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[BossDarkseid]

Rewatched the trailer, and man, as awesome as it looks I can't help but wonder if it will get released in the next 5 years. The CG quality is right up there with Advent Children, however the amount of content required is tenfold. And that doesn't even include the actual gameplay, which we haven't seen.

The CG looks quite a bit beyond Advent Children.

To be honest on a decent schedule if we assume they've been in pre/production for about a year....or even 6-12 months then another 2-3 years is just fine. They've got a lot more riding on this but conversely that'll mean if Lord Nomura doesn't feel it's up to scratch we won't get it but he said he wants to release it as soon as possible.

I think SE would try to move heaven and earth to have it say christmas 2017 but it'll probably be early/summer 2018.

 

[c-murph]

Well, people keep saying Konami is dead. They're alive, but they're dead. What does that even mean? Also, if a new Suikoden wasn't a thing, let's be honest, I'd be having your tears rather than you having any words.


Please be excited.

About all that can be said.

Ugh, Probably be iOS if anything.

 

[AmanoBuff]

I liked Zack's death CC, a bit overdone, but I was never a fan of his original death at the hands of like 3 regular dudes.

If Zack was a SOLDIER first class, I would imagine he could take on a few dudes. Also I like that he hides Cloud. Where as in FFVII the guys who killed Zack just left Cloud to die, big mistake guys.

I honestly liked how they handled Zack in CC. I can see why Verendus liked the regular FF version of Zack's death in VII, but I think that in CC they fully developed the character and thus made his death even more painful.

I think the whole game succeeds precisely because of this. They nailed the gravitas of his fate and how deeply it touches so many characters in the FFVII universe. You don't look at FFVII the same way after playing CC.

And the entire art direction of that ending is just perfect.

I don't, sorry. I only knew about SaGa and World of FF.

No problem. I still hope and even partially expect XII HD comes to Vita. The Vita is the only console that has been actually mentioned every time someone at SQEX has talked about the possibility of the remaster, and X/X-2 HD along with the two games you mentioned makes me believe that a potential XII HD will be there as well.

Thanks for your reply anyway!

 

[The Mad Draklor]

Why is that a bad idea? I bought a Wii-U for Xenoblade Chronicles X, that's not out yet.

Well, Xeno X is an excellent game from what I've heard from those who've played it already and definitely justifies a Wii U purchase.

I just find it kinda silly to buy a console just for one game because once you're done with that game, what next? Maybe it's just me, but I always run by the philosophy of buying a new system for multiple games so I can get maximum value out of my purchase.

 

[Makoto Yuki]

Eh, I don't think it's that controversial. It's a dark scene that is meant to be seen as something wrong.

Now Cids abuse angle is something I can see them changing and I'm fine with that. Have him bitter but not abusive.

I hope they still keep some of the abuse angle, tone it down obviously. It only made the revelations that she was trying to fix the O2 tanks more gut wrenching for Cid. Hopefully they flesh her out as well since the man goes on the marry her in AC.

Edit: or was it DC where it's mentioned that they get married? I forgot.

 

[GenoScreams]

Had to look up the part where Cloud beats up Aeris because I didn't remember it either. And here it is

 

[Joqu]

With this being so far off I gotta say I hope S-E has plans to remaster Crisis Core and maybe throw in Before Crisis as well, I never got the chance to play these. I'd play CC on Vita if I could but clearly that's not an option. :l

I'd say the same about Dirge of Cerberus but that's supposed to be a pretty mediocre game right? It would be pretty amazing to be able to play everything FF7 alongside the remake on one console though.

 

[Makoto Yuki]

With this being so far off I gotta say I hope S-E has plans to remaster Crisis Core and maybe throw in Before Crisis as well, I never got the chance to play these. I'd play CC on Vita if I could but clearly that's not an option. :l

I'd say the same about Dirge of Cerberus but that's supposed to be a pretty mediocre game right? It would be pretty amazing to be able to play everything FF7 alongside the remake on one console though.

