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[Gucci Messiah]

Every single console is underpowered compared to its successors, unless that severely limit the games with technical problem (like flickering on NES) why the fuck should you give a shit that an old console is not as powerful as another console that look similarly dated now?
Your issues on the ps3 are actually legit and more usability issues with the console itself...that the Wii mostly doesn't share.

....No

PS3 and 360 launched with tech that was at least comparable to PC and pushed consoles into an entirely new era. We had wifi, high definition output, new disc formats, etc. The Wii was a glorified Gamecube with a unique input method, that is why it is and was considered underpowered. Due to the Wii being gimped developers couldn't really port games meant for the HD twins over without making huge concessions and eventually they just stopped trying all together opting to release inferior spin-offs or nothing at all.

 

[mr jones]

The system sucks. It sucked for storage (until later), it sucked for the system interface, it sucked for video output, and I didn't like the controllers. It has good games. But you can play them on the Wii U.

 

[brau]

That's a real disgrace really, I wonder if we can mod the Wii to make this better in some way.

If it can be done that would be awesome. But that would just lead me to using an emulator instead. Hence me quoting this guy

They really should fix the WiiU to work with the progressive scan at least.

Yeah, it was a great console.

It's even better with Dolphin.

I yet to try the Dolphin out. Makes me sad, since my wiiU is sitting there collecting dust atm.

 

[Ganondorfo]

I disagree, it was bad compared to the Snes. Although the Mario Galaxies are a must own.

 

[Dakhanavar]

Well, it's the only console I've ever bought & sold twice...so there's that. I was a huge fan of Nintendo growing up with the NES, SNES, N64, and to an extent, the Gamecube. The Wii is pretty much where they lost me.

I waited in line for the launch and after the thrill of motion controls wore off (Which didn't take long), it was used for Wii Sports or gatherings and not a whole lot else. It had some really good games, great ones even (Like some of the ones mentioned in this thread so far), but those were generally in spite of the console, not because of it. I still think Boom Blox was one of the very few games where I thought to myself, "This just wouldn't be as fun without motion controls."

It felt like for every great exclusive Wii game, it was missing out on 3 great 3rd party games that were on the 360 and PS3. I mean, I couldn't imagine having a console last gen and not getting to play any of these:

Bioshock series, Mass Effect series, GTA IV & V, Fallout 3 & NV, Oblivion & Skyrim, Just Cause 2, Orange Box & Portal 2, RDR, Batman Arkham Asylum & City, Dark Souls 1 & 2, Assassin's Creed Series, Borderlands Series, Xcom Enemy Unknown & Within, Dead Space Series (There was Extraction, but even that went to the PS3), Deus Ex: HR, Street Fighter/Soul Calibur/Tekken/Blazblue/Virtua Fighter/Mortal Kombat Entries, Battlefield games, Dishonored, Dead Island & Riptide, Dirt Series, Skate Series, Dragon Age: Origins, Vanquish, Bulletstorm, Darksiders 1 & 2, Some of the COD games (Not that I got into 'em too much, personally), Saints Row 2-4, Mirror's Edge, and a bunch of arcade/indie games like Super Meat Boy, Minecraft, Terraria, Spelunky, Dungeon Defenders, Braid, etc.

I had a PS3 and a 360, so my apologies if a couple of those were exclusive to one or the other. But considering the Wii missed out on those, that's rough. I feel like the Wii is pretty decent if you take it by itself, but it starts to crumble when compared to last gen as a whole (Especially if you consider it was sub HD and the online was lacking, at best). I'd be willing to say it makes for a great complimentary console, but there's no way I would've had it be my only console last gen.

I can understand why some would love it, but it just didn't resonate without me.

 

[AniHawk]

It was too underpowered and it ushered the motion control gimmicks from MS and Sony in hopes of matching Nintendos sales.

It was a short lived success ,and I'd argue it set the entire industry back in that generation.

Wii was terrible.

the wii was largely responsible for growth in that generation. it brought in folks who never played games much before and as a result we saw more risks taken in genres that didn't really get a lot of play, especially on other platforms. platformers, light gun shooters, and puzzle games all had some serious tries from third-parties, which was a great benefit to more people playing in that generation.

i think if anything set the industry back, it was probably the studio closures, buyouts, and mergers from those who couldn't keep up with rising costs of development. i feel the dedicated market is in a clearly poorer state now because of it with less variety coming from a smaller number of publishers.

