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Final Fantasy 7 Remake: Chunk 1 (CyberConnect2, UE4) Trailer, "PS4 Console Debut"

I'd hardly even call FFIV DS & DQIV-VII remakes. They are just 3Dfications of the originals while otherwise being pretty much the exact same games. Remakes aren't & shouldn't be limited to just "upgrade visuals, keep everything else exactly the same not to piss off change-resistant fans"

"change resistant"

the game has changed genre, lol

It is effectively a different game with the same story.
 

raven777

Member
I am struggling to understand how anyone could think Dissidia design looks better than this.

Its far,far too pretty and lacks any of the details that you can see in the awesome remake interpretation.

This is not a soldier who's been through hell and back..Works for a game like dissidia,but not for the proper remake.

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those tiny wiki pics..


Anyways, this is the final version of Cloud in Dissidia
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I don't know of any. Most remakes that I can think of don't change genres like this.
Yeah, that's why I'm thinking it's unfair to say that successful remakes HAVE to stick closely to the original. We haven't seen anything like this before.
Well a question would also be have there been much remake that have to update as much as this game.
They going to have to change everything about it even if the combat system was the same .
That's a good point tbh.
 

Plywood

NeoGAF's smiling token!
lol @ asshurt purists
And im not even talking about this thread or neogaf
I was just on some FF7 forums and it was waaaayyyy worse than here.
"The game lost it's soul."
"Dumbed down for new audiences"
"Looks like Cloud is whiny again"
"Barret looks like Mr. T" (lol)

hahahahahahahahahahahahah
I can't wrap my head around the comments about Cloud's characterization, he barely said anything and when he did he was his OLD SELF and all of his mannerisms don't seem mopey.
 
I love how they preserved the little flip he does off the train. That's some great attention to detail.

There's actually a surprising amount of overlap between the original and the remake despite everyone's grievances.

It's more faithful than many realize combat withstanding.

And even then I think the combat will surprise people when we get more details.
 

sappyday

Member
Nomura was wearing Roen today.Its the brand that designed the main outfits in FFVersusXV.

The skullbrand is hard to make out in the crappy pic but it was clear in the stream that it is.



VERSUS LIVES DESPITE WHAT THE UPPER MANAGEMENT AT SE THINKS!!!!!

Roen is still part of FFXV. Roen is actually the worst part of Versus/XV.
 

Turin

Banned
I am struggling to understand how anyone could think Dissidia design looks better than this.

Its far,far too pretty and lacks any of the details that you can see in the awesome remake interpretation.

This is not a soldier who's been through hell and back..Works for a game like dissidia,but not for the proper remake.

I do like his overall look in the new trailer. Exhibits the ferocity he lacked in Advent Children and in Dissidia.

Physically, he could be slightly thicker but I think Nomura likes to go for the Bruce Lee look.
 

GSG Flash

Nobody ruins my family vacation but me...and maybe the boy!
what is with everyones hatred for action rpgs?
did Action RPGs kill your parents or something?

Did anyone here say they hate action RPGs?

FF7 was a turn based RPG, this "remake"(actually more of a reboot from the look of things) is an action RPG.

I mean it would be similar to Nintendo remaking OoT into a turn based RPG or Konami remaking MGS into a GoW style cover based shooter.
 
Woah, cool. Like where they're going with the combat.

I do wonder if that's actually ingame or if it's just a gameplay mockup. I'm leaning towards the latter.
Judging by the framerate, I'd say the former.

Also, lol @ people getting so worked up over the combat system. You literally could not see enough to even tell exactly what kind of system it is. It's definitely not pure action like 15 though, the HUD makes that clear.
 
I can't wrap my head around the comments about Cloud's characterization, he barely said anything and when he did he was his OLD SELF.

Cloud's English VA has always sounded like that (unfortunately) and Barrett always looked like Mr. T. Some selective memory on the part of those zealous fans there.
 

Morrigan Stark

Arrogant Smirk
Loving the salt from the old superfans.

"NO, I DON'T WANT DIFFERENCES FOR A REIMAGINING. JUST KEEP GIVING ME THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN"
That's a load of shite and you know it.

"who wants a remake to be the same gameplay?! play the original!"

most acclaimed, successful remakes:

Resident Evil

Metroid: Zero Mission

Final Fantasy 4 DS

Dragon Quest 4, 5, 6, 7

*none of which dramatically changed the gameplay *
Bingo.
 

