Support NeoGAF

[4Tran]

Come one Bruce, they knew full well that the KS would bring in a helluva lot more than $2m. If that's all they really wanted, they should close the KS and stop accepting any more funding... I wonder if they will now that there's official funding from Sony.

The rate at which a game is funded, how much money it gets, and the number of backers will all be factors into things like the scope of the final game, budget, and development team size. This information is the difference between a full blown Shenmue game and something a lot more modest. Now that the game is fully Kickstarted, any potential backers will only give the team money if they want to. So there's absolutely no reason for Suzuki to shut down the Kickstarter. Note also that all big Kickstarter projects work this way, so it shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone.

 

[AzureTranquility95]

Physical release pretty much confirmed, now.

 

[amstradcpc]

Right? People have lost it.

yesterday people complained because Sony wasnt part of he funding.Whatever, but we will have Shenmue 3,that is the most important thing.

 

[Compsiox]

I'm so happy this isn't coming to the other console. Like I said many times before, the more PlayStation 4 exclusives, the better.

Why does someone like you have to share the same first name with me.

 

[pastrami]

You guys are insane.

You guys are acting like this is Sony's own project. It's not. It's through Third Party Productions, the operative words being third and party. You aren't giving Sony money, you are giving Suzuki money. So what if Sony is providing support?

Adult Swim picked up our gaffer Jobbs game, Ghost Song. Should we all call him a sellout now and demand our kickstarter money back? What's the problem with Bloodstained, Yooka Laylee and Shenmue 3 having publisher backing if successful? Now, I agree that they should be transparent and upfront about that (similar to H-Hour where they clearly stated the kickstarter was to develop a prototype to shop to publishers), but I don't get the outrage.

 

[Kevinroc]

I'm not surprised. This is exactly what I thought would happen.

 

[MatrixMan.EXE]

it's coming through "third party relations program"

this does not meet definitive exclusive



why

Sony is bank rolling the game. It is not coming to Xbox.

 

[Dizzy]

At least if Sony is putting the rest theres some security to it. I'm just happy to have Shenmue 3 finally. It didn't seem like it was going to happen any other way.

 

[Mr_Antimatter]

I'm just saying, let's stop being disingenuous. If Sony JUST wanted to gauge interest, then that experiment is over. The interest is there. Cancel the kickstarter.

But Sony also wants the money from the people so they can spend less. Money that they possess as of this very moment themselves to use.

(For the record, before someone calls me out, I hold this opinion with every Kickstarter that goes for external funding, not just this one)

How about a nope here. Anyone can 'express interest' but that doesn't mean jack if they don't put their money where their mouth is.

And that's what the kickstarter is for. That and some nice swag for higher tiers.

 

[Meaty]

ha. Yeah no, unless they get 50 million through kickstarter that isn't happening.

If the interest is high enough sega itself can choose to publish it, or a major third party instead of sony.

 

[Salsa]

I didn't hear anyone complaining that Deep Silver did this for Mighty No. 9 and Bloodstained.

deep silver:

- publisher

- not limiting anything

- allegedly no deal before kickstarter

sony:

- platform holder

- makin it console exclusive to theirs, thus;

- deal before kickstarter; denies it on stage

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

I'm somewhat okay with them using KS to gauge interest, what I'm not really okay with is if they don't close the KS now that there's offiical backing.

It's already sitting at $2.7m, it'll probably $3m by the morning and who knows where it could go if they don't close it.

How they mkve forward is key. I'm not a fan of games using KS to spread the development costs out to gamers when there's a publisher/backer behind the project.

That's pretty underhanded in my opinion. KS should be for games that genuinely struggle to receive funding, not to gauge interest in a game before a publisher commits to a project.

I agree with all that. They should definitely close it

 

[Hikami]

I hope this means we get a Shenmue 1/2 release on PS4.

Probably already answered but I didn't read past the first page.. but on kickstarter it says

The property rights for Shenmue 1 and Shenmue 2 belong to SEGA, so we are not in a position to comment on that.

I'm hoping this means they're able to work something out with Sega though. Really interested in this series and I wouldn't just be able to jump in to the third game.. Though I'd be okay if they just put some sort of movie re-cap if Shenmue 1/2 re-releases aren't possible.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I think the problem people have is Sony wasn't upfront about helping out with development.

If you could not figure that out by them giving Yu the platform at the biggest game trade show in the world... then that is on those people, not Sony.

No company is fully transparent, and never will be. Competition.

 

[entremet]

They can show how much they don't support it then by not supporting it.