CC is the only game worth playing in my opinion. Can't comment on BC since I've never played that. A Final Fantasy third person shooter sounds novel, but DC isn't very good.

I would rather they just incorporate elements from the extended universe into the Remake, minus Genesis. Unless they can make Genesis less flowery with his tendency to read a play excerpts before fights, ugh..

 

[Kain]

Had to look up the part where Cloud beats up Aeris because I didn't remember it either. And here it is

What the hell, that doesn't look like a beating, he looks like he is hitting the ground or something.

The dialog suggests he is beating her but couldn't it be a bad translation case?

 

[Inuhanyou]

The biggest tell for me is that the Buster Sword Cloud has in the trailer is the original one, not the one from the compilation.

Er, are you saying there is a different FF7 buster sword in compilation to the one in the trailer shown here, or are you confusing his new sword in AC for the original buster sword??

 

[Isayas]

What the hell, that doesn't look like a beating, he looks like he is hitting the ground or something.

The dialog suggests he is beating her but couldn't it be a bad translation case?

Your 3rd party member had to get Cloud off her.

 

[Skilletor]

What the hell, that doesn't look like a beating, he looks like he is hitting the ground or something.

The dialog suggests he is beating her but couldn't it be a bad translation case?

I always thought he was beating her. Never seemed ambiguous to me.

 

[DieH@rd]

The CG looks quite a bit beyond Advent Children.

Yes. But the question remains, will FF7R be able to surpass Advent Children in some aspects? I'm not talking about scenes like this, but more like characters, smaller environments, fights [if they are gonna be more like in AC].

 

[The Last One]

Er, are you saying there is a different FF7 buster sword in compilation to the one in the trailer shown here, or are you confusing his new sword in AC for the original buster sword??

I think he's talking about this

 

[YankeeDonB]

I can totally see it going up against the new Mass Effect.

Hmm, something like Fall 2016 then. It could be an interesting matchup. What little I've heard about ME4 makes it sound more about exploration than story, which makes me skeptical, as that was always the worst part of ME for me.

Hoping XV can keep,a strong narrative focus despite huge areas and relative freedom.

Wonder how that's going to work in 7R too, given that the original is a very linear experience pre-airship, but presumably they're going to open up the environments.

 

[Joqu]

CC is the only game worth playing in my opinion. Can't comment on BC since I've never played that. A Final Fantasy third person shooter sounds novel, but DC isn't very good.

I would rather they just incorporate elements from the extended universe into the Remake, minus Genesis. Unless they can make Genesis less flowery with his tendency to read a play excerpts before fights, ugh..

Man, I wasn't even aware DC was a proper third person shooter, guess that shows how much I really know about these side games. That actually makes me want to play it more though!

 

[Lindsay]

Had to look up the part where Cloud beats up Aeris because I didn't remember it either. And here it is

The worst part of this scene is Cait Sith coming back immediately after sacrificing himself. I know its just a robot body and all, but him being there adds nothing to the scene an makes an actual upcoming death a tiny bit less impactful? I'd rather Cait Sith didn't get reintroduced until the part where he busts Barret outta the whole gas chamber press conference.

 

[Monochromaticx]

What the hell, that doesn't look like a beating, he looks like he is hitting the ground or something.

The dialog suggests he is beating her but couldn't it be a bad translation case?

yeah it looked like he shoved her to the ground then started pounding the ground. I never thought he was "beating" her

 

[Wazzy]

yeah it looked like he shoved her to the ground then started pounding the ground. I never thought he was "beating" her

It's very obvious with the dialogue he attacked her. But what I find interesting about the scene is how everyone doesn't know how to react. They're shocked and worried and yet Aeris, the one who just experienced it, handles the situation calmly so they can avoid Cloud breaking down.

I hope they still keep some of the abuse angle, tone it down obviously. It only made the revelations that she was trying to fix the O2 tanks more gut wrenching for Cid. Hopefully they flesh her out as well since the man goes on the marry her in AC.

Edit: or was it DC where it's mentioned that they get married? I forgot.

Obviously the whole backstory is sad but it's not something I find well done with the abuse angle, especially with Cid being one of the heroe's and the fact it's never properly called out.