 

[JinjoUnchained]

Like, I had some complaints about Metroid Prime 3... just like I had some complaints about Prime 1, and quite a few more about 2. But I really don't know when it suddenly became "the worst Metroid Prime game." People loved it back when it came out. It was a gorgeous game with great music, great controls, great level and puzzle design, and the only real knocks I have against it are that the story is kinda whatever and... uh. That one escort part, I guess.

I mean, the rest of the "oh it's so much worse" arguments I can understand (even though I think the weird retrospective hate for Brawl and Skyward Sword has been hilariously amplified by the internet since they came out), but Metroid Prime 3? I just don't get it.

That's the Zelda Cycle for you. In a couple years after the Internet falls in love with the open world non linear Zelda it's always asked for, it will get thrown under the bus for being "confusing" or "flawed" in comparison to the glory days of Skyward Sword and Twilight Princess.

I had a similar reaction to you when playing those three titles and only found out later from the Internet that I was supposed to hate them. I mean I guess the different planets in MP3 was a departure from traditional Metroid, but the game was great fun and the interplanetary traversal was awesome. It was more Ratchet and Clank meets Metroid than Super Metroid, but it was really well done. I swear, it feels to me sometimes like people play games looking for things to complain about instead of letting go and having fun.

 

[LegendofLex]

The other people that I don't know, maybe?

It's right there in the quote.

That wasn't actually intended as a sarcastic dig or even a criticism of what you said. I hear the exact sentiment you expressed a lot and so it really does put a question mark to the idea of where all those sales actually went.

 

[kunonabi]

The Wii is my favorite Nintendo console and my second favorite console of all time. It just had this great library of quirky, innovative stuff and just plain solid games. The flexibility in control options and the VC were just icing on the cake. In my opinion you had to import to really get the most out of it but at the end of the day the only reason I'm still gaming right now is because of Super Mario Galaxy and the rest of the Wii's output.

To this day I'd still rather play games with the Wiimote/nunchuk than anything else for pretty much everything outside of fighting games.

 

[TheAdmiester]

That wasn't actually intended as a sarcastic dig or even a criticism of what you said. I hear the exact sentiment you expressed a lot and so it really does put a question mark to the idea of where all those sales actually went.

Well, are the sales you mentioned marked as "2006-2010" or 2006, 2007, 2008 etc. separately? Maybe it was the huge burst of sales from 2006 that did it? No idea.

 

[Choomp]

It has a really great library. The Wii remote and motion control stuff wasn't my cup of tea but I guess it was kind of fun trying something like that.

 

[Gucci Messiah]

I haven't moved a single goal post, you can make believe that to try and fit your cobbled together argument. The point I'm making is that the Wii doesn't have bad third party support. You and other people are trying to paint a picture that was being painted by the "console wars" garbage that you mention and here you are perpetuating it. The reality is, whether you personally like the games or not, the third party support on Wii is not garbage and it's not all shovelware. At a certain point during a debate you have to start acknowledging facts and quality beyond your opinion or you have no argument. This is like me saying the PS3 has bad first party support because I didn't like Uncharted. Do you realize how ridiculous and childish that sounds? You can keep making believe that you're above this because it's just an "entertainment device" and I'm embarrassing myself yet you continue to engage in conversation.

You think the Wii had good third party support and I don't. You know what the differences between us is though? I'm willing to accept your opinion while you seem to think believing anything otherwise is factually incorrect. Nobody is trying to paint a picture of you, you're doing it yourself with you responses dude. You literally cannot and will not accept that there are people in this thread such as myself that do not enjoy the Wii's 3rd party offerings and would consider it as a whole bad, especially compared to what Sony and Microsoft got that generation. Most Wii 3rd party games are what I'd consider shovelware, casual fluff, or inferior spin-off's with the odd gem like Pandora's Tower, Zak & Wiki, or Monster Hunter thrown in every once in a while. On the other consoles there was consistent quality 3rd party support and that isn't "console warring" or "having an agenda" it's the truth. You have presented absolutely no facts because this is a discussion of software quality which is ultimately subjective which you refuse to acknowledge for some reason I can't understand. Your analogy is asinine too because I didn't say I dislike one third party Wii game I played therefore they're all bad; I straight up told you I personally didn't enjoy most of the offerings.

 

[UncleSporky]

The game library is the console. It doesn't do much without the games. Sure, there's power and stuff to consider, but in the end, the games are the star.

