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[Coreda]

For a while now GIFs have been increasing in size mostly thanks to Imgur's video conversion feature and seemingly unlimited filesize limit. There have been 25-50MB GIFs seen posted here and there on GAF, but more recently we've seen 93MB and 170MB GIFs. How is this still a thing while embedded WebMs/Mp4 continue to lack forum support?

Even Evilore edited one of the larger ones to become a link. It's a little ridiculous at this point.

 

[Syriel]

People are dumb and don't understand video.

 

[Joyful]

I just filter gifs on neogaf
on mobile you can turn them off in preferences

 

[FZZ]

Once the mods are done integrating webm into gaf posts we will truly relish the future of the internet.

Once the mods are done...

 

[Joyful]

Once the mods are done integrating webm into gaf posts we will truly relish the future of the internet.

Once the mods are done...

its would probably take 20 seconds to add the bbcode needed
thats a lot of effort breh, cant expect miracles here

 

[OminoMichelin]

Goddammit, Uber.

 

[Five]

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/webm-for-neogaf/gcjkaaggachnbhepejjhfacpldjflffl?hl=en-US

WebM is life.

 

[ponpo]

Going to embed the entire LotR trilogy as a gif one day.

 

[Aiii]

its would probably take 20 seconds to add the bbcode needed
thats a lot of effort breh, cant expect miracles here

[webm]{URL}.webm[/webm]

<div class="responsive-container"><video src="{URL}.webm" autoplay loop controls muted style="max-width: 590px; max-height: 500px;"></video></div>

Or whatever.

 

[Coreda]

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/webm-for-neogaf/gcjkaaggachnbhepejjhfacpldjflffl?hl=en-US

WebM is life.

Truth. Without native support posters though will continue to use GIFs. It doesn't really solve the problem when only a small percentage use the script/addon.

 

[soco]

but but but internet explorer and safari!!

 

[Popstar]

Here's some help for stuff hosted by gfycat (if you're using Chrome)
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/neogfy/chdcldnkcjgoogmnidgcpmdkdaopepgf

Turns GIF img tags from gfycat into video embeds.
When browsing Neogaf it is common to encounter large ( >3MB) GIF images hosted by gfycat.com embedded in posts. This extension saves bandwidth by intercepting the HTTP requests for such images and stopping them from being downloaded. It replaces them with the .mp4 video that gfycat creates from uploaded GIFs.

 

[FyreWulff]

Because for some reason people still insist on using an ancient file format intended to save CompuServ money on bandwidth in an era where hard drives were counted in megabytes that can't even show the full color spectrum that the Sega Genesis could output per frame and can't even show 60fps.

The continued use of GIF should be mocked like when someone tries to embed a BMP into their post.

 

[LeleSocho]

WebP where are you ;___;

 

[PaulloDEC]

I'm a huge fan of GIFs, but they're clearly best suited to clips that are over in a few seconds. If you're trying to cram more than five seconds of full-motion video into a GIF, just make a web-m instead and spare us all the painful loading process.

 

[Mr Swine]

Webm doesn't work with Safari yet does it?

 

[Iriscomeback]

Ok now I'm curious what gif out there is the biggest..

 

[Tizoc]

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/webm-for-neogaf/gcjkaaggachnbhepejjhfacpldjflffl?hl=en-US

WebM is life.

This.
Webm's can reduce a GIF's size by 90% and still keep the same quality.

 

[Fliesen]

Webm doesn't work with Safari yet does it?

not natively, but VLC plugin + ytma! work fine

 

[Coreda]

Webm doesn't work with Safari yet does it?

but but but internet explorer and safari!!

Mp4 is compatible across all platforms, hence the 'WebM/Mp4' suggestion. Twitter uses Mp4 for gifs, as does Imgur with .gifv, and GfyCat. So already it's being used extensively.

 

[Guess Who]

not natively, but VLC plugin + ytma! work fine

Not on mobile.

 

[ElTorro]

There is no reason not to use h264 videos over WebM. That codec is much better supported and has hardware decoder support in virtually every newer device. Imgur does so with their gifv format, and any website can support h264 videos to replaces gifs by allowing them to be embedded as muted, looped HTML5 videos.

 

[Rootbeer]

the addons are great help but until gaf has native webm embedding it's just not going to catch on in a widespread way.

if 4chan can embrace webm so unanimously I don't see why gaf can't. It's the future!

so, so much better than gifs.

but I do think the imgur video format is a good compromise.

The continued use of GIF should be mocked like when someone tries to embed a BMP into their post.