I think him being bitter towards her is okay, him cold shouldering her is fine but him yelling and swearing at her wasn't cool and really uncomfortable and I say this as a huge Cid fan.

 

[Fou-Lu]

So uhhh... Who is Verendus, why does he know so much, and what is this 'list' people keep mentioning?

Though thanks for the info, I am really glad to know they want to incorporate Zack more. He is the best thing to come out of the compilation of Final Fantasy VII.

 

[Lindsay]

Obviously the whole backstory is sad but it's not something I find well done with the abuse angle, especially with Cid being one of the heroe's and the fact it's never properly called out.

I'd like it to be called out as well, but alot of VII's heroes are messed up. Cloud/Barret/Tifa killed how many innocent people blowing up reactors? Vincent was a Turks so who even knows what dirty crap he did. Yuffie is a thief who may not be so harmless considering how ya first encounter her. Cait Sith takes lil Marlene hostage. That just leave Aeris and Red XIII as being like the only innocent heroes of the group.

 

[Wazzy]

I'd like it to be called out as well, but alot of VII's heroes are messed up. Cloud/Barret/Tifa killed how many innocent people blowing up reactors? Vincent was a Turks so who even knows what dirty crap he did. Yuffie is a thief who may not be so harmless considering how ya first encounter her. Cait Sith takes lil Marlene hostage. That just leave Aeris and Red XIII as being like the only innocent heroes of the group.

They definitely aren't innocent characters but my problem is more when you have such a huge sensitive issue like abuse, you need to properly address how bad it is. It just comes off really poor in the original that it's constantly being defended by the victim even if it turns out it's worse because Cid was wrong for blaming her.

 

[Mikey Jr.]

I will straight up trade in my PS4 for a FF7 PS4.

There has to be one. There just has too. I cant even imagine that it would look like. I assume probably just the meteor?

And I have never bought special editions of video games, but I WILL buy one for FF7.

 

[Cagey]

I will straight up trade in my PS4 for a FF7 PS4.

There has to be one. There just has too. I cant even imagine that it would look like. I assume probably just the meteor?

And I have never bought special editions of video games, but I WILL buy one for FF7.

God help my wallet if they make more than one Special Edition PS4. I have never bought a special edition console before and I'm already dreading having to buy this one.

 

[Makoto Yuki]

Man, I wasn't even aware DC was a proper third person shooter, guess that shows how much I really know about these side games. That actually makes me want to play it more though!

It's not a proper third person shooter by today's standards, sorry if I made it sound that way. It's a third person shooter for sure, but you're not diving into cover at the press of a button. It's pretty unique, but that doesn't' necessarily mean good. It's mediocre fan service at best.

Obviously the whole backstory is sad but it's not something I find well done with the abuse angle, especially with Cid being one of the heroe's and the fact it's never properly called out.

I think him being bitter towards her is okay, him cold shouldering her is fine but him yelling and swearing at her wasn't cool and really uncomfortable and I say this as a huge Cid fan.

Having him be bitter and giving the cold shoulder is probably a better way to portray it these days, especially in today's social landscape. Toned down verbal abuse, is still a tricky road. The moment Cid yells "Where my damn Tea," to her every single so called click bait "vidja game journalist" will yell misogyny.

 

[Meccanical]

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Having him be bitter and giving the cold shoulder is probably a better way to portray it these days, especially in today's social landscape. Toned down verbal abuse, is still a tricky road. The moment Cid yells "Where my damn Tea," to her every single so called click bait "vidja game journalist" will yell misogyny.

Let them. No one should compromise there vision for so called "video game journalist".

 

[BossDarkseid]

Yes. But the question remains, will FF7R be able to surpass Advent Children in some aspects? I'm not talking about scenes like this, but more like characters, smaller environments, fights [if they are gonna be more like in AC].