I agree, there are lots of consoles that were way ahead of their time with terrible libraries. No one in their right mind would call Jaguar or 3DO great consoles, simply because their hardware capabilities were excellent relative to the time they released.

 

[LegendofLex]

I mean, I couldn't imagine having a console last gen and not getting to play any of these:

Anecdote, but I just bought a PS3 last year for $250 (I didn't own a 360, either) and have spent probably a grand total of $150 (not exaggerating) on:

- Demon's Souls
- Dark Souls
- Dark Souls II
- Skyrim
- BioShock
- BioShock 2
- BioShock Infinite
- Journey
- Puppeteer
- Ni no Kuni
- Mass Effect
- Mass Effect 2
- Mass Effect 3
- FFXIII-2
- Lightning Returns

I'm really really glad I skipped PS3 as it means I get to grab the best games on the platform for a monstrous discount, without spending $400+ on the hardware in the first place, instead of having to shell out full price every year or two when a sequel comes out on pure faith that the quality will be there.

It's a lot harder to say that for Wii when the cost of entry was already $250 from the get-go.

(I'm still probably gonna get a PS4 sometime in the next few months, though.)

Well, are the sales you mentioned marked as "2006-2010" or 2006, 2007, 2008 etc. separately? Maybe it was the huge burst of sales from 2006 that did it? No idea.

There were a lot of individual pieces of software that sold phenomenally well both in 2006 and in each of the individual years that followed, up to 2010. And of course there was lots of mid-tier stuff that sold moderately well during the same period.

 

[cireza]

Wii had a few good games, but overall I dislike pretty much everything about this console. So many awful choices that were forced into the user.

Like having a clinging Wiimote when playing with a classic controller. Having games that force you into using Wiimote while the gameplay does not justify it at all. Having an awful picture quality on TV HD. So many things that make the experience annoying.

 

[Zee-Row]

I just wish the Wii remote was optional and not forced into every game.

 

[Haganeren]

You think the Wii had good third party support and I don't. You know what the differences between us is though? I'm willing to accept your opinion while you seem to think believing anything otherwise is factually incorrect. Nobody is trying to paint a picture of you, you're doing it yourself with you responses dude. You literally cannot and will not accept that there are people in this thread such as myself that do not enjoy the Wii's 3rd party offerings and would consider it as a whole bad, especially compared to what Sony and Microsoft got that generation. Most Wii 3rd party games are what I'd consider shovelware, casual fluff, or inferior spin-off's with the odd gem like Pandora's Tower, Zak & Wiki, or Monster Hunter thrown in every once in a while. On the other consoles there was consistent quality 3rd party support and that isn't "console warring" or "having an agenda" it's the truth. You have presented absolutely no facts because this is a discussion of software quality which is ultimately subjective which you refuse to acknowledge for some reason I can't understand. Your analogy is asinine too because I didn't say I dislike one third party Wii game I played therefore they're all bad; I straight up told you I personally didn't enjoy most of the offerings.

Well, even if they were shovelware, you can see there WAS a third party support on the Wii compared to, for example, the Wii U which don't even have that luxury.

I admit i like a lot of third party games from the Wii. (Actually, Nintendo disappointed me a bit during that time so the third party games is what i remember the most) and maybe that's not your case so we can accept each other opinion that the Wii may have very good/awful 3rd party games.

..... But it doesn't change the fact that they EXISTED, isn't it ?


Edit : Am i one of those strange people which actually liked the wiimote and playing with that ? Really ? Making a wiggle move or pushing a button is basically the same thing to me, with the wiggle move maybe a little more original... But that's all. I loved playing game like House of the Dead where you have to aim with the wiimote too... Oh well. It seems to be really hated nowadays...

 

[Jay Sosa]

You're crazy OP. The Wii is the worst Nintendo console after the U (not counting Virtual Boy).

Great Library? Please. The PS1 has a great library, the PS2 has a great library, the SNES has a great library. The Wii? A few gems here and there and that's about it.

 

[AniHawk]

Like, I had some complaints about Metroid Prime 3... just like I had some complaints about Prime 1, and quite a few more about 2. But I really don't know when it suddenly became "the worst Metroid Prime game." People loved it back when it came out. It was a gorgeous game with great music, great controls, great level and puzzle design, and the only real knocks I have against it are that the story is kinda whatever and... uh. That one escort part, I guess.

