Canis lupus
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Ps4>360+xbone
No. 1. Digital is taking a bigger share 2. 2013 for last gen means more games to buy and cheaper than this year for current gen. If u wanna compare apples with apples pick 2007 for ps360 or something.
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UK Software Sales (1st Half 2015)
- Thread starter Bruno MB
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May wanna check your math
Lion Heart
Banned
Ouch at that market reversal. Great showing by Sony to turn it around.
Well, I don't know much about the UK market, but I mean, judging the PC market on physical media these days is not the way.. The global PC software industry has been steadily growing for many recent years, and last I heard it still is. And most of it is digital downloads.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
Gears is not coming out this year, and Forza is not a big franchise. Halo, sure. But then the PS4 is almost certainly getting a price-cut this year and has that marketing and content partnership with Star Wars Battlefront, so I could easily see the gap getting bigger by the year's end.
You are right that Xbone seems to pull sales back around around Christmas time, but I am pretty sure Sony has learnt their lesson from last year when they let their rival close the gap. Hence the certain price-cut and no doubt better bundle deals this coming Xmas.
The Dutch Slayer
Member
This chart is so useless sadly 
No digital and most sales in the UK come from online retrails only, amazon uk, bannedongaftoo.col.uk, TGC etc.
No one is tracking those and those have the most sales.
And lets not forget maybe the biggest 2 of them all, minecraft sales and specially the Rasp version because Rasp is super popular in the UK among kids right now.
And second Stream off course.
No digital and most sales in the UK come from online retrails only, amazon uk, bannedongaftoo.col.uk, TGC etc.
No one is tracking those and those have the most sales.
And lets not forget maybe the biggest 2 of them all, minecraft sales and specially the Rasp version because Rasp is super popular in the UK among kids right now.
And second Stream off course.
Chobel
Member
Surprised this is the case when PS4 had two major exclusives (Bloodborne and The Order) and a major 3rd party marketing partnership (Batman). It should be more than 30% difference.
EDIT: Fuck, bundled software is also counted in UK, this changes everything.
WhateverItTakes
Banned
I'd say it's more that most of us are running on steampower really. Only place you can get PC games are from GAME and their prices can be dire sometimes, and if this doesn't include amazon, there aren't really other places to go anymore.
Gears remastered is coming out and topped the Amazon pre order charts along with rare replay( during e3 and I know Amazon charts. Just using it as an example) And forza is absolutely big in the UK. Plus it's getting a bundle Halo is going to do major numbers, COD is still associated with the Xbox regardless of marketing deals. And Battkefront is a shooter so it's probably also going to do well on the Xbox
Visualante2
Member
PlayStation family 3,982,249
Microsoft family 3,699,539
Nintendo family 1,168,980
Microsoft family 3,699,539
(4,188,076 if you include PC)
TreasureHunterG
Banned
Nintendo is on a distress situation on UK. It's comprehensible Wii U underperforming, but 3DS is odd.
Visualante2
Member
Most retailers have abandoned Nintendo entirely as a result of the Wii U. Shelf space just isn't there.
KillerMan91
Member
It's kinda crazy how far Nintendo has fallen in about 5 years. From the biggest player to almost niche.
Bruno MB
Member
I wasn't initially planning to do it
It's worth noting that Bandai Namco Entertainment (490,820 units) should be the 8th or even the 7th biggest publisher by volume since we are missing 3 months of sales.
I wasn't initially planning to do it
It's worth noting that Bandai Namco Entertainment (490,820 units) should be the 8th or even the 7th biggest publisher by volume since we are missing 3 months of sales.
Oh wow, you actually did it haha! Amazing! Without people like you there would be no point in me visiting GAF. This is what I love about the community here.
Anyway, those are some low numbers, do we need to scale them up for 100%? Or does GfK do that now? I do wonder how many of those Take Two sales come just from GTA 5 haha.
Also no Koei Tecmo makes me disappointed lol.
geordiemp
Member
This chart is so useless sadly
No digital and most sales in the UK come from online retrails only, amazon uk, bannedongaftoo.col.uk, TGC etc.
No one is tracking those and those have the most sales.
