it's better than Sony Ponies.
I would be genuinely curious at what people would deem as an appropriate length for a game vs cost.
It seems people are fine with 2 hours for $15-$20 dollars, $60 for 10 hours. By this process, I guess people might be good with $100 dollars for a game that clocks in at 20 hours? Because I think most people would not be ok with paying more than $60 for any game, even one that gives hundreds of hours of gameplay. Yet if the argument for people is that if a game is short they should pay less for a game, then the argument that they should pay more for a game that is very very long is outside the realm of possible for people? Why would a this logical argument not work with people? and if it doesn't then why does the argument that a games length should determine it's price?
OneEyeTwoHead
Banned
Holy shit.
Northeastmonk
Gold Member
After a couple years you don't have to re-buy a copy because you sold the other one. You can go back to your Library and replay it.
Have a console with some games for once. After it's said and done you get to keep your copy.
LookAtMeGo
Member
But playmethrough is not an average person, he/she has insanely fast playthroughs/speed runs of The Amazing Spiderman 2 and Bioshock infinite on their Youtube channel.
Louis Cyphre
Banned
This might be one of those games where it pays to wait for reviews before committing. It seems like such a polarizing game on the forums and I am curious if the reviewers are going to take public perception into consideration.
Dynamite Ringo Matsuri
Member
This has now become the Too Human thread redux. All we need now is for Ru or Andrea to register and draw a line in the sand for those who are for or against The Order. I really hope those who've shown an interest in this game have done a little sleuthing to see how it actually plays, cause after personally breaking down and checking out some of the youtube walkthru and then hopping into the spoiler thread to confirm some things
Well... The 20th is gonna be a pretty interesting day for all involved :l
Well... The 20th is gonna be a pretty interesting day for all involved :l
Because...?
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