The faux outrage is hilarious.

Having a different opinion about how big game publishers acquire funding is not outrage.

 

[Reset]

I'm so happy this isn't coming to the other console. Like I said many times before, the more PlayStation 4 exclusives, the better.

lol...
How can it be a PS4 exclusive when it's on PC?

 

[hawk2025]

Complain away.



We still get Shenmue 3.

 

[MrCunningham]

So can they now take care of the subtitle translation? That still seems like such a silly strechgoal for a game that has publisher support.

Not if they are working with a fixed budget. Kickstarter could still easily cover the costs for a lot of things, including paying employees for translations.

 

[LegendofDragoonLives]

I think I was pretty reasonable with my argument. If you read my posts in the Salsa thread, you should know I was happy for having Shenmue 3 either way, and I still am. I just think that KS should be about making things happen that otherwise wouldn't, and not allowing major companies to ask people for money to check market viability, while coming forward with the info that they're funding the game one day later. Then again, this is just my opinion, and KS should be whatever it wants or it can be, as it's a great tool most of the time.

And I never had an Xbox in my life, lol.

This wouldn't have happened otherwise. I'm not going to find a random post you made elsewhere but the one I quoted sounded incredibly petulant. Sony wasn't willing to fund it and neither was anyone else through other means. Instead, Sony now funds it and gamers that play on PC and PS4 get to play it, exactly as stated on the Kickstarter page.

Not everyone is willing to put money if there is gauge of interest note on the kickstarter, but maybe that might have made you happy if it was written at the top of the page, people then didn't put their money where their mouths is and the game doesn't get made.

 

[Stone Ocean]

Of course not. I don't contribute to any kickstarter

So you care about this because...?

 

[Kane1345]

Totally OK with this. Shenmue 3 is being made, thats what matters

 

[gundamkyoukai]

It's not like gamers haven't been asking for this for years, not sure why there would be any doubt...

Asking for something is easy .
Putting your money where your mouth is a whole other ball game.

 

[Jingo]

I dont mind this aprouch, games are costing more than ever, this is a good way to know if people are interest and they can get the game anyway at a good price(shenmue 3, 29 dollars) if this is the way to bring some classics back on track, count me in.

 

[Mendax]

Yet it's still releasing on PC? Why?

pc is not a competitor to ps4

So you care about this because...?

probably "ethics in video games"

 

[AmuroChan]

Yet it's still releasing on PC? Why?

My guess is Sony gets the profit from the PS4 version. Yu's company gets the profit from the PC version.

 

[Russell]

Why does someone like you have to share the same first name with me.

Why do you ask stupid questions?

 

[loaf of bread]

If the interest is high enough sega itself can choose to publish it, or a major third party instead of sony.

You have no idea what you're talking about. Its not a free for all.

 

[Metal B]

Fans have been begging for this title for years. It's either back it or never see it. I'm sure true fans will back the damn thing.

Sony used this demand to get money from those fans. There nothing else but "whales", who pretty much bought a game for much more then the normal price.

 

[djplaeskool]

Now, if Shining Force IV happened, I'd be even happier.

Camelot is stuck in the Mario sports ghetto

 

[Trago]

I am forever grateful Sony. Credit where it's due. Feels like anything is possible after this E3 now.

 

[Reule]

Obviously, you can't make a game like Shenmue with two million dollars. I really hope no one is really angry at what should've been obvious. Good on Sony though, I'll buy the finished project. Is there any chance to get a re-release of Shenmue 1 and 2?

 

[Rocked]

My respect for Sony has gone up so much has today.
My respect for Nintendo dooooown.

Bizarre though, a shenmue without Sega!

 

[Falchion]

It makes sense for Sony since they have no risk on the front end. Look for this to happen more with older franchises.

 

[ironcreed]

I think it is amazing that the fans get to be a part of 'kickstarting' the project for a game that they have wanted for so long. This gets it off the ground and now Sony is going to step in with the bulk of the funding. Maybe even more than they originally intended since the response was so overwhelming. There is nothing shady here at all.

 

[RPGamer92]

You guys are insane.

You guys are acting like this is Sony's own project. It's not. It's through Third Party Productions, the operative words being third and party. You aren't giving Sony money, you are giving Suzuki money. So what if Sony is providing support?

Adult Swim picked up our gaffer Jobbs game, Ghost Song. Should we all call him a sellout now and demand our kickstarter money back? What's the problem with Bloodstained, Yooka Laylee and Shenmue 3 having publisher backing if successful? Now, I agree that they should be transparent and upfront about that (similar to H-Hour where they clearly stated the kickstarter was to develop a prototype to shop to publishers), but I don't get the outrage.