I mean, the rest of the "oh it's so much worse" arguments I can understand (even though I think the weird retrospective hate for Brawl and Skyward Sword has been hilariously amplified by the internet since they came out), but Metroid Prime 3? I just don't get it.

i felt like the metroid prime games lived and died by the controllers that needed to be used. this was something i realized when playing the first game in the series again in 2010. i've come to appreciate it for what it is, but using the gamecube controller, it was clear why i found the levels so boring - it's because the gamecube controller is not the best for a first-person shooter these days, even if it's a small modification on what worked in the n64 days, but it's so slow. the wii remote on the other hand allowed for more precise aiming much more quickly, which in turn made the levels feel more action-packed.

clearly the issue with the game is the back tracking, but mostly because it's so removed from other games in the series - having to fly to different planets instead of finding paths to other parts of the same planet. i guess it made it very 'unmetroid' that way. that never bothered me though. i wanted to have fun in the series and i got that with corruption.

 

[ninjablade]

Wii had a few good games, but overall I dislike pretty much everything about this console. So many awful choices that were forced into the user.

Like having a clinging Wiimote when playing with a classic controller. Having games that force you into using Wiimote while the gameplay does not justify it at all. Having an awful picture quality on TV HD. So many things that make the experience annoying.

Lol to this day thats why i wont buy a wii, even though i want to play the galaxy games bad i want them in hd with a reguler controller option.

 

[greg400]

You think the Wii had good third party support and I don't. You know what the differences between us is though? I'm willing to accept your opinion while you seem to think believing anything otherwise is factually incorrect. Nobody is trying to paint a picture of you, you're doing it yourself with you responses dude. You literally cannot and will not accept that there are people in this thread such as myself that do not enjoy the Wii's 3rd party offerings and would consider it as a whole bad, especially compared to what Sony and Microsoft got that generation. Most Wii 3rd party games are what I'd consider shovelware, casual fluff, or inferior spin-off's with the odd gem like Pandora's Tower, Zak & Wiki, or Monster Hunter thrown in every once in a while. On the other consoles there was consistent quality 3rd party support and that isn't "console warring" or "having an agenda" it's the truth. You have presented absolutely no facts because this is a discussion of software quality which is ultimately subjective which you refuse to acknowledge for some reason I can't understand. Your analogy is asinine too because I didn't say I dislike one third party Wii game I played therefore they're all bad; I straight up told you I personally didn't enjoy most of the offerings.

I've provided no facts?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=396775

Whether those third party games appeal to or not is totally irrelevant which is the point I'm making and have been making. You can kick, scream and whine like a baby that you don't like those games but that doesn't change the fact that the mass majority of people consider them to be quality enough to recommend. You can't acknowledge that for some absolutely baffling reason. It's as if you want to live in a bubble where history is rewritten from your heavily distorted console wars 'third party on wii was nothing but shit and shovelware'.

 

[akidnamededdy]

Good games =/= Good console.

For instance it was a considerably underpowered console, that should take it down quite a bit. Another example is the PS3, had tons of good games but it was not a good console due to it being tough to develop for and also because it had a bad ecosystem such as a slow store that only got worse with time, no party chat, updates were too big compared to 360's smaller updates etc.

A game console is nothing but its games library.

 

[Quadraphonic]

The Wii started off tolerable.

TOLERABLE.

Full of hope. It finally had a DVD format (But no player because of a lack of digital audio out) and social connections. Updates added features.

You could log in each week on Everybody Votes and get the whole family involved. News and Weather apps were even interesting on it.

Then the games started getting more complex and relying on DLC. Rock Band games hit SD card limits and couldn't be patched. Other games just gave up on DLC altogether. Pretty much any worthy 3rd-party game ended up on the Wii as a gimped PS2 port if at all.

It went from fun to use, to being that fucking hot-to-the-touch pulsing-blue white box of trash that you ignored, save for 2 games a year.

Then Nintendo's own output ceased altogether.

It had a glimmer of hope, but a few good games do not make a system. My GameCube library DWARFS the Wii's output.

Pretending that it had anything worthy in the 3rd-party support is sad and delusional. And I worked on some of those titles. "3rd party support" doesn't mean shit-ware that they sell at a checkout stand at a Big Lots. If that's how you define the quality of a library and console, then you are sad.