I wish this were a thing.

 

[soco]

Mp4 is compatible across all platforms, hence the 'WebM/Mp4' suggestion. Twitter uses Mp4 for gifs, as does Imgur with .gifv, and GfyCat. So already it's being used extensively.

Yeah, I was replying to just the webm stuff.

It's doable, but requires more processing resources if people aren't using some of the sites that support it. A big part of that is tool support and people knowing how to produce reasonably sized videos (or not caring). I worked at a huge company a while back and would always get these 300MB two minute videos. i didn't have a license and the free tools i tried to use would produce janky videos in a lot of standard configurations.

 

[Hesemonni]

Goddammit, Uber.

I hate that dog in pic threads :/

 

[Omni]

It happens a lot in the Destiny Community thread for some reason. First I just added anyone who posted them to my ignore list but that was just annoying. At this point I don't even bother reading the thread any more.

No one seems to realise what they're doing.

 

[Coreda]

A big part of that is tool support and people knowing how to produce reasonably sized videos (or not caring). I worked at a huge company a while back and would always get these 300MB two minute videos. i didn't have a license and the free tools i tried to use would produce janky videos in a lot of standard configurations.

Benefit of embedded clips is they can be set to not autoload, and are far more optimized in general since most of the time clips are copypasted from existing sources or coming from decently compressed h.264 recordings. Someone can post a gif for example and at the same dimensions encoded with h.264 or VPx will be a fraction of the size even at the default settings of common conversion tools.

Since all WebM/Mp4 hosts have an upload limit, and most limit the max duration, sizes are kept reasonable, and importantly optional to view when browsing since autoplay would be disabled. Imgur is where most of these large gifs are coming from anyway (since no other host is silly enough to support such large gifs), and all clips hosted there already have Mp4 equivalents.

 

[soco]

Benefit of embedded clips is they can be set to not autoload, and are far more optimized in general since most of the time clips are copypasted from existing sources or coming from decently compressed h.264 recordings. Someone can post a gif for example and at the same dimensions encoded with h.264 or VPx will be a fraction of the size even at the default settings of common conversion tools.

Since all WebM/Mp4 hosts have an upload limit, and most limit the max duration, sizes are kept reasonable, and importantly optional to view when browsing since autoplay would be disabled. Imgur is where most of these large gifs are coming from anyway (since no other host is silly enough to support such large gifs), and all clips hosted there already have Mp4 equivalents.

i'm all on board for a gif replacement, but i you're glossing over some details in your optimism. people won't obey the default configurations and sizes, and you can always find sites that don't have limits.

more importantly, there's the entire issue of sound. gifs are great because they're auto-load and soundless. once you allow embedding of video, you'll need at least some javascript player to do like Twitter does with the optional unmute. Sure, there's a ton of JS players that do this already, and it's not hard, but it's work or money.

 

[Mindwipe]

There's something to be said for a moving image format that

a) never has sound ever, so you can set it to autorun when you wouldn't want all videos to do that.
b) works on all browsers (the lack of meaningful Safari support for WebM kills it dead)
c) doesn't have playback controls obscuring it

It would be nice if browser manufacturers would co-operate and produce a file spec that was essentially fully downloading http delivered Web-Ms with no sound support and cross browser agreement to only put playback controls outside of the video frame, with a different extension to mark it as fulfilling those criteria

But there's zero chance of a W3C agreement on speccing such a thing right now, and until there is it's not going to get any better.

 

[CSJ]

I'm with you, I'm also seeing an increasing trend of people posting overly long gifs where a video is a much better place to put it - especially with no tracking control and often skips out the parts at the end because size limits.

This is within the last 2 months or so, I've never seen it so bad.

 

[Jimrpg]

so that's what's killing my 3G data.

I have 1Gb each month before it gets capped and it only takes a couple of days. I was thinking it was my podcasts but its probably GIFs too...

 

[cartoon_soldier]

Why doesn't GAF support gifv?

 

[Princess Viola]

I've always been of the view that if a gif is over 10-15 megs or so, then it'd be better suited as a webm or gifv or whatever

 

[Coreda]

i'm all on board for a gif replacement, but i you're glossing over some details in your optimism. people won't obey the default configurations and sizes, and you can always find sites that don't have limits.

more importantly, there's the entire issue of sound. gifs are great because they're auto-load and soundless. once you allow embedding of video, you'll need at least some javascript player to do like Twitter does with the optional unmute. Sure, there's a ton of JS players that do this already, and it's not hard, but it's work or money.