Oh yeah...I think in some ways it'll surpass it...but there's obviously certain things AC does that you can't really do in real-time. I wonder what SE's rendering farms were like back then That said from the sounds of it they really want VIIR to be up to par with things but I think if they go with a battle system that's like some hybrid of X-2, XII and Chrono Trigger they can do quite a few flashy things in the battle system.

And I'd totally be down for a LE FF7 PS4. By the time it comes out the PS4 could be on it's second revision in terms of hardware (beyond the small stuff) and it's not like they'll be remaking this game again...

 

[Makoto Yuki]

Let them. No one should compromise there vision for so called "video game journalist".

I wholeheartedly agree, as long as it's done tastefully.

 

[Wazzy]

Let them. No one should compromise there vision for so called "video game journalist".

If their vision is to portray abuse as not that big of a deal, then no, I don't think someone should be clear of criticism.

It's the method of how they handle Cids abuse that is bad and that is absolutely something they need to fix.

 

[Two Words]

Do you think they will still do CG trailers? I kind of hope they do what The Last of Us did on PS3 and just use the PS3 assets at higher quality for the cutscenes. I'd rather maintain consistency than have a strange moment where Cloud and co look 10x better for a brief moment. Dunno if they will be able to have fire tech to do the Sephiroth scene justice though.

 

[Meccanical]

If their vision is to portray abuse as not that big of a deal, then no, I don't think someone should be clear of criticism.

It's the method of how they handle Cids abuse that is bad and that is absolutely something they need to fix.

Well it was never portrayed as not that big of a deal so that isn't an issue.

 

[SolidSnakex]

Do you think they will still do CG trailers? I kind of hope they do what The Last of Us did on PS3 and just use the PS3 assets at higher quality for the cutscenes. I'd rather maintain consistency than have a strange moment where Cloud and co look 10x better for a brief moment. Dunno if they will be able to have fire tech to do the Sephiroth scene justice though.

They usually use CG for large scale scenes, so I wouldn't expect that to change since even XV has CG.

 

[Wazzy]

Well it was never portrayed as not that big of a deal so that isn't an issue.

I disagree. I don't think he's called out properly by the cast who should have stepped in. Also the victim constantly putting up with it makes it even worse. I get why she does but there needed to be a better way to handle the resolution between the two.

 

[MatrixMan.EXE]

Next year.

I've heard that SE have been keeping a close eye on the next Mass Effect in terms of release scheduling. Q3/Q4 for FFXV, depending on when ME is launching and other factors. It's coming next year.

 

[Pitch Black Flint]

Obviously the whole backstory is sad but it's not something I find well done with the abuse angle, especially with Cid being one of the heroe's and the fact it's never properly called out.

I think him being bitter towards her is okay, him cold shouldering her is fine but him yelling and swearing at her wasn't cool and really uncomfortable and I say this as a huge Cid fan.

It is hard to watch, and if they keep it in it'll been even more disturbing with the more lifelike characters, but I think it needs to be there. Like you, I'm a big fan of Cid even though he's a deplorable character. He does eventually show growth and becomes less abusive as the game goes on, but there's nothing to really explain why he became a better person except that he finally realized his dream of flying the rocket ship.

I'd love it if when the team meets Cid for the first time, after the whole uncomfortable scene with the tea, Tifa sees what's going on, gets fed up with his abuse, beats the shit out of him and forces him to consider the way he speaks to Shera from then on. A little conflict within the group could go a long way to show the strength between them, since she'd really be doing him a favor by making him a better person in the long run.

 

[Two Words]

They usually use CG for large scale scenes, so I wouldn't expect that to change since even XV has CG.

The opening would be so much better if it was real time and the game just seemlessly transitions to jumping off the train, Barrett telling you to move your ass, and then you go.

 

[Wazzy]

It is hard to watch, and if they keep it in it'll been even more disturbing with the more lifelike characters, but I think it needs to be there. Like you, I'm a big fan of Cid even though he's a deplorable character. He does eventually show growth and becomes less abusive as the game goes on, but there's nothing to really explain why he became a better person except that he finally realized his dream of flying the rocket ship.