 

[ForsakenLotus]

Well, even if they were shovelware, you can see there WAS a third party support on the Wii compared to, for example, the Wii U which don't even have that luxury.

I admit i like a lot of third party games from the Wii. (Actually, Nintendo disappointed me a bit during that time so the third party games is what i remember the most) and maybe that's not your case so we can accept each other opinion that the Wii may have very good/awful 3rd party games.

..... But it doesn't change the fact that they EXISTED, isn't it ?


Edit : Am i one of those strange people which actually liked the wiimote and playing with that ? Really ? Making a wiggle move or pushing a button is basically the same thing to me, with the wiggle move maybe a little more original... But that's all. I loved playing game like House of the Dead where you have to aim with the wiimote too... Oh well. It seems to be really hated nowadays...

When people talk about third party support, generally they mean multiplatform games. The Wii had some very good third party exclusives, and it did get multiplatform games; however, when you actually compile a list of multiplatform games the Wii didn't get (let alone inferior versions), and you should understand why people say the Wii didn't have much third party support.

Arguing against that is arguing semantics, not against the real point.

 

[Alfredo]

Probably to Nintendo's detriment, homebrew made the Wii awesome to me.

I had so much fun with Smash Bros. Brawl hacks, even before Project M. Super awesome emulation scene when coupled with the Virtual Console. Being able to play backups from a USB hard drive years before Nintendo would let you do it on the Wii U.

Edit: oh yeah, and Ocarina codes! Being able to play Skyward Sword without having to be reminded how many rupees a blue rupee is worth was INCREDIBLE.

It was like magic with how well that stuff worked.

 

[Evilisk]

I don't know how it stacks up vs other Nintendo consoles (since Wii was the first I properly owned) but it was pretty disappointing to me

I'm not gonna pretend that I always hated Brawl, because I spent years on that before getting tired out. But I barely ended up liking anything else sans Donkey Kong Country Returns (I don't really have an opinion on Mario Galaxy since I borrowed it once and really disliked the controls). Though I guess Wii Sports and Resort were fun at the time (and Just Dance is dumb fun sometimes too)

The whole Mii stuff, I barely cared about and I thought the pointer menu was alway bad (it's definitely bad now though because I can barely get it to work now when I do use the Wii). The most disappointing thing has to be the controller. Absolutely hated it. I've had it hooked up to the TV ever since I got the console and the pointer's always worked poorly for me. Also hated having to charge the batteries (especially compared to the Dualshock). And the actual controller itself had way too many buttons or the d-pad get jammed, even on the nunchuk (which was obviously a problem since it was my Smash machine).

Also I guess it was because my first one but I never realized how nothing Nintendo ever dropped in price. I guess that was a huge detriment because I couldn't really experiment with first party library outside of series I was already familiar with. It made it real easy to love my PS3 and all the cheap games I can get (whether they're first party or third).

I guess it'd be easy to say I liked the Gamecube better but that'd be pure nostalgia as well as an unfair comparison (since I got to rent one and its games but never actually owned one, I was younger than I was when I got the Wii and a buncha other stuff). I don't regret my Wii at all and I still had some great times. But it's definitely made me step back from Nintendo and its offerings, which is disappointing since between the DS, Wii and SNES (I also borrowed this), Nintendo had been always as good as the PlayStation to me. That's just my personal take on the console

 

[Simbabbad]

The Wii made me take great distance with... online gaming communities. So much rabid hate and misinformation about this console, it was sickening. My gaming has been much happier since.

Such a great, wonderful system, with a killer library.

 

[Talwind]

Wii is one of my favorite consoles of all time for various reasons. But mostly since brought back alot of classic IPs:
Classic Kirby Platformer
Traditional DK Platformer
2D Wario Platformer
Sin & Punishment
Punch Out

The narrative that Nintendo somehow abandoned their "core" audience never made sense to me, their output in "core" games definitely shit all over gamecube.

 

[ninjablade]

I've provided no facts?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=396775

Whether those third party games appeal to or not is totally irrelevant which is the point I'm making and have been making. You can kick, scream and whine like a baby that you don't like those games but that doesn't change the fact that the mass majority of people consider them to be quality enough to recommend. You can't acknowledge that for some absolutely baffling reason. It's as if you want to live in a bubble where history is rewritten from your heavily distorted console wars 'third party on wii was nothing but shit and shovelware'.