And lets not forget maybe the biggest 2 of them all, minecraft sales and specially the Rasp version because Rasp is super popular in the UK among kids right now.
And second Stream off course.
Do retail sales only include instore ?
Would not be surprised if sales were double what is reported if that is true. Who buys games in stores ?
Would not be surprised if Amazon Uk sold more games than Game.
Also retail outlets like Game and Zavvi also sell online, are those counted ?
Bruno MB
Member
I just couldn't say no to someone that has contributed so much to GAF sales-age
These numbers are extrapolated to 100% of the market.
Grand Theft Auto V accounts for almost 55% of Take-Two Interactive sales.
[1H 2015] Take-Two Interactive - 958,846
[1H 2015] Grand Theft Auto V - 516,072 (missing one week of tracking)
This is the most recent LTD sales number we have.
[Week 25, 2015] Grand Theft Auto V (Take-Two Interactive) - 8,266 / 5,527,778 (-4%)
Take away the exclusives (Bloodborn, Order, MLB, Screamrider) and I imagine the PS4/XB1 figures are even, which is odd because PS4 multiplats are always far ahead. I'm guessing XB1 exclusives from last year are still doing well.
XB1 has loads of exclusives this holiday tho, so will be interesting to see which ends up on top. Halo always does gangbusters in the UK.
XB1 has loads of exclusives this holiday tho, so will be interesting to see which ends up on top. Halo always does gangbusters in the UK.
No, MS didn't close the gap in the UK at all, in fact the gap got wider to PS4 last Christmas.
Source: http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/ps4-was-the-uk-s-best-selling-console-in-2014/0143505
I wasn't initially planning to do it
It's worth noting that Bandai Namco Entertainment (490,820 units) should be the 8th or even the 7th biggest publisher by volume since we are missing 3 months of sales.
Good stuff. I knew Warner was having a great year so far but surprised by the EA numbers.
Starwolf_UK
Member
Ah I see. Those make more sense than my thoughts.
You can say Shopto...only the URL is banned.This chart is so useless sadly
No digital and most sales in the UK come from online retrails only, amazon uk, bannedongaftoo.col.uk, TGC etc.
No one is tracking those and those have the most sales.
And lets not forget maybe the biggest 2 of them all, minecraft sales and specially the Rasp version because Rasp is super popular in the UK among kids right now.
And second Stream off course.
Online retailers not counting? That isn't what chart-track say:
I heard either a 90% or 95% of retail figure describes their coverage in the past but can't find reference to it.
As for what retailers are covered? Keep an eye on unusual deals followed by unusual chart spikes (sometimes these might be the tail end of hardware specific charts) for some clues. A good example would be Pokemon White 2 a few months ago which shows that Argos is tracked. I know back in the day when play.com was a retailer (rather than a marketplace) they were tracked too. Speaking of marketplaces. I don't expect those to be tracked as they can include used etc...
Time for some better thoughts on these kind of things (as fun as LOL Nintendoom 64 is). This is based on my reading of the numbners presented (so could be misunderstanding). Nintendo are the provisionally* 6th biggest publisher notably beating Microsoft and Sony Computer Entertainment. You might think how is that right if the platform-wide software sales are so bad and the retail presence on life support? It is simple; consider Nintendo are practically the only Wii U publisher and are a major 3DS publisher. On the other hand this isn't totally good news for Nintendo as few third parties means few third party royalties. Or to put it another way, while Sony is getting royalties on over 3 million sales while Nintendo is getting that on around 1/10th of that.
*-Bruno's Chart is missing some Bamco data.
I just couldn't say no to someone that has contributed so much to GAF sales-age
These numbers are extrapolated to 100% of the market.
Grand Theft Auto V accounts for almost 55% of Take-Two Interactive sales.
[1H 2015] Take-Two Interactive - 958,846
[1H 2015] Grand Theft Auto V - 516,072 (missing one week of tracking)
This is the most recent LTD sales number we have.
[Week 25, 2015] Grand Theft Auto V (Take-Two Interactive) - 8,266 / 5,527,778 (-4%)
Says the guy who posts every PAL thread and has contributed more than I ever have!