This reminds me of when Facebook bought Oculus and everyone raged about that.

 

[Sticky&Sweet]

Is this sarcasm I can't tell anymore

How could anybody construe my post as sarcasm?

Excuse me for showing a little concern about the integrity of the Kickstarter platform.

 

[Poop!]

Awesome, so excited. Sony is truly a force for good in the games industry, as far as I'm concerned! I really hope we can meet those stretch goals too.

Since they are funding so many PC games, they are my new favorite. I already backed the PC version.

 

[AyaisMUsikWhore]

I'm somewhat okay with them using KS to gauge interest, what I'm not really okay with is if they don't close the KS now that there's offiical backing.

It's already sitting at $2.7m, it'll probably $3m by the morning and who knows where it could go if they don't close it.

How they mkve forward is key. I'm not a fan of games using KS to spread the development costs out to gamers when there's a publisher/backer behind the project.

That's pretty underhanded in my opinion. KS should be for games that genuinely struggle to receive funding, not to gauge interest in a game before a publisher commits to a project.

So how does that explain Kickstarters that do get picked up by publishers? Explain how that makes this any different?

 

[Barryman]

Crowd-funding as marketing hype machine.

 

[Corto]

Yeah, but it's Shenmue 3. Who do they expect the audience to be for a third game in a long dead franchise which is right in the middle of its story arc? Besides the hardcore fans who just bought the game? This game could either be a great template for future games, or it could be disaster which kills a lot of these types projects. There needs to be 1+2 HD port for sure.

Absolutely! But that's on Sega's hands I presume... Maybe Sony could use some of their money to buy Sega's right for the franchise? Or maybe Sega will finally wake up and release them themselves.

 

[MassiveNights]

You can be cynical about this all you want but last night was great. Thousands of people rushing to lay down their own cash to help fund something they've pined for, for ages.

Let's be honest, you can only say "the interest was obviously there" with hindsight.

Was it? Would you be willing to bet millions of dollars on that?

Shenmue & its hanging on fans had become a point of ridicule.

Last night and today has shown there's definitely an audience for this and to be honest a Kickstarter is the best way I think they could have demonstrated that.

It's also great because the fans feel ownership and a part of this now.

Yu Suzuki is fucking RUDY.

 

[Y2Kev]

I want Suzuki to have as much money as possible. I don't think Sony is giving him a lot so I'm happy to still contribute to make it as good as possible.

 

[davidwhangchoi]

Complain away.



We still get Shenmue 3.

+100

 

[Ash Sparrow]

Its Shenmue 3 i'll take it. I just wish the kickstarter thing was more transparent

 

[Ushay]

Well there goes any hope for an Xbox version. Shame really since that's where the game started out.

 

[KillerSloth]

OMG this place is like being in an insane asylum, but most of the patients are all hard core gamers and likeable except a few. Been a nut house here the last 2 days I love it LOL> A kickstarter for a game everyone wanted being backed by a big publisher is a bad thing now what?

 

[KoopaTheCasual]

Even if they don't close the KS, i think they should definitely update vague things like the FAQ about an XB1 version. There should no longer be ambiguity to make it sound like "maybe" and outright say this is a Sony subsidized project and is locked to the designated platforms.

If that simple change is made to the KS, i think they would side step any drama.

I think we created this beast. Polls have to be proven to be bullshit and not enough people are actually coming through.

With KS people are coming through. These KS backers are a lock.

Backing 10k is huge but only reserved for like 4 guys. I'm sure though are huge fans who can also miss this amount of cash, and might've done it also if this option was there as a pre order outside of KS. They get one time stuff and meet YS.

Wasn't there an incident where fan outcry got a sequel to Darksiders, which promptly bombed?

I think scenarios like that scared the shit out of publishers.

 

[Lightning Count]

This is the best thing that could happen, Shenmue will get the full budget they need and the backing of the most successful console maker in terms of extra development teams.

 

[Ithil]

SO, kickstarter enabled the game to be made in the first place. and served as a literal kickstarter to the development which is what its supposed to do.

why all the complaining then? salt?

Corporations are bad!

 

[Doctor_Thomas]

Um how does this answer my question? they could say "If the Kickstarter is successfull we will help with funding and developemt of the game"

"We have no faith in this product at a corporate level and you need to prove you want it" would be an awful way to present a game that people care about.