Thats pretty sad list of third party games, not even one third party game for wiiu has a metracritic of a 9, except for a ps2 port, the best retail games on there for are 007, street fighter vs , klonia and okami. In generation where thirdparty games were huge, thats a very sad list.

 

[FZZ]

GameCube is currently getting fellated by a ton of people because of the classic two gens ago nostalgia.

As history goes on Wii will be Nintendo's second best home console right after SNES.

Spoiler

Unless the NX is god-tier status.

 

[Gucci Messiah]

Well, even if they were shovelware, you can see there WAS a third party support on the Wii compared to, for example, the Wii U which don't even have that luxury.

I admit i like a lot of third party games from the Wii. (Actually, Nintendo disappointed me a bit during that time so the third party games is what i remember the most) and maybe that's not your case so we can accept each other opinion that the Wii may have very good/awful 3rd party games.

..... But it doesn't change the fact that they EXISTED, isn't it ?


Edit : Am i one of those strange people which actually liked the wiimote and playing with that ? Really ? Making a wiggle move or pushing a button is basically the same thing to me, with the wiggle move maybe a little more original... But that's all. I loved playing game like House of the Dead where you have to aim with the wiimote too... Oh well. It seems to be really hated nowadays...

Yes, the Wii had more games releasing for it then the GCN or Wii U but the quality was dreadful for the most part. Wii was a cultural phenomenon so everyone and their mother rushed out games to make a quick buck off of the booming casual crowd but the vast majority of these were mediocre at best and terrible at worst. I'm not saying that the Wii had no third party support in the literal sense, I'm saying the quality was generally way worse than what Xbox 360 and PS3 owners experienced. I don't recall stuff like Arcade Zone, Calvin Tucker's Redneck Jamboree, Chuck E Cheese Party Games, Family Party, etc showing up on Sony and Microsoft's systems.

As for the wiimote, I thought it was cool when I first got the system but eventually found myself wishing I had a "normal" input method instead of being forced to waggle around. It worked for some games, others would have been better off without it.

 

[Celine]

Thats pretty sad list of third party games, not even one third party game for wiiu has a metracritic of a 9, except for a ps2 port, the best retail games on there for are 007, street fighter vs , klonia and okami. In generation where thirdparty games were huge, thats a very sad list.

Metacritic is not how I value games.

 

[redcrayon]

I just wish the Wii remote was optional and not forced into every game.

It wasn't forced into every game. I spent hundreds of hours playing games with a classic controller.

 

[StevieP]

Thats pretty sad list of third party games, not even one third party game for wiiu has a metracritic of a 9, except for a ps2 port, the best retail games on there for are 007, street fighter vs , klonia and okami.

Metacritic only matters to ninjablade when discussing successful Nintendo consoles

I don't recall stuff like Arcade Zone, Calvin Tucker's Redneck Jamboree, Chuck E Cheese Party Games, Family Party, etc showing up on Sony and Microsoft's systems.

Were you alive during the successful tenure of the PS1 or the PS2? I guess not.
You should take a look at the store shelves of the most successful systems. That's usually what happens.

Except for PS4, because it only caters to young adolescent males and likely won't expand the market (where mobile and PC are currently doing that lifting).

 

[greg400]

Thats pretty sad list of third party games, not even one third party game for wiiu has a metracritic of a 9, except for a ps2 port, the best retail games on there for are 007, street fighter vs , klonia and okami. In generation where thirdparty games were huge, thats a very sad list.

So everything below a 9 on Metacritic isn't worth playing? Pathetic mentality.

 

[Quadraphonic]

GameCube is currently getting fellated by a ton of people because of the classic two gens ago nostalgia.

As history goes on Wii will be Nintendo's second best home console right after SNES.

Spoiler

Unless the NX is god-tier status.

You're insane.
SSBM is played more than Brawl. Always has. Always will be.

 

[Gucci Messiah]

I've provided no facts?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=396775

Whether those third party games appeal to or not is totally irrelevant which is the point I'm making and have been making. You can kick, scream and whine like a baby that you don't like those games but that doesn't change the fact that the mass majority of people consider them to be quality enough to recommend. You can't acknowledge that for some absolutely baffling reason. It's as if you want to live in a bubble where history is rewritten from your heavily distorted console wars 'third party on wii was nothing but shit and shovelware'.