1) They would all be optional to load, it's one of the main benefits. No user is then forced to encounter a page with stupidly large clips. Any embedded video support can set autoplay to be disabled (the current userscripts/addons already do this and are dead simple code). With it disabled only a static frame is loaded.

2) GAF has already seen the filesizes of user posted WebMs (and some Mp4s) for more than a year now. We know currently the difference in size of both of original content and copypasted clips, and of those Imgur/GfyCat provides with their h.264 encoded versions, not to mention the countless other sites that use it today. It's not a hypothetical at this point.

3) Sound can also be muted by default, as the existing userscripts/addons have demonstrated.

 

[Meowster]

Honesty, as someone who makes gifs, there is no reason for a gif to be over 20MB. Crop to a smaller size, usually about 350 width, sharpen if needed, and voila.

 

[DiipuSurotu]

How is this still a thing while embedded WebMs/Mp4 continue to lack forum support?

??

The answer is in the question.

 

[Cosmo Clock 21]

I just filter gifs on neogaf
on mobile you can turn them off in preferences

Doesn't matter, they still get hotlinked anyways. Even made a thread about it earlier this month.
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1134563

 

[MUnited83]

Here's some help for stuff hosted by gfycat (if you're using Chrome)
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/neogfy/chdcldnkcjgoogmnidgcpmdkdaopepgf

Is there something like this for imgur hosted GIFs? They convert all the GIFs to their vídeo format as well, and its as simple as putting a "v" after "gif"

 

[Piers]

Trailers? Audio? What are you, in your mid 20s+?
It's all about gifs.

 

[Mindwipe]

Also worth noting that free/very cheap editing tools for GIFs are way ahead of frame level video editing tools.

 

[Gattsu25]

To soco's valid points,

Gyfcat and Imgur only allow muted mp4s and have limits on the upper file sizes of their MP4s, right?

Would limiting MP4 hosts to those domains help?

 

[Coreda]

?? The answer is in the question.

Replace 'a thing' with 'acceptable'. It was a more friendly way of asking why such large GIFs get a free pass while embedded clip support has been put on the backburner.

Trailers? Audio? What are you, in your mid 20s+?
It's all about gifs.

Explain how a video converted by Imgur/GfyCat into a 20-200MB GIF is somehow superior. It's not. The WebM version of that 170MB gif in the OP is 12.8MB and features no audio like the rest of gifvs. As it is all large gifs posted on GAF are merely video clips converted to display on the forum due to the limitations.

Also worth noting that free/very cheap editing tools for GIFs are way ahead of frame level video editing tools.

Small gifs are perfectly fine and serve a purpose, mostly having more care taken to create them. They're not going away. This is specifically about the trend on GAF and elsewhere to post video clips converted to bloated, gigantic GIFs when the video equivalent is available but currently not supported to be embedded by the site.

 

[giga]

imgur/gfycat support for gifv would be great.

 

[Somnid]

I made a gifv embed extension a while ago: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/neogaf-gifv/hddjdojoignihijmebpdgpadefnejmcl

I think it still works with imgur though I haven't looked at it in a while.

 

[Vashetti]

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/webm-for-neogaf/gcjkaaggachnbhepejjhfacpldjflffl?hl=en-US

WebM is life.

I made a gifv embed extension a while ago: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/neogaf-gifv/hddjdojoignihijmebpdgpadefnejmcl

I think it still works with imgur though I haven't looked at it in a while.

Safari version when?

 

[BGBW]

There's a special place in hell for those who post gifs that are over 5MB.

EDIT: And that's me being generous. Usually I'd say 3MB.

 

[Gattsu25]

There's a special place in hell for those who post gifs that are over 5MB.

EDIT: And that's me being generous. Usually I'd say 3MB.

Nah, 5mb is nothing.

As someone who has posted 12MB gifs, I need to believe this.

 

[plainr_]

Some people need to calm down with their 20MB+ gifs. Jesus.

There's a special place in hell for those who post gifs that are over 5MB.

EDIT: And that's me being generous. Usually I'd say 3MB.

Majority of my gifs hover around 5MB. Very rarely do I make some approaching 10MB.

 

[eot]

Fuck WebMs they don't work on my old ass computers

 

[BGBW]

Nah, 5mb is nothing.

As someone who has posted 12MB gifs, I need to believe this.

Then it's time to learn about reducing colour depth, cutting out redundant frames, pixel disposing and, one of the easiest things, reducing the image size. Lots of options to keep the file size down.