Tomeru

Member
My most beloved game ever, played the original 7777 times, and will again. Can't fucking wait to play it differently! Looks ace!
 

P44

Member
Definitely glad that it's action based rather than turn based, tbh I probably would have stopped caring if they showed it was turn based.

Not saying that I don't enjoy turn based at all, but Action is pretty much what SE (and Nomura games in particular) excel at over pretty much every other ARPG in the industry (not straight up action games like DMC or Platinum games though). Whereas there's pretty much always been better and more interesting turn based combat from other companies, and even themselves from series besides FF.

Also this already looks like what Nomura wanted Versus/XV to be originally, so I already have more faith in this than what XV is coming out as now.


I mean when it comes to killing trash enemies, ARPG is just so much more enjoyable. Turn based is far too slow when the fight lacks strategy, and the majority of fights don't need strategy and I've been playing since the early FFs.
 
I can't wrap my head around the comments about Cloud's characterization, he barely said anything and when he did he was his OLD SELF and all of his mannerisms don't seem mopey.

Honestly, on the few times I've tried starting up FF7 again I could very easily imagine them leaving the dialogue alone but still voicing it in a way that makes people complain about hims being a mopey fuck, so that's a complaint that won't go away.
 

Jeels

Member
Maybe it's because I was watching it on the huge projecter screen at psx but while the cutscene (cg?) footage looked great (it was so cool seeing all those characters again!), I thought the gameplay looked crappy...and kind of janky. understand its a work in progress so I'm sure they'll clean it up. Im also upset it doesn't appear to be turn based. I'm cool with modernizing but I wanted it turn based...
 
I don't know what the fuck you guys are going on about with the Smash/Dissidia/Remake design comparisons. They all look like good ol' Cloud to me.

*shrug*
 

TheOfficeMut

Unconfirmed Member
This isn't a middle ground approach. A middle ground approach would be something like X-2 with attack interruptions, or Grandia/Chrono Trigger with mild positioning aspects.

There are ways to advance the combat without abandoning the genre. The best remake of all time, Resident Evil kept the core gameplay while simultaneously polishing it up and making it acceptable for a newer audience. This isn't doing that, it's throwing the core gameplay out and opting for something new.

I'd argue that its "core" gameplay is still intact, because regardless of whether it's ATB or turn-based, it's still heavily an RPG. You just have to be more attentive now and won't be standing in one place.

And Resident Evil didn't come out two decades after the original. But if it did, I would have argued that the way in which a remake is shaped is up to the developer and doesn't necessarily have to keep its combat exactly the same. Given the quality of what we've seen so far, if you're really a fan of FFVII, then you'd appreciate what they're doing.
 
I'd hardly even call FFIV DS & DQIV-VII remakes. They are just 3Dfications of the originals while otherwise being pretty much the exact same games. Remakes aren't & shouldn't be limited to just "upgrade visuals, keep everything else exactly the same not to piss off change-resistant fans"

FFIV, DQIV-VII are not the same exact games. They have a lot more features.
 

Giever

Member
being able to directly control your character makes it incredibly different on a core mechanics level.

1) Combat isn't all the game is.

2) Do we know that it isn't just some overly elaborate weird ATB-like system? Is it confirmed that you have direct control over character movement in combat?
 

J Range

Member
Anybody else get some serious wesley snipes blade vibes from barrett? I love his design. Love how the game looks to feel.
 

HeelPower

Member
Roen is still part of FFXV. Roen is actually the worst part of Versus/XV.

Well yeah..I wrote VersusXV.

And I disagree that Roen is the worst thing about it.I quite like the designs ,but that's not the time for this age old discussion.lol

And I disagree on that ,but that's not the time for this age old discussion.
I do like his overall look in the new trailer. Exhibits the ferocity he lacked in Advent Children and in Dissidia.

Physically, he could be slightly thicker but I think Nomura likes to go for the Bruce Lee look.

Yeah pretty much agree.

Though I like that stayed true to him not being too huge physically.
 

EpicBox

Member
I will pre-order the deluxe steelbook collector's edition that comes with a 12-inch Sephiroth dildo.

I hate turn-based combat and I love the direction this is taking. I mean, I would have bought the game even if they'd kept it turn based, but I'm even happier with this. Can't wait to experience this story and not have to pretend in my head that the battles are more epic than what's actually happening.
 

Yoshichan

And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Guard Scorpion FFVII
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