That's a sad list of 3rd party games and like I told you already, most of them don't appeal to me. So no, you're not presenting facts because this is a matter of opinions which I've tried to explain to you plenty of times already. I'm not arguing that the Wii didn't get 3rd party games in the literal sense, I'm saying the majority that came out were of poor quality.

And you need to stop the personal insults (kicking and screaming like a baby? Lol) or step away from the keyboard because it's clear that you're the one getting upset.

Were you alive during the successful tenure of the PS1 or the PS2? I guess not.
You should take a look at the store shelves of the most successful systems. That's usually what happens.

Except for PS4, because it only caters to young adolescent males and likely won't expand the market (where mobile and PC are currently doing that lifting).

Yes, I was. Of course successful systems get a flood of crappy games but do you know what the differences between Wii and PS2 is? The PS2 had a consistent flow of excellent third party games that the Wii can't even touch. Grand Theft Auto series, Resident Evil 4, Metal Gear Solid 3, Timesplitters, Viewtiful Joe, Guitar Hero, Virtua Fighter, Tekken, Katamari Damacy, Beyond Good and Evil, Final Fantasy series, Persona series, Shin Megami Tensei series, Devil May Cry...I could go on. Can the Wii touch this? Absolutely not, the quality on average was way worse.

 

[ninjablade]

So everything below a 9 on Metacritic isn't worth playing? Pathetic mentality.

I didnt say its how i value games, but the wii doesnt even have a single thirdparty game with a 9, i even named the retail games that look interesting to me, and none were a 9 on metracritic, except for okami.

 

[TheyTookOurJobs]

Great console. The Gun games (Umbrella Chronicles + Sequel, Ghost Squad, HotD2+3). Nice to play all the Mario Parties from 3-9 on it too.

 

[wild wild rice]

Eh, definitely my least favorite Nintendo console. In terms of first party console stuff: too much casual focus, not a single new character IP, Skyward Sword is the worst Zelda, worst Mario Kart, birthed the abomination of NSMB, worst Metroid, worst Smash, etc.

On the bright side, Retro's two games, Sin & Punishment and the Galaxies are absolutely brilliant and some of the best games ever made. And there were plenty of decent mid-tier games like Deadly Creatures and Kirby's Epic Yarn.

But yeah, my least favorite Nintendo console for sure.

 

[Steveo]

I've owned every major console since the late 80s, and the Wii is my least favorite console.

 

[Mael]

....No

PS3 and 360 launched with tech that was at least comparable to PC and pushed consoles into an entirely new era. We had wifi, high definition output, new disc formats, etc. The Wii was a glorified Gamecube with a unique input method, that is why it is and was considered underpowered. Due to the Wii being gimped developers couldn't really port games meant for the HD twins over without making huge concessions and eventually they just stopped trying all together opting to release inferior spin-offs or nothing at all.

Wii had wifi out the box, something MSFT made people pay a premium.
disc format is the same across Wii and 360.
On top of that HDMI wasn't even provided out the box on most console anyway.
The point of Wii was to AVOID making ports of shitty 3rd party games.
That's a feature not a bug.
And going by your list of musthave features for last gen, 360 was a shitty underpowered gimmick pushing console.
Keep your argument straights at least.

That's a sad list of 3rd party games and like I told you already, most of them don't appeal to me.

We get it, you hate these games, that doesn't make them shit.
No one is trying to sell you a Wii anyway.

I didnt say its how i value games, but the wii doesnt even have a single thirdparty game with a 9, i even named the retail games that look interesting to me, and none were a 9 on metracritic, except for okami.

Considering the view of the critics on anything Wii, I wouldn't put much behind the views of crappy reviewers.

 

[LegendofLex]

I don't recall stuff like Arcade Zone, Calvin Tucker's Redneck Jamboree, Chuck E Cheese Party Games, Family Party, etc showing up on Sony and Microsoft's systems.

Yeah, that's because all that stuff jumped ship from PS2 to Wii as soon as it was clear Wii was going to be the market winner.

You definitely got Barbie Horse Adventures, Family Game Night, and Trivial Pursuit on PS2, and you still got Cars Race-O-Rama, Family Feud, Scene It!, and the annual Cabela's Big Game Hunters for awhile on Xbox 360.

Now this stuff exists on mobile where they can easily make money off advertising without having to ship anything.

You're insane.
SSBM is played more than Brawl. Always has. Always will be.

Sorry, but Brawl is still the best-selling single SKU Smash game, and it isn't even close.