Thanks for confirming, really shows how GTA V is just a beast sales wise compared to everything else, and the game didn't even release this year!!!
It's interesting how well Warner bro's have done this year, I don't think they've done this well before.
It's about ~90% of total retail market.
NPD is between 90% to 95%.
Chartz is 0%
theprodigy
Member
Japan 1H 2015 (Media Create)-15.800.000
got quite a way to go there
though too bad we'll never get software numbers like this for other European countries
Thanks Bruno.
Chart-Track cover all the major online retailers, estimated 95% coverage.
http://www.chart-track.co.uk/index.jsp?c=p/software/uk/retail/index.jsp
Chart-Track cover all the major online retailers, estimated 95% coverage.
http://www.chart-track.co.uk/index.jsp?c=p/software/uk/retail/index.jsp
Interesting.
I haven't looked at that page since last year when it said this - http://web.archive.org/web/20140820...uk/index.jsp?c=p/software/uk/retail/index.jsp
So good to see they've updated it to show improved accuracy. Not that GfK have ever been inaccurate before.
LiquidSolid
Member
Pull sales back? Sony already won last Christmas.
KillerMan91
Member
I would suspect that digital has higher share of the total sales in UK but even factoring that it's still sizable gap.
Only last gen. PS1&2 dominated UK gaming. UK is historically Sonyland, same as Continental Europe.
The Dutch Slayer
Member
How good is SteamSpy for regional sales these days?
The Dutch Slayer
Member
Pretty good, but the fact that something like that is necessary is just sad to have any indication how the market is doing.
Starwolf_UK
Member
How did In miss the retail panel page of the chart-track website?
The counter argument would be, Japanese sales are not exactly their finest currently as that market is heavily shifting away from retail. Is the same thing happening to the UK or is gaming dying out?
You can't just look at numbers alone here. Consider the UK has approximately 50% the population as Japan (64mm vs 127mm). The UK sales are 58% of Japans (i.e. games sold per population is higher in UK).
The counter argument would be, Japanese sales are not exactly their finest currently as that market is heavily shifting away from retail. Is the same thing happening to the UK or is gaming dying out?
When there are next to no releases, sales cannot be very high either.
Triggerhappytel
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I just couldn't say no to someone that has contributed so much to GAF sales-age
You guys are both great. I really enjoy reading your contributions and sales analysis/breakdown. It's probably the best insight to videogame sales figures anywhere on the web for people who aren't privy to Steam/NPD sales data.
In my experience gaming is as healthy here as it ever has been. You probably have more people than ever playing mobile games, but unlike Japan that's not taken anything noticeable away from the home console market.
Shows the increase in digital sales.
nephilimdj
Member
Kinda crazy, esp. when that 100k wii I assume would be mainly just dance
Its good MS have pulled back a bit in PAL land, not all doom and gloom
Sephiroth_VII
Member
Actually, the only conclusion we can reach from comparing these data points is that we can reach no conclusion. We don't know the total software sales, and we don't know the digital sales.
Without at least on of these two values, we cannot conclude anything. Digital might not at all make up for the gap, or it might eclipse physical completely at this point. There is no way to know.
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
Also Vita
SmokeyDave can only do so much, hahaha.
True. But we do know that digital sales are way up on years gone by so we can't compare years 1 to 1.
SomedayTheFire
Member
If you're doing that you have to take off the Xbox exclusives, like Forza and State of Decay. Stop jumping through hoops to make the sales equal.
Triggerhappytel
Member
"If you take away all software sales and all hardware sales for both consoles then logic tells us that they're roughly equal!"
Guerrillas in the Mist
Member
More like PC physical sales are dead. Mind you, a few years ago I remember a certain gaming journo who should have known better using physical PC sales of a prominent game to beat PC gamers over the head, looking very silly in the process.
UK Retail is terrible, I haven't set foot in a GAME store in a while, I prefer hunting online for deals or buying digital.
The sales to date are surprising and much more even than I initially thought, I had the impression from GAF that X1 was doing terribly in UK.
3 : 2.3 is respectable.
The sales to date are surprising and much more even than I initially thought, I had the impression from GAF that X1 was doing terribly in UK.
3 : 2.3 is respectable.