I'd love it if when the team meets Cid for the first time, after the whole uncomfortable scene with the tea, Tifa sees what's going on, gets fed up with his abuse, beats the shit out of him and forces him to consider the way he speaks to her from then on. A little conflict within the group could go a long way to show the strength between them, since she'd really be doing him a favor by making him a better person in the long run.

I would be cool with characters calling it out. As I said, they just need to address the abuse better if they keep it in.

I'd laugh if both Aeris and Tifa snapped at him.

 

[ShemhazaiX]

I think the best part about FF7s cast is that they're not good people in the slightest. They're literally a bunch of terrorists, mercenaries and selfish jerks (except Red and Aeris) who get together for purely selfish reasons and end up saving the world (amidst wacky as hell shenanigans) because there's no one else who can actually get the job done.

I wouldn't want them to change that for anything. Its not like Cids abuse was ever shown in a comical light, it was used to focus on the fact that he was a selfish jerk. I don't see how this is an issue.

 

[krackerjack]

Man, every time I see this thread I still can't believe it's real...

 

[Wazzy]

I think the best part about FF7s cast is that they're not good people in the slightest. They're literally a bunch of terrorists, mercenaries and selfish jerks (except Red and Aeris) who get together for purely selfish reasons and end up saving the world (amidst wacky as hell shenanigans) because there's no one else who can actually get the job done.

I wouldn't want them to change that for anything. Its not like Cids abuse was ever shown in a comical light, it was used to focus on the fact that he was a selfish jerk. I don't see how this is an issue.

Because abuse is a sensitive issue and having characters barely respond to it and the victim just taking it is poorly handled? All I'm saying is they need to address it better.

I also think Avalanches actions are understandable even though they end up killing people. It's pretty much corruption they're trying to prevent and while they go about it in a horrible way, their intentions are meant to be good.

 

[Staf]

Love this game. Haven't played it over a decade. I don't think i can play the remake though, the wound of the fate of Aeris is still too fresh.

 

[ShemhazaiX]

Because abuse is a sensitive issue and having characters barely respond to it and the victim just taking it is poorly handled?

I also think Avalanches actions are understandable even though they end up killing people. It's pretty much corruption they're trying to prevent and while they go about it in a horrible way, their intentions are meant to be good.

I agree it's a sensitive issue, but I don't believe that it needs to be censored or changed unless it's condoning it. Its often more powerful to have characters too shocked to react (for example, GoT having King Robert smacking Cersei in the face). Let the audience realise for themselves that this is a man who is far gone beyond decency. It makes the redemption later all the more powerful.

Also, you'll find that most terrorists think their intentions are good. Doesn't mean they aren't doing bad things. Barret is not a nice man. He's not trying to save the planet for good reasons. The only reason he does what he does is because of his own guilty conscience regarding the fate of his hometown. Tifa is more sympathetic a character, but at the end of the day she still causes hundreds of deaths of innocent people. Even Cloud is only in it for the money at first.

 

[Voror]

Thank you for all the info Verendus. It's nice to know a bit of their perspective on things and how they're approaching it. I'd already gotten the impression this really did matter a lot to them based on some bits with interviews both past and recent that have been quoted, but it's still nice to read that the project personally means a lot to them

I think it's clear people in the company really want to do one. The mobile "remake" wasn't really enough.

Wouldn't VI almost be a more daunting prospect than VII is? It feels like that for some reason to me anyway.

Next year.

Makes the most sense. Just need to hope the final product is actually good.

I can totally see it going up against the new Mass Effect.

This seems like a good possibility as well, though I wonder if they'd at least time it to so that the two aren't that close. Of course, hard to say how successful offhand XV will be initially.



I wonder if there is any chance they bring in Ito to figure out the battle system given that, unless I'm mistaken, he designed the original. I know he considered XII's system to be an evolution of ATB, albeit one that was still rough and could go further, though I don't see them going for that one at all.

 

[Wazzy]

I agree it's a sensitive issue, but I don't believe that it needs to be censored or changed unless it's condoning it. Its often more powerful to have characters too shocked to react (for example, GoT having King Robert smacking Cersei in the face). Let the audience realise for themselves that this is a man who is far gone beyond decency. It makes the redemption later all the more powerful.