 

[greg400]

That's a sad list of 3rd party games and like I told you already, most of them don't appeal to me. So no, you're not presenting facts because this is a matter of opinions which I've tried to explain to you plenty of times already. I'm not arguing that the Wii didn't get 3rd party games in the literal sense, I'm saying the majority that came out were of poor quality.

And you need to stop the personal insults (kicking and screaming like a baby? Lol) or step away from the keyboard because it's clear that you're the one getting upset.

Yes, the Wii had more games releasing for it then the GCN or Wii U but the quality was dreadful for the most part. Wii was a cultural phenomenon so everyone and their mother rushed out games to make a quick buck off of the booming casual crowd but the vast majority of these were mediocre at best and terrible at worst. I'm not saying that the Wii had no third party support in the literal sense, I'm saying the quality was generally way worse than what Xbox 360 and PS3 owners experienced. I don't recall stuff like Arcade Zone, Calvin Tucker's Redneck Jamboree, Chuck E Cheese Party Games, Family Party, etc showing up on Sony and Microsoft's systems.

As for the wiimote, I thought it was cool when I first got the system but eventually found myself wishing I had a "normal" input method instead of being forced to waggle around. It worked for some games, others would have been better off without it.

LOOOOOL, anyone who actually believes that the 360 and PS3 didn't have a lot of bad third party games is absolutely delusional and it shows how distorted your viewpoint truly is.

 

[redcrayon]

I'm not saying that the Wii had no third party support in the literal sense, I'm saying the quality was generally way worse than what Xbox 360 and PS3 owners experienced. I don't recall stuff like Arcade Zone, Calvin Tucker's Redneck Jamboree, Chuck E Cheese Party Games, Family Party, etc showing up on Sony and Microsoft's systems. .

The PSOne and PS2 were infested with similar shovelware and licensed games just like every high-selling console before them. Shovelware always flocked to the market leader, the only thing that has slowed it down is increased cost of games development and FTP games appealing to the market that wants it.

 

[chadderbox77]

Best nintendo console I've ever owned, and I've owned most of them since the NES. At one point we had 3 in the house! Down to two now, the one in the living room got replaced by a Wii U. The family has had the most fun with the Wii. When my daughter's friends come over, they still love to play it. They are 11 though =). Soooo many great games. With homebrew, it's perfect.

 

[Mael]

Best nintendo console I've ever owned, and I've owned most of them since the NES. At one point we had 3 in the house! Down to two now, the one in the living room got replaced by a Wii U. The family has had the most fun with the Wii. When my daughter's friends come over, they still love to play it. They are 11 though =). Soooo many great games. With homebrew, it's perfect.

I never could bother with homebrew, I mean the EU got most of the interesting Wii games anyway so I didn't give a shit about regionlock anyway.
Outside of nodisc mode what does homebrew do to the Wii?

 

[GamerJM]

Great console. Second favorite non-handheld from Nintendo, behind the SNES.

 

[ForsakenLotus]

The point of Wii was to AVOID making ports of shitty 3rd party games.
That's a feature not a bug.

The PS3 had Blu-ray, HDMI, and WiFi support Day 1. But...I'm not even sure what you mean by the bolded. Care to explain?

 

[Gucci Messiah]

LOOOOOL, anyone who actually believes that the 360 and PS3 didn't have a lot of bad third party games is absolutely delusional and it shows how distorted your viewpoint truly is.

Where did I say that the PS3 and 360 didn't have any bad third party games? I argued that the quality was infinitely better.

The PSOne and PS2 were infested with similar shovelware and licensed games just like every high-selling console before them. Shovelware always flocked to the market leader, the only thing that has slowed it down is increased cost of games development and FTP games appealing to the market that wants it.

You may not have caught this since I just posted it as an edit:

Yes, I was. Of course successful systems get a flood of crappy games but do you know what the differences between Wii and PS2 is? The PS2 had a consistent flow of excellent third party games that the Wii can't even touch. Grand Theft Auto series, Resident Evil 4, Metal Gear Solid 3, Timesplitters, Viewtiful Joe, Guitar Hero, Virtua Fighter, Tekken, Katamari Damacy, Beyond Good and Evil, Final Fantasy series, Persona series, Shin Megami Tensei series, Devil May Cry...I could go on. Can the Wii touch this? Absolutely not, the quality on average was way worse.

Basically, the PS2 had much better quality when it came to 3rd party support.