Also, you'll find that most terrorists think their intentions are good. Doesn't mean they aren't doing bad things. Barret is not a nice man. He's not trying to save the planet for good reasons. The only reason he does what he does is because of his own guilty conscience regarding the fate of his hometown. Tifa is more sympathetic a character, but at the end of the day she still causes hundreds of deaths of innocent people. Even Cloud is only in it for the money at first.

While I would be fine with them removing the abuse, I'm not saying they have to. I just want it presented as something extremely wrong and that it's clear amongst the group they find it horrible. It's a controversial part because the victim blames herself accepting his abuse and Cid is just so awful towards her. If the cast even just calls it out properly I think it will do the scenes a lot more justice. I get it's to lead to him regretting it but god they need to have the realization hit quite strong so that the guilt is big for him.

 

[Koozek]

I find myself wondering if they will do something to the title to signify it's the remake. A subtitle maybe or kingdom hearts style, "Re:Final Fantasy VII"

"FFVII: Reunion" probably

Shit, there's an FFXVI currently in development?? Which team is working on it?

Nobody knows what team. Here's the relevant stuff that Verendus said about it so far:

A lot of the FFs are a mash up in my eyes. Even IX which has the tone you're describing has airships and so on.

XVI will be the opposite of XIII though. It's not futuristic so you might get what you want with that.

Already on the way. The concept of it is also quite unique. It will certainly be something that hasn't been done before in Final Fantasy, if they manage to accomplish it. I'd put it in the back of your mind for now though, as I would personally expect FF15 and KH3 to be out before it.

 

[anaron]

I like the idea, but I don't think they're intending on sticking to the original depiction of the character. I like the lonely, sudden, and brutal death he has in the original. It's brief, and it makes you think. Not everyone dies like a hero. I don't really like the overly dramatic one he was given later in Crisis Core, which I think is basically terrible. I'm sure the former isn't what's going to be in there though. They're going to add some stuff, and this is one of those things I imagine they're going to add to, rather than just altering it.

All I remember saying to Kitase was that they shouldn't shy away from the harsh things. They're always thinking about what their western fans want, and FF7 has a lot of little moments, which depicted today, would feel a little grim. They need to go for them, and not shy away because they're afraid of how people might react. People will appreciate this more.

All I know is, if Cloud still beats the hell out of Aeris, I'm taking credit for its inclusion.

amen

the abrupt brutality and silence in the original is so much more affecting than the trashy over the top jpop filled CC version

 

[ShemhazaiX]

While I would be fine with them removing the abuse, I'm not saying they have to. I just want it presented as something extremely wrong and that it's clear amongst the group they find it horrible. It's a controversial part because the victim blames herself accepting his abuse and Cid is just so awful towards her. If the cast even just calls it out properly I think it will do the scenes a lot more justice. I get it's to lead to him regretting it but god they need to have the realization hit quite strong so that the guilt is big for him.

This is why it's powerful. Its a very accurate representation of what happens in real life. The way it was handled originally is completely fine. If they push it any harder then it becomes way too on the nose that they're focusing on pushing a moral perspective as opposed to developing a character. No one is going to say "Oh Cid, totally put her in her place lol". Every one can already tell he's in the wrong.

 

[illmatic22]

Implied Cloud & Tifa sex scene is in? Thank you based Verendus!

I'm gonna stream that scene live for everybody.

 

[SA Louisgod]

Implied Cloud & Tifa sex scene is in? Thank you based Verendus!

I'm gonna stream that scene live for everybody.

Christ you people are weird

 

[Koozek]

So uhhh... Who is Verendus, why does he know so much, and what is this 'list' people keep mentioning?

Though thanks for the info, I am really glad to know they want to incorporate Zack more. He is the best thing to come out of the compilation of Final Fantasy VII.

Works for Sony. Knows a lot. Verified by the mods. Teased this remake here since 2013, in addition to a lot of other games.
She/